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| Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 21 January 2008 22:53 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Mon, 21 January 2008 20:10 |
How does religion make obedience and discipline bad? It's similar, if not the same, as a parent telling a kid to don't scream or a monster will show up.
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It replaces the the common law of the land with a "god-given" law to promote divisivness and thus further conflicts and tension.
For example, to a Christian, the world is divided into believers and non-believers. And that those who do not accept Sir Jesus as their "personal Savior" are condemned to Hell. How pathetically selfish!
You call that law? It's nothing more than using fear to keep people in check.
Sure, it is fine with me if you and your kind choose to believe in something like that. It does keep a sort of raw peace (within yourselves) due to it crushing any type of invididual thought and exploration...but it divides humans accordingingly.
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You're going off topic, mate. Sure that part might be a flaw, but we're talking about how religion keeps people from murdering and stealing. The chance of hell scares me a lot more than a few days in jail.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #312967 is a reply to message #312951] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 18:00 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 17:46 |
You're going off topic, mate. Sure that part might be a flaw, but we're talking about how religion keeps people from murdering and stealing. The chance of hell scares me a lot more than a few days in jail.
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Not all religions keep people from murdering.
There are Christians who use their religion to control and supress the thoughts and feelings of others. This amounts to cruelty. There are millions of Christians in the world who believe sickness/diseases is the result of sin. What hypocrisy!
Of course, I expect most Christians here to start screaming "no generalizations" but whatever happened to collective responsibility?
Islam has enough clauses in it for it to intrepreted as an edict to go to war.
Christianity has enough clauses in it for it to be intrepreted so much that it is used as a means to control others.
Religion is not black and white. If it was, then there is a god.
For example, the same "God" who brought the flood to end violence on earth guides King David in many bloody battles granting him numerous victories.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #312991 is a reply to message #312222] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 20:03 |
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I agree with some points, but
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Islam has enough clauses in it for it to intrepreted as an edict to go to war.
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this is just a misconception. There have always been religious fanatics in every religion, period. Even atheist fanatics.
Religion doesn't kill people, people do.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313005 is a reply to message #312991] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 21:58 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 19:03]I agree with some points, but
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Islam has enough clauses in it for it to intrepreted as an edict to go to war.
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this is just a misconception.
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No, it's not. Read the Qu'ran and the Hadith.
The misconception is the belief that the Qu'ran ISN'T absolutely brimming with demands to kill and subjugate non-Muslims.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313006 is a reply to message #312222] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 22:12 |
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when in doubt ask the president...well Mr Bush?...they can make stem cells out of skin cells now?!...Veto!!!
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313057 is a reply to message #312993] |
Wed, 23 January 2008 04:42 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 21:20 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 19:00 |
There are Christians who use their religion to control and supress the thoughts and feelings of others. This amounts to cruelty. There are millions of Christians in the world who believe sickness/diseases is the result of sin. What hypocrisy!
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and where did you get this information from? Every member in my family is christian, and not one of them think that disease and sickness is a result of "sin."
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Typical defense I exactly expected.
Yes, because if your family is not doing it, then no one is doing it right? 
That's the best way to avoid the underlying argument because you ignore what millions of other Christians do after reading the same Bible you have.
It's the same with Muslims: "Islam is definitely good because I am not terrorist."
The narrow mindness forces people to NOT look into their Bibles and Korans more critically.
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 19:03]I agree with some points, but
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Islam has enough clauses in it for it to intrepreted as an edict to go to war.
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this is just a misconception.
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No, it's not. Read the Qu'ran and the Hadith.
The misconception is the belief that the Qu'ran ISN'T absolutely brimming with demands to kill and subjugate non-Muslims.
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Agree 100%.
The orginal books of the Bible were also full of anti-Gentile doctrine. But these were conventiently banned by the Council of Carthage (a bunch of bishops in North Africa).
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313117 is a reply to message #313006] |
Wed, 23 January 2008 11:01 |
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| renohol wrote on Wed, 23 January 2008 05:12 |
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Drug companies profit off "treating" the ill not Curing the ill.
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This is true.
TBH, this isn't murder, it isn't murder if you kill your clone, nor is it suicide, because I could be a different person if I'd made several different decisions in my life. It's impossible to end up with someone who is you, both physically and mentally. CanadaCDN is right.
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the hell is that?
