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| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 11:55 |
| cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 18:46 |
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cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 09 January 2008 17:58
especially the part where they create inflation by printing off new money. The government is our own worst nightmare when it comes to the economy.
So the sollution is lazie-faire capitalism? Revolutions have been fought and empires toppled over capitalism gone wrong. I don't know how people can still support it at all.
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I wouldn't use those examples as laissez-faire economies. The French Monarchy and the British Empire were more like mercantile economies where strong government regulation at the federal level was used to protect the industries of those countries.
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The English empire has been the 2nd most successful empire ever created. For one simple reason.
Hitler had it all wrong. He tried to make enemies to conquer the land.
The English actually USED the conquered areas for trading, shipping, factories, etc. Thats why they were able to keep such favor among the conquered for so long.
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uhuh and the first was?
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I'd say Rome, except it wasn't technically a country. America has been the most successful for multiple reasons:
- Its democratic system is unmatched
- Its on good terms with most countries
- It has the least problems in terms of benefitting the poor
- Its the most technologically advanced country on earth (NO. It is not Japan. This is a retarded misconception. Japan has the best technology in things like, cameras, computers, etc. However, for weaponry, it comes no where close to America).
- Has lasted over 230 years, which is more than I can say for many countries.
- Has an unsurpassed army training programm, and the most well equipped troops on earth.
- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
- Has one of the highest money values of any country
- Has one of the best immigration policies in the Americas
I can keep going on and on. Point being, America, in my view, is the most successful country.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310009 is a reply to message #308124] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 19:08 |
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- Its democratic system is unmatched
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Not anymore. Because you elected Bush you can kiss your democracy goodbye.
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- Its on good terms with most countries
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Only because if a government pops up that it doesn't agree with it either stages a coup to overthrow it or bombs the country to the stone age, and many of it's allies put up with the US only because it is a superpower.
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- It has the least problems in terms of benefitting the poor
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Then how come most blacks are still unable to climb the class ladder?
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- Its the most technologically advanced country on earth (NO. It is not Japan. This is a retarded misconception. Japan has the best technology in things like, cameras, computers, etc. However, for weaponry, it comes no where close to America).
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Maybe, but 75% of the population never see this "advanced technology that you speak of."
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- Has lasted over 230 years, which is more than I can say for many countries.
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And yet is that is 1/10 of China's existence as a state.
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- Has an unsurpassed army training programm, and the most well equipped troops on earth.
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And yet it still lost in Vietnam.
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- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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So does most of Europe.
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- Has one of the highest money values of any country
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And it won't be that way in 50 years, keep on electing leaders like Bush and soon there will be hyperinflation.
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- Has one of the best immigration policies in the Americas
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What about Canada?
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310021 is a reply to message #310009] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 19:29 |
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| prasp wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:08 |
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- Its democratic system is unmatched
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Not anymore. Because you elected Bush you can kiss your democracy goodbye.
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- Its on good terms with most countries
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Only because if a government pops up that it doesn't agree with it either stages a coup to overthrow it or bombs the country to the stone age, and many of it's allies put up with the US only because it is a superpower.
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- It has the least problems in terms of benefitting the poor
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Then how come most blacks are still unable to climb the class ladder?
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- Its the most technologically advanced country on earth (NO. It is not Japan. This is a retarded misconception. Japan has the best technology in things like, cameras, computers, etc. However, for weaponry, it comes no where close to America).
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Maybe, but 75% of the population never see this "advanced technology that you speak of."
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- Has lasted over 230 years, which is more than I can say for many countries.
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And yet is that is 1/10 of China's existence as a state.
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- Has an unsurpassed army training programm, and the most well equipped troops on earth.
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And yet it still lost in Vietnam.
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- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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So does most of Europe.
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- Has one of the highest money values of any country
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And it won't be that way in 50 years, keep on electing leaders like Bush and soon there will be hyperinflation.
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- Has one of the best immigration policies in the Americas
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What about Canada?
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Let me guess, your a little America-Hating left-wing activist, right?
Let me give you some directions to the front of the store my friend, since you seem to be stuck in the Ignorant Department:
1. Why did we lose in Vietnam? We didn't. We pulled out. We lost one thing. Our brothers, sons, husbands, boyfriends, and friends. Thats what we lost. But we didn't lose the war. And the only reason we didn't WIN it, is because we weren't able to devote ourselves fully to it, and sent about 1/10 as many soldiers over as we needed. My father was in Vietnam, and I know the stories, he told me a lot about it. Not only that, I've done a lot of research myself.
