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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #320854 is a reply to message #320487] |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 22:27 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:03 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:54 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 14:02 |
Ok,
Maybe the universe is a explosion created by God.
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Who made God.
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Another explosion!
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What made that?
Other explosion!
Humans are dumb as fuck really, if we can't explain something, we say God did it. 
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Heh, unfortunately the fact people do this proves nothing about God, either for or against.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #320874 is a reply to message #320854] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 14:24 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 06 March 2008 14:01 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 22:27 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:03 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 23:54 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 14:02 |
Ok,
Maybe the universe is a explosion created by God.
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Who made God.
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Another explosion!
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What made that?
Other explosion!
Humans are dumb as fuck really, if we can't explain something, we say God did it.
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Heh, unfortunately the fact people do this proves nothing about God, either for or against.
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God is the easy answer for everything, it's there to explain all the good and bad points in life, it's there to guide us in life and give our lifes meaning, but it just falsh hope that takes faith.
But I'm agnostic, so am happy to believe there might be a God, but am happy to believe there isn't.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321116 is a reply to message #321115] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 20:47 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Fri, 07 March 2008 21:39 |
Oh, so because Christianity believes in a good thing, they MUST be wrong! Life has to be depressing, else it's wrong.
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No one said it is wrong. If I said it before, then I take it back. Also, just because you don't give much thought to a higher being DOES NOT mean you are living a depressing life. That's just a pretty irrational assumption.
I consider myself one very happy guy in love with life despite not being a Christian...there are so many things other than "God" that motivates me to live life for the good...for example: my woman. No drug or belief will match the power of love.
As for your "soul", LOL it is only your conscience. 
We only have an average of 80 years on this rock to fullfill our hopes and dreams. I am not going to waste that time dreaming about the next life. LOL...I think that is pretty retarded. It shows humans want MORE of everything instead of being content with what they have. Heavenly mansions and gold coins and heavenly riches FTL! 
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321118 is a reply to message #314167] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 21:00 |
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I definetly believe God exists in some form, but I don't quite think EVERY LITTLE THING that Christians usually believe are neccisarily right. I just know that there's a God, and probably some form of alternate afterlife if you wish to not be with God. Be it hell, or just plain void, I'm sure there's multiple planes of reality that we pass to after death.
It just seems to odd that our souls would simply dissapear.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!  
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321121 is a reply to message #321118] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 21:38 |
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The thing that people tend to forget are the thousands of religions that came before Christianity. What is religion? I believe it is a warm-cozy belief (with all due respect) to make life easier to live. If you take a history book and read from the earliest recorded history, you will see the many gods, and goddesses that people worshiped and felt good about. The Sun was worshipped for it's warmth and lifeforce.
Now, thousands and thousands of generations later, it has gradually evolved to the religions that we see today. And it will continue to evolve further.
Roman soldiers worshipped Minerva before going to battle...they believed she watched over them as they battled. Now, we know what gods modern soldiers worship, no?
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The "soul" concept is one of the most ignored and most overlooked.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Fri, 07 March 2008 22:00 |
It just seems to odd that our souls would simply dissapear.
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It is obvious that the soul is your conscience...the self-aware notion of your own self. I used to find it odd too but if you try to understand it carefully and think it through, you would gain a better understanding. You would realize that this "soul" is related to your brain growth and memory.
Where were our "souls" the minute after we were born? Nowhere! We can't even recall ourselves being alive. But as our brain developed and our body grew as the years went by, we gained this sense of conscience...that we are alive. This clearly shows that our conscience (called as the "soul" by some people) is DIRECTLY related to our physical body...i.e the development of the brain and other bodily functions.
So, having said that, it is perfectly rational to say that this conscience, our self-awarness, or "soul" ceases to exist after the brain stops to function at death.
I highly doubt a grown-ass spirit form of us would jump out of our physical bodies the moment we die and go on to the gates of heaven to be judged! That is simply irrational and needs to be proven? I will stop there.
In my educated opinion, just as we were "nothing" before we were conceived, death will reduce us to exactly that: nothing.
And people who feel that is a depressive view really need to find a good woman to love and be glad they are alive. 
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321124 is a reply to message #314167] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 23:10 |
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It's possible to have both a woman AND be a Christian, just so ya know.
I don't view Christianity as an "escape" from anything. I view more of the bigger pictures of things- That your soul will be transferred somewhere else, etc. Most likely another plane of existance, AKA Heaven or hell.
As for your example of being a baby and remembering nothing, well, yes, our brains were underdeveloped at that point, thus our ability to memorize things at that time was limited. Really, can you honestly say you remember what all you did 2 years ago this day? Probably not. We just plain don't remember these things because yeah, we don't remember everything. However, we usually retain our memories of larger events.