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313181 is a reply to message #313057] |
Wed, 23 January 2008 15:07 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Wed, 23 January 2008 05:42 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 21:20 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 19:00 |
There are Christians who use their religion to control and supress the thoughts and feelings of others. This amounts to cruelty. There are millions of Christians in the world who believe sickness/diseases is the result of sin. What hypocrisy!
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and where did you get this information from? Every member in my family is christian, and not one of them think that disease and sickness is a result of "sin."
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Typical defense I exactly expected.
Yes, because if your family is not doing it, then no one is doing it right?
That's the best way to avoid the underlying argument because you ignore what millions of other Christians do after reading the same Bible you have.
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I'm symbolizing Christians I know for the general population. Most parts of my family goes to different churches. The people at their churches believe the samething they do. So how many is that? A lot, and all the people in those churches probably have families, and so on. It's common sense.
Don't use the "That's a crappy argument" comback when it just gives irony a whole new definiton.
Answer my question. Again, where did you get this information from?
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313250 is a reply to message #313181] |
Wed, 23 January 2008 20:40 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Wed, 23 January 2008 16:07 |
I'm symbolizing Christians I know for the general population.
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General population of what country may I ask? You surely are not representing the world's population.
Do you know how many types of Christians there are in America? I don't think so...which is why you made that ignorant statement.
| Originally Blue wrote on Wed, 23 January 2008 16:07 |
Most parts of my family goes to different churches. The people at their churches believe the samething they do. So how many is that? A lot, and all the people in those churches probably have families, and so on. It's common sense.
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America is not the only nation where there are Christians. Just look at how many denominations there are in Christianity each with a massive amount of followers across the world. So you are claiming that they think and act the same?
| Originally Blue wrote on Wed, 23 January 2008 16:07 |
Answer my question. Again, where did you get this information from?
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Ever heard of the Bible Belt? That's the closest place you can go in the continental United States to find such Christian whacks who believe in absolutely ridiculous things. I have been there and seen such Christians in many chruches. Why would I lie since all my arguments have a foundation on recorded history and logic?
Still don't believe it do you? Your denial is pathetic. I lived in six different countries spread out over different continents. Not stayed in...I lived in. And I have seen and observed Christians in all those countries. I speak what I saw...if you don't believe, saving up for a plane ticket and getting out of your box is a nice way to start.
I suggest you do a bit of research and you will realize what a giant bunch of superstitions all religions are.
Thanks.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313333 is a reply to message #312222] |
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No, Starbuzz is anti Christian. I haven't seen him talk bad about anyone except Christians.
If you think that Christianity is a selfish religion, look at Buhddism. If you touch someone from a lower class than you, or help them, you are now impure. Therefore, you can't help anyone in a lower class. That religion is like a competition, where you are all for your self and want to get to nirvana. In that religion, you don't give a shit about anybody but your self. In Christianity, we try to do the exact opposite. You can help anyone you want and you won't go down "to a lower level", infact because you helped the person, if you spend your whole life helping people, you are more likely to become a better person. Now, it may sound selfish, because the religion is about you going to heaven, but that is why Christianity has rules. aka the ten commandments
But, you could say that those are the basic rules of life, and that is true, but they didn't know that back then, so God felt like he had to tell them. It may sound just like Buddism, but unlike it, Christianity actually encourages helping other people. I hate the way you bash on Christians without regard for other religions. If you don't like Christianity, just say that. Who cares if man is flawed and needs false hope. Me, i couldn't live without religion because, then I would feel that my life is worthless and there really is no point to living. Because I really don't think that humans should live just to die 80 years later. What is the point? That is why I belive that there is something up there after we die, just waiting for us. Scientists say that what makes us different from other beings is that we can reason. That may be so, but what if the real reason we are different from animals is that we have a code set down by us that says that we must do this, this, and this, and not this to go someplace better.
I don't know about you, but I'd like to think that there is someplace better than this sin ridden world. And that is why I believe in Christ. Even if it is a false hope, I'd rather think and hope that, than to know that there really is no point to me and my existance being here.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313551 is a reply to message #313346] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 07:54 |
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Awesome reasoning as to why you follow religion, Muad. Though some parts about me are misunderstood, you spoke straight from the heart without any ego or false pride using plain simple logic most religious people refuse to see. Good job man. For YOUR sake, I am going to tone down my rheteroic. 