2. Bush is the least of our problems. I hate fools like you who look for the apocalypse in everything, saying ''OH NO! SINCE
WE SOMETIMES ELECT THESE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO A POLICE STATE ONE DAY! HORROR, HORROR!''. I have some news for you. That happened to England. Guess what happened? America was formed. The government may not be made of the nicest people, but they aren't stupid, and they are the reason we have the freedom we do. If they were to take away our ''freedom'', there would be some serious shit going down, trust me. The only reason you can even SAY you dislike them is because we still have freedom. Some places wouldn't even give you freedom of speech. NO country is perfect. Not a single one. Because perfect doesn't, and will never, exist. But overall, America is the best country out there. And Canada? Lol. Thats funny.
3. Blacks can't get up in the world? Lol? Let me ask you something. Do you realize that I'm half chinese and half black? I'm also bisexual, and my mother left me and my father when I was 16. And you know what? I make 150k+ a year, I have a wife, a family, a good job as a Marine Biologist, and the fact is, I'm not hurting. I had practically ever disadvantage you could think of, and I still made myself into a success. ONE thing keeps ''blacks'' from getting ahead. Thats themselves. I'll take a quote from Bill Cosby: ''Your dirty laundry gets home at 3pm every day''. Hes totally right. These kids go out and cause trouble, and don't study, and mouth off. These kids are they're own problems, and sometimes, honestly, make me ashamed to even be half black. If these kids really wanted to have a life, they'ed do EXACTLY what I did. They would go off, get a job, study, go to college.
4. Canada? BAHAHAHA! Yeah right. America is so superior to Canada in almost every way its not even funny.
I will go half way with you. America has its problems. Electing dumb asses like Bush being one. But guess what? This is the best god damn country on earth, and the fact that ANYONE who dislikes it lives here, really baffles me. If you have a problem with it, just leave, and see how long it is before you come back.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310022 is a reply to message #309990] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 19:30 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Its democratic system is unmatched
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Vauge. What do you mean to say by this? Unmatched in what?
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Its on good terms with most countries
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Because countries that aren't on good terms with the US tend to find themselves overthrown or bombed back to the stone age.
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- It has the least problems in terms of benefitting the poor
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I would hardly call benefitting the poor a "problem".
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Its the most technologically advanced country on earth (NO. It is not Japan. This is a retarded misconception. Japan has the best technology in things like, cameras, computers, etc. However, for weaponry, it comes no where close to America).
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Technology doesn't just mean military technology.
For the record, Japan and the greater part of Europe have been ahead of the US in telecommunications for about 15 years now. If you'd ever traveled beyond your state, you might know that.
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- Has lasted over 230 years, which is more than I can say for many countries.
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So? My motherland of Bulgaria has lasted as an independant state for 1300 years, and it would've been longer if it wasn't for the damn Turks.
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Has an unsurpassed army training programm, and the most well equipped troops on earth.
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Which means little to nothing outside military affairs.
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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Who doesn't?
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Has one of the highest money values of any country
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Hah. Funny. All of Europe has a higher "money value" than the US. (The Euro is worth about twice what the dollar is. The pound is about triple). Fuck, even the CANADIAN DOLLAR is now worth more than the US dollar. How pathetic is that?
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
- Has one of the best immigration policies in the Americas
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Oh? And which immigration policy is this one, exactly? The one that lets in all the illegals and terrorists, or the one that keeps out people with a legitimate reason to come here?
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 16:55 |
I can keep going on and on. Point being, America, in my view, is the most successful country.
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Of course you'd say that. You're an American. You've been fed this BS by your TV since your early childhood. The thought that another country might be "better" than yours is unfathomable.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310025 is a reply to message #308124] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 19:34 |
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I love how people act like the US is some huge, ominous force which is so evil and hateful. Some of you should try going to Africa sometime. Lets see if you still want to live there after about, a week.
I've been all over the world. Singapore, the Galapagos, Africa, Indonesia, Japan, Canada, Mexico, England, and France. None of them were even a shadow next to America.
(Of course, the Galapagos isn't a country...Just thought I'd throw that in there for fun.)
