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I read through a bit of the first one when it came out, and didn't like it. I hate that sort of fiction.
Still, at least it is reading; something which more people should be doing these days.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #318824 is a reply to message #318722] |
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| cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 |
| Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 |
this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded.
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If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you.
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Uh hu... I think Islam inspired more huge empires than Christianity (not saying that Islam is better).
Has anyone read the book Mists of Avalon? Great book unless you're very, very Christian.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #318874 is a reply to message #318536] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 08:14 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 |
| Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 |
fucking christians are retarded as hell
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This is why I hate religion.
Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example.
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You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #318921 is a reply to message #318874] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 11:50 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 15:34 |
I find people to be very stupid and in large groups, they become even more stupid.
People on their own are smarter, so don't think am calling you all stupid.
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Awesome point you made, Iron. The current system that the world revolves under stifles the individual thought process from a very early age.
You go to kindergarten, 1st grade and then that's it...you are inside the system. If they teach you, then you know it. If they don't, then you don't know it. On top of this at the same time, the parents add in their share of shit at an early age (for example: religion).
By the time the person is entering the teen years, their brains have been fully programmed to think in one direction by the educational system they grew up in, society (and it's trends/norms), AND their parents. There are exceptions of course but these people are unfortunately a minority.
The result is you have a majority of people who are products of the current system...they are like drones. We got a lot of them in the world today simply playing their part in the chain.
They watch news from one channel and then feel like they are experts in world current events. They don't like history books because appraently it is "boring," and they see in black and white. If they close their eyes, then the whole world is dark for them.
And no, I am not generalizing because sadly the majority of the world's population is like that.
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| bisen11 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 09:14 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 |
| Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 |
fucking christians are retarded as hell
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This is why I hate religion.
Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example.
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You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself.
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He never acted as if "it's all religious people."
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #318925 is a reply to message #318773] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 12:15 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 21:31 |
| cnc95fan wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 04:37 |
| Rocko wrote on Sun, 24 February 2008 01:49 |
this discussion is not on whether harry potter is a good book, but about the fact that christians are all blind are possibly mildly retarded.
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If their retarded, why is it the biggest religion in the world? Also the religion that inspired huge emipres, mathematics and science. It's not really retarded, unlike you.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #318952 is a reply to message #318400] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 14:42 |
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I don't particularly care for Harry Potter; it's way below my reading level and I'm far more into Sci-Fi settings anyway.
There's a line, however, between not reading a book for a good reason (i.e. it doesn't interest you) and not reading it for a stupid, ignorant reason (i.e. the book is evil and people who read it also eat babies). Then there's another line beyond that, where personal preference becomes policy- and that line should never, ever be crossed.
I've run across crap like this before- more or less exactly like this; one of my teachers back in middle school forbade students from using Harry potter for book reports because of its references to 'witchcraft' and magic. It wasn't such a big deal for me, since I wasn't into the book, but the whole concept of being allowed to ban a book because you don't agree with its contents is dangerous and stupid. Furthermore, Harry Potter hardly presents a realistic view of anything- witchcraft, real life Wicca, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with brewing potions or flying on brooms. Nevertheless, you'll find that the same folks who'll say you can't read Harry Potter will also restrict access to books about alternate religions, which drives straight past banning a novel and straight into thought control.
You were absolutely right to be pissed off at your parents and teachers; what they did was wrong. You have a right to read whatever you desire, no matter how much others may disagree with it. Reading a book- any book, from the Bible to the Anarchist's Cookbook- does not violate the rights of any other human being.
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Mon, 25 February 2008 17:58 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 13:50 |
| bisen11 wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 09:14 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:51 |
| Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 |
fucking christians are retarded as hell
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This is why I hate religion.
Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example.
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You say that and yet you act as if it's all religious people. I don't see how you can say they're all terrible when you're using generalities yourself.
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He never acted as if "it's all religious people."
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When you say things like "Religious people..." and "everyone else..." it sure sounds like you're speaking for everyone in that group. He never said anything like "most" or "some" or "the extremists", not even "the loudest group within". So I'd say that counts as saying all.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #319025 is a reply to message #318536] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 20:08 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 00:51 |
| Rocko wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 01:02 |
fucking christians are retarded as hell
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This is why I hate religion.
Religious people act all superior like they own the world, and everyone else hates them for it. I quoted Rocko as an example.
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I don't get how you're bashing on Religious people specifically for this, since literally everyone tries to act supperior.
But on-topic, yeah, I agree you shouldn't do witch-craft since it is against Christianity, if you are a Christian, but that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be allowed to read fictional books about witch-craft.
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I think the point that many people miss is the fact that parents are only trying to look out for their children. Misguided? Sure. Closed-minded? Most likely. Wrong to do so? Not if they're truly being sincere.
It's the parents' job to help define their children's morals and beliefs. Of course, parents can go way wrong and indoctrinate their kids, but for the most part, the parents are only wanting to bring up their kids in a moral philosophy that they believe to be true. Personally, I wouldn't want to teach my kid any sense of moral relativism. I'm going to teach them a right and a wrong. I'd be a failure as a parent to tell my children to define their own morals and let society coach them. Once they get to a certain point, sure, I'm going to have to let them define their own morals, but until that point, I'm going to raise them as I see fit. It's something more parents need to be doing in America. Just not so much with the indoctrination.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #319033 is a reply to message #318400] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 |
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if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit.