@Blue: No.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313804 is a reply to message #313551] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 11:09 |
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wrote on Fri, 25 January 2008 07:54]Awesome reasoning as to why you follow religion, Muad. Though some parts about me are misunderstood, you spoke straight from the heart without any ego or false pride using plain simple logic most religious people refuse to see. Good job man. For YOUR sake, I am going to tone down my rheteroic.
@Blue: No.
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Wow, I don't mean this as an insult, but I have NEVER seen someone willing to admit they use rhetoric to try and argue a point.
Basic epistimology shows that rhetoric is listed as an argument devoid of reason.
Way to completely demolish every single argument you've made in this thread...
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313855 is a reply to message #313804] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 14:37 |
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| warranto wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 12:09 |
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wrote on Fri, 25 January 2008 07:54]Awesome reasoning as to why you follow religion, Muad. Though some parts about me are misunderstood, you spoke straight from the heart without any ego or false pride using plain simple logic most religious people refuse to see. Good job man. For YOUR sake, I am going to tone down my rheteroic.
@Blue: No.
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Wow, I don't mean this as an insult, but I have NEVER seen someone willing to admit they use rhetoric to try and argue a point.
Basic epistimology shows that rhetoric is listed as an argument devoid of reason.
Way to completely demolish every single argument you've made in this thread...
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English is not my first language so I am sorry you misintrepreted what I meant to say. I am especially weak in vocabulary. By rhetoric I meant to describe my very livid and heated logical arguments.
Sorry I used the wrong word. So no, I have not "demolished" any of my arguments.
Thanks.
NOTE: Why not Christians here fight back too using the Bible? Instead you nitpick on vocabulary and other small worthless insults to defy the argument at hand. Thank you.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313872 is a reply to message #313855] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 16:08 |
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I can almost swear... Anti-Christians are making a bigger deal over the religion than Christians themselves.
I mean, everywhere I see, whenever a image is posted of Jesus with a dinosaur head, Atheists start complain about how "Christians get over-offended," when really, Christians aren't really complaining, most find the images funny.
What's the big deal about the religion anyways? Let us believe what we want, and we'll let you believe, or not believe, what you want. No one's forcing you to be religious, so don't try and force us to be unreligious. Get over it. Go on with your lives.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #313901 is a reply to message #313872] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 17:36 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 15:08 |
I can almost swear... Anti-Christians are making a bigger deal over the religion than Christians themselves.
I mean, everywhere I see, whenever a image is posted of Jesus with a dinosaur head, Atheists start complain about how "Christians get over-offended," when really, Christians aren't really complaining, most find the images funny.
What's the big deal about the religion anyways? Let us believe what we want, and we'll let you believe, or not believe, what you want. No one's forcing you to be religious, so don't try and force us to be unreligious. Get over it. Go on with your lives.
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| Re: Cloning/Murder [message #314252 is a reply to message #313855] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 08:57 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 14:37 |
| warranto wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 12:09 |
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wrote on Fri, 25 January 2008 07:54]Awesome reasoning as to why you follow religion, Muad. Though some parts about me are misunderstood, you spoke straight from the heart without any ego or false pride using plain simple logic most religious people refuse to see. Good job man. For YOUR sake, I am going to tone down my rheteroic.
@Blue: No.
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Wow, I don't mean this as an insult, but I have NEVER seen someone willing to admit they use rhetoric to try and argue a point.
Basic epistimology shows that rhetoric is listed as an argument devoid of reason.
Way to completely demolish every single argument you've made in this thread...
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English is not my first language so I am sorry you misintrepreted what I meant to say. I am especially weak in vocabulary. By rhetoric I meant to describe my very livid and heated logical arguments.
Sorry I used the wrong word. So no, I have not "demolished" any of my arguments.
Thanks.
NOTE: Why not Christians here fight back too using the Bible? Instead you nitpick on vocabulary and other small worthless insults to defy the argument at hand. Thank you.
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Ah, well it was grossly the wrong word to use. I'm not nitpicking on vocabulary, nor did I "misinterpret" what you said, you just used a word that means the complete opposite of the context you used it in. It's like me saying "you're stupid" or "no", then replying that I actually meant "you're smart" or "yes", and it was you who misinterpreted what I said because I just used the wrong word.
Specific definition of rhetoric: Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous:
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