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310029 is a reply to message #308124] |
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Africa isn't a country either.
What's the longest you've stayed in any of those places?
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310034 is a reply to message #310030] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 19:43 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 18:39 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:38 |
Africa isn't a country either.
What's the longest you've stayed in any of those places?
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Semantics, you know what he meant. 
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In all honesty, I don't. Africa is a big place. My grandfather used to work as an Airplane mechanic in Sudan. Sudan is nothing like Egypt, and neither of the two are anything what I imagine South Africa would be like.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310042 is a reply to message #310035] |
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| Ethenal wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 18:44 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:43 |
| Ethenal wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 18:39 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:38 |
Africa isn't a country either.
What's the longest you've stayed in any of those places?
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Semantics, you know what he meant.
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In all honesty, I don't. Africa is a big place. My grandfather used to work as an Airplane mechanic in Sudan. Sudan is nothing like Egypt, and neither of the two are anything what I imagine South Africa would be like.
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To me it just looked like he accidentally threw Africa as a whole into the list right after mentioning Africa. It wouldn't surprise me.
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My main point is that you can VISIT lots of places--I've VISITED plenty of places in the world--However, if you haven't LIVED outside the United States (Or whatever your home country may be), you really aren't in a position to make any sort of comparison.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310052 is a reply to message #310029] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:38 |
Africa isn't a country either.
What's the longest you've stayed in any of those places?
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Well, the Galapagos I was there for a year. I was studying the marine Iguana's and Galapagos Tortoises. Mexico...I was there for a period of about 3 weeks. Africa, I was there for a period of over 5 months. On that same trip, I visited Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria, and a few others. While in England, I stayed for 7 months. Off the coast of Scottland theres actually an interesting type of Fish which is quite rare, we were hoping to discover one and bring it back to the America's for analyzation..Unfortunately, we only caught one, and it died on the trip back over. Canada, that was a vacation. Been there twice. Both for 1-2 weeks. Nova Scotia is fairly nice, actually.
Singapore...I went there back in College. I was studying a few different things there. The rest of the places were just either vacations or trips to pick up some materials. Nothing more than 2 weeks.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310084 is a reply to message #310052] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 22:51 |
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The reason we lost the Vietnam War was because the soldiers were restricted from doing what they could have done. We also pulled out. If we would have stayed in unrestricted, we could've won.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310090 is a reply to message #310052] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 19:10 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:38 |
Africa isn't a country either.
What's the longest you've stayed in any of those places?
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Well, the Galapagos I was there for a year. I was studying the marine Iguana's and Galapagos Tortoises. Mexico...I was there for a period of about 3 weeks. Africa, I was there for a period of over 5 months. On that same trip, I visited Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria, and a few others. While in England, I stayed for 7 months. Off the coast of Scottland theres actually an interesting type of Fish which is quite rare, we were hoping to discover one and bring it back to the America's for analyzation..Unfortunately, we only caught one, and it died on the trip back over. Canada, that was a vacation. Been there twice. Both for 1-2 weeks. Nova Scotia is fairly nice, actually.
Singapore...I went there back in College. I was studying a few different things there. The rest of the places were just either vacations or trips to pick up some materials. Nothing more than 2 weeks.
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Hmmm. That's a pretty health amount of time spent in some of those places, but it sounds to me like you spent more time hunting rare fish than you were doing other things. Supposed there's nothing that can be helped about that, seeing how you're a marine biologist.
In any case, those are all just months at a time, with the exception of the Galapagos, which as you pointed out isn't a country. You've got to really live someplace, long enough to call it home, before you can make any kind of comparison.
| Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 21:51 |
The reason we lost the Vietnam War was because the soldiers were restricted from doing what they could have done. We also pulled out. If we would have stayed in unrestricted, we could've won.
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No. The real reason we lost is (Insert equally unsupported and unprovable theory here). If we (Something that didn't and/or couldn't happen), we could've won. Maybe.
Is it really that hard to accept? America lost Vietnam. AMERICA LOST VIETNAM. Don't say "We didn't lose, we pulled out". That's like saying you didn't lose a match in Renegade because you yanked the power cord on your modem before your base got completely destroyed. 50,000+ US troops died, and the result is the same as if nobody got shipped over to begin with. That's what I call failure. The only place US had a chance in winning is in this "What-if" land that everyone loves to visit when the topic gets brought up.