You can say that "Well what about things like amnesia and other such memory-related things?". Well, hasn't it been proven that somewhere within your mind, your memories remain?
Really, in a way, you remember everything- It's just that most of it isn't exactly reachable through just trying to remember. It's usually a sort of sub-concious sort of thing.
And yes, I do agree that your sense of being is your soul- Your conscience, if you will. But where did this "conscience" come from them? Many of our emotions that are explained through science are usually reactions- Not always the action that triggers it. I don't quite have 100% proof to back this up as I havn't delved too deep into the field of emotions and such through science, but yes.
I just find it too odd that we as humans all have this ability to hope and have and give emotions out of nowhere.
As for you saying we'll simply go into nothingness from where we came, I disagree. Where exactly we'll end up I can't say, no one really can actually know for sure. For all I know we'll end up in the same place- Truely good people and child molesters alike, but in a new world.
The reason why I believe this is that it's a little too odd that people have always had these beliefs of hope and an afterlife. If there was no creator to give us these beliefs by their own word, where would humanity have gotten this idea?
I'm probably going in circles at this point, but you get my point. Why would we have hope atall? Or really any of these emotions if there was no form of creator.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321174 is a reply to message #321124] |
Sat, 08 March 2008 11:19 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 00:10 |
It's possible to have both a woman AND be a Christian, just so ya know.
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Yes, I know but Blue makes it seem life is depressing without a religion.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 00:10 |
The reason why I believe this is that it's a little too odd that people have always had these beliefs of hope and an afterlife. If there was no creator to give us these beliefs by their own word, where would humanity have gotten this idea?
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Then in that case, it is most certainly NOT the Judeo-Christian "God" who "gave us these beliefs." The Judeo-Christian God is a jealous and bloodthirsty supernatural being who forbid the worship of other god or gods and threatened severe punishments for doing so:
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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 20:3-4
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It is absurd to suggest that this "God" ^ is the one who put these beliefs into us. I find it irrational and simply stupid and contradictory that the "God" who supposedly said these things took the longest route through history in his "plan" to reach the people...a plan that had thousands of generations of human beings worshipping the Sun, lightening, thunder and many other natural occurences and other gods. It's too simple to see where religion came from.
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As for the emotions, even animals have emotions. They have their own forms of courting and mating just as humans have.
Even the argument of intelligent design has it's severe flaws. Who made such a complex being like "God" who then proceeded on to make seemingly "complex" things?
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As for the whole memory and soul thing, please atleast understand what you are saying before saying it.
So you are saying that deep inside, I actually have the memory of me sucking milk from a tit-shaped bottle? I don't think so.
It is OLD Science news that in babies, the brain is simply too young to have these functions. The hippocampus, cerebral cortex, and the frontal cortex are simply not mature enough to glean, process, and retain memory and therefore no conscience exists. It is gained as the brain matures over the years and dies when the brain stops to function.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321187 is a reply to message #321185] |
Sat, 08 March 2008 12:58 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 14:28 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 12:19 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 08 March 2008 00:10 |
It's possible to have both a woman AND be a Christian, just so ya know.
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Yes, I know but Blue makes it seem life is depressing without a religion.
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I point out how depressing athiests make it look, and you blame me.
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Because you said so?
| Originally Blue wrote on Fri, 07 March 2008 21:39 |
Life has to be depressing, else it's wrong.
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We don't find it depressing. Your see it at that level of depressivness only because it pales when compared to your cherished beliefs.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321570 is a reply to message #314167] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 19:03 |
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I say this again.\/ \/
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 12:49 |
No, Starbuzz is anti Christian. I haven't seen him talk bad about anyone except Christians.
If you think that Christianity is a selfish religion, look at Buhddism. If you touch someone from a lower class than you, or help them, you are now impure. Therefore, you can't help anyone in a lower class. That religion is like a competition, where you are all for your self and want to get to nirvana. In that religion, you don't give a shit about anybody but your self. In Christianity, we try to do the exact opposite. You can help anyone you want and you won't go down "to a lower level", infact because you helped the person, if you spend your whole life helping people, you are more likely to become a better person. Now, it may sound selfish, because the religion is about you going to heaven, but that is why Christianity has rules. aka the ten commandments
But, you could say that those are the basic rules of life, and that is true, but they didn't know that back then, so God felt like he had to tell them. It may sound just like Buddism, but unlike it, Christianity actually encourages helping other people. I hate the way you bash on Christians without regard for other religions. If you don't like Christianity, just say that. Who cares if man is flawed and needs false hope. Me, i couldn't live without religion because, then I would feel that my life is worthless and there really is no point to living. Because I really don't think that humans should live just to die 80 years later. What is the point? That is why I belive that there is something up there after we die, just waiting for us. Scientists say that what makes us different from other beings is that we can reason. That may be so, but what if the real reason we are different from animals is that we have a code set down by us that says that we must do this, this, and this, and not this to go someplace better.