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Mon, 25 February 2008 22:40 |
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The practice of telling your kid they can't do something isn't the problem; it's that doing so for no reason at all- or, worse, a reason grounded in ignorance- does far more harm than good. The problem is that people who never learned to think for themselves tend to pass their blind obedience along by force of will (or, in some cases, brute force). That people do this has nothing at all to do with Christianity or any other religion- it has to do with people raising children in such a way that will cause them to actually resent their upbringing and- in the worst case- all semblance of stable, normal behavior.
It is perfectly acceptable, even beneficial to pass one's own beliefs on to one's children. It gives those children a much-needed sense of stability and comfort until they can develop their own beliefs based on- here's the key- experience and knowledge. Experience and knowledge will be acquired one way or another, sooner or later, and the longer they are restricted the greater the shock to the system when they suddenly one day aren't.You can't keep a human being's head locked in a vise until they turn 18; I know not a single person whose parents did that who doesn't have serious emotional and psychological issues today. Not surprisingly, most of those same people have also strongly rejected their parents' beliefs and several of them are still trying to figure out where they really belong. In order to raise a happy, healthy, well adjusted person, you have to stop force-feeding them your own ideology at some point and let them come to their own conclusions- even if that means letting them dabble here and there with things you strongly dislike (so long as those things aren't illegal).
That doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to take your child to church or send them to Sunday school, but it does mean that you can't place restrictions on what they may or may not do for the sole purpose of preventing exposure to those things until you can no longer possibly do so and get away with it. All children become curious, and if you don't let them satisfy that curiosity then they will rebel. It's all a question of degree, and banning entirely fictional stories written purely for entertainment goes way too far.
Maybe I'm not the world's leading expert on good parenting, not being a parent myself, but I'll be damned if I can't speak from my own upbringing and my experience in learning how my friends and family were raised. I cannot think of a single example of a person, given an open-minded, understanding childhood (with reasonable discipline and a solid moral foundation of one sort or another), who wasn't far better off than someone forced along their parents' version of the straight and narrow until the day they left for college. I hope I remember that lesson if and when I ever do decide to start a family.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: F*ck you Harry Potter bashers... [message #319462 is a reply to message #319458] |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 20:26 |
The belief that the sun was in the center of the universe didn't have anything to do with Christianity, not that I know of. It was a general belief back then, like how we think that cheese is made of milk today.
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Your Bible reinforced those beliefs. And all this from a book that is claimed to be the inspired word of the all-knowing God (with capital G).
| warranto wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 13:17 |
| Rocko wrote on Mon, 25 February 2008 21:35 |
if people were not force-fed christianity from birth and didn't learn about it until their teen years or at least like until high school, I wonder if anyone would still be foolish enough to believe in that ridiculous shit.
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Quite interesting how a number of Atheists convert to a religion well after they become adults... some who are revered in many intellectual circles.
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Bertrand Russell from the "intellectual circles" said this:
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There is something feeble and contemptible about a person who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths and cherished illusions.
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 08:29 |
Who says that myths and illusions can't be the thoughts that we are the highest life form, leaving us to a false arrogance.
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Because our beliefs are NOT based in myths and illusions but in logic and objectivity?
Please don't make sensationalist false claims when you clearly have not made an effort to understand the philosophy behind Atheism. I thoroughly resent this false statement you made as it is the highest form of intellectual injustice that is targeted at Atheists and Agnostics today.
Yeah, because if we think we are the highest life forms, then we are automatically arrogant right?
FYI, the knowledge that we are the highest life form leads to humbleness and the highest level of responsibility as human beings rather than a feeling of arrogance as you falsely claim. Claims such as yours are the usual garbage thrown at Atheists by religious folks; the same self-righteous folks who claim the world is full of sinners in need of salvation (like as if there are no other problems to solve).
Also, I feel more responsible as an Agnostic than I ever was as a Christian. And I was a devout Christian at that. But I was indifferent; I saw the world as sinners and believers just as you do today. You can't go about solving the world's problems with that attitude. As an Agnostic, I see EVERONE as a human being and have a greater respect for human life, the world we live in, the environment that we must protect for future generations and the animal species that must be preserved. There is no place for "the earth is going to end" bull.
I feel disgusted when Bible thumpers get all excited and hyped up when Israel goes to war because apparently these are the "end-times."
| Originally Blue wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 16:46 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Wed, 27 February 2008 20:35 |
Your Bible reinforced those beliefs. And all this from a book that is claimed to be the inspired word of the all-knowing God (with capital G).
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You aren't using logic here. We're humans, we're wrong sometimes, but a mistake like that doesn't make EVERYTHING we say wrong...
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I never have not used logic.
Correct me if I am wrong but the Bible is supposed to the inspired word of God. As I understood, God came down to men in many forms (dreams, revelations, voice, visions) and that made men write down the books that you call the Bible. I know you never heard that because no Christian wants to go into what "inspired by God" really means. The men wrote down in their ignorance what they felt to be true at the time. NOBODY wants to talk more about the whole "God-inspired" issue.
Now unless the man (and men) were a bunch of total retards, why would they make repeated mistakes over and over again in several books spanning years apart of the Bible simply reflecting the limited knowledge of the then-prevailing understanding of the world?
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and please give me your sources on that. I've seen no where in the bible, or on the internet where God said that the world is flat.
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That's the problem. If God had said it, then the Bible would be correct no? But as explained above, men in their lack of knowlege and ignorance wrote the Bible.
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As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Ps 103:12
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And don't tell me these verses are not to be taken literally because I have other verses that would blow you away.
There are many many more verses that the Catholic Church in Europe upheld as the truth. And the only reason Christians don't believe this garbage from their own Bible today is because clearly the times have changed and scientific discoveries that you have learned in middle school are the accepted and dominant answers to ancient ignorance.
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