I don't know about you, but I'd like to think that there is someplace better than this sin ridden world. And that is why I believe in Christ. Even if it is a false hope, I'd rather think and hope that, than to know that there really is no point to me and my existance being here.
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Why I beleive.
@Chimp: My offer still stands. Find me a book or whatever that describes the old world more accurately than the bible, and I'll consider your arguments valid. Other wise, get the hell off these threads since you don't have any real proof that God doesn't exist and you consistantly say that we are idiots for believing. And stop changing your name, your as bad as WHOREQWEER. I'll start calling apeshit if you want.
@Starbuzz: You were a Christian, you know how we think because you thought the same way. So please stop the blatent bashing that you are now doing.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321576 is a reply to message #321570] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 20:23 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 20:03 |
I say this again.\/ \/
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 12:49 |
No, Starbuzz is anti Christian. I haven't seen him talk bad about anyone except Christians.
If you think that Christianity is a selfish religion, look at Buhddism. If you touch someone from a lower class than you, or help them, you are now impure. Therefore, you can't help anyone in a lower class. That religion is like a competition, where you are all for your self and want to get to nirvana. In that religion, you don't give a shit about anybody but your self. In Christianity, we try to do the exact opposite. You can help anyone you want and you won't go down "to a lower level", infact because you helped the person, if you spend your whole life helping people, you are more likely to become a better person. Now, it may sound selfish, because the religion is about you going to heaven, but that is why Christianity has rules. aka the ten commandments
But, you could say that those are the basic rules of life, and that is true, but they didn't know that back then, so God felt like he had to tell them. It may sound just like Buddism, but unlike it, Christianity actually encourages helping other people. I hate the way you bash on Christians without regard for other religions. If you don't like Christianity, just say that. Who cares if man is flawed and needs false hope. Me, i couldn't live without religion because, then I would feel that my life is worthless and there really is no point to living. Because I really don't think that humans should live just to die 80 years later. What is the point? That is why I belive that there is something up there after we die, just waiting for us. Scientists say that what makes us different from other beings is that we can reason. That may be so, but what if the real reason we are different from animals is that we have a code set down by us that says that we must do this, this, and this, and not this to go someplace better.
I don't know about you, but I'd like to think that there is someplace better than this sin ridden world. And that is why I believe in Christ. Even if it is a false hope, I'd rather think and hope that, than to know that there really is no point to me and my existance being here.
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Why I beleive.
@Chimp: My offer still stands. Find me a book or whatever that describes the old world more accurately than the bible, and I'll consider your arguments valid. Other wise, get the hell off these threads since you don't have any real proof that God doesn't exist and you consistantly say that we are idiots for believing. And stop changing your name, your as bad as WHOREQWEER. I'll start calling apeshit if you want.
@Starbuzz: You were a Christian, you know how we think because you thought the same way. So please stop the blatent bashing that you are now doing.
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Lol. Right- because I'm the idiot for not believing an old dusty book which has been changed innumerable times over the ages and has very little proof for its validity. Get the fuck off my internetz.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321668 is a reply to message #314167] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 10:19 |
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Heh, I have to admit I don't take these "attacks" on Christianity to be threatening in any way. Fun to argue, but ultimately uneventful.
I am Roman Catholic, and even I know that religion, at it's most basic form is simply a way of attempting to understand just what "God" is. Be it stated that we must worship out of fear, guidance, thankfulness or just to feel safe and secure within ourselves. There is nothing definitive that says my religion is the right one, or that any religion is the right one. It is but one way of attempting to understand something larger than ourselves.
However, with that being said, Religion and God have, in essence, absolutely nothing to do with each other. To prove religion wrong in no way affects the idea of there being a God, only that one way of understanding him was incorrect.
If you are going to attempt to prove that God doesn't exist, you won't do it by proving any sort of Religion to be wrong.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #321729 is a reply to message #321668] |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 12:19 |
Heh, I have to admit I don't take these "attacks" on Christianity to be threatening in any way. Fun to argue, but ultimately uneventful.
I am Roman Catholic, and even I know that religion, at it's most basic form is simply a way of attempting to understand just what "God" is. Be it stated that we must worship out of fear, guidance, thankfulness or just to feel safe and secure within ourselves. There is nothing definitive that says my religion is the right one, or that any religion is the right one. It is but one way of attempting to understand something larger than ourselves.
However, with that being said, Religion and God have, in essence, absolutely nothing to do with each other. To prove religion wrong in no way affects the idea of there being a God, only that one way of understanding him was incorrect.
If you are going to attempt to prove that God doesn't exist, you won't do it by proving any sort of Religion to be wrong.
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this is why i said fuck christianity, not fuck god, cus god is possible
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