You lost a war. It happens. Accept it, and move on.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310107 is a reply to message #308124] |
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ROFL. I could buy a shit load of your currency now for only half of mine. The Dollars' value has droped immensly.
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I say a personal fanning of the genitals would be awesome.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310120 is a reply to message #309990] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:55 |
- Its democratic system is unmatched
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No, it's not...
| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:55 |
- Its on good terms with most countries
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like prasp said, if it decides it's not on good terms with a country anymore - such as not being sold anymore oil - it has a habit of "spreading democracy", such as overthrowing a democratically elected President by a covert coup and installing a puppet pro-Western dictator
| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:55 |
- Trades with nearly every country in some form or another
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quite unethically in some cases
| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:55 |
- Has one of the best immigration policies in the Americas
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yep, your Mexican border is nice and secure, isn't it?
| MWright967 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:55 |
Oooh, okay. Tell the half black half chinese left wing guy he's being racist. Right.
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You are racist. The Obama thread established that.
And if you think saying you're half-black or half-chinese means you can't be racist, you're not only a racist, you're also a racist hypocrite
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310156 is a reply to message #310021] |
Sat, 12 January 2008 08:12 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 20:29 |
Let me guess, your a little America-Hating left-wing activist, right?
Let me give you some directions to the front of the store my friend, since you seem to be stuck in the Ignorant Department:
1. Why did we lose in Vietnam? We didn't. We pulled out. We lost one thing. Our brothers, sons, husbands, boyfriends, and friends. Thats what we lost. But we didn't lose the war. And the only reason we didn't WIN it, is because we weren't able to devote ourselves fully to it, and sent about 1/10 as many soldiers over as we needed. My father was in Vietnam, and I know the stories, he told me a lot about it. Not only that, I've done a lot of research myself.
2. Bush is the least of our problems. I hate fools like you who look for the apocalypse in everything, saying ''OH NO! SINCE
WE SOMETIMES ELECT THESE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO A POLICE STATE ONE DAY! HORROR, HORROR!''. I have some news for you. That happened to England. Guess what happened? America was formed. The government may not be made of the nicest people, but they aren't stupid, and they are the reason we have the freedom we do. If they were to take away our ''freedom'', there would be some serious shit going down, trust me. The only reason you can even SAY you dislike them is because we still have freedom. Some places wouldn't even give you freedom of speech. NO country is perfect. Not a single one. Because perfect doesn't, and will never, exist. But overall, America is the best country out there. And Canada? Lol. Thats funny.
3. Blacks can't get up in the world? Lol? Let me ask you something. Do you realize that I'm half chinese and half black? I'm also bisexual, and my mother left me and my father when I was 16. And you know what? I make 150k+ a year, I have a wife, a family, a good job as a Marine Biologist, and the fact is, I'm not hurting. I had practically ever disadvantage you could think of, and I still made myself into a success. ONE thing keeps ''blacks'' from getting ahead. Thats themselves. I'll take a quote from Bill Cosby: ''Your dirty laundry gets home at 3pm every day''. Hes totally right. These kids go out and cause trouble, and don't study, and mouth off. These kids are they're own problems, and sometimes, honestly, make me ashamed to even be half black. If these kids really wanted to have a life, they'ed do EXACTLY what I did. They would go off, get a job, study, go to college.
4. Canada? BAHAHAHA! Yeah right. America is so superior to Canada in almost every way its not even funny.
I will go half way with you. America has its problems. Electing dumb asses like Bush being one. But guess what? This is the best god damn country on earth, and the fact that ANYONE who dislikes it lives here, really baffles me. If you have a problem with it, just leave, and see how long it is before you come back.
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I'm glad you've said something about race being tied to success. Yet another living proof that hard work DOES make someone succeed in life. I also love how America continuously looks like the worst among all the countries, even though we foot the most of the bills in terms of international charitable works.
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For some reason there is an external(as well as internal) fetish for people to find controversy with the most successful federal and state separated government on earth. I really do thing some of you have a desire to seek out, and discredit anything successful that the United States achieves. What makes this even more perverse, is that I see Americans doing this very thing. Checks and Balances are fine - that's what a government by the people's duty is. But don't pull a StupidFlyingFuck and make stories seem worse than they actually are(I'm looking at you prasp). To you externals - Your governments have done atrocities that are JUST as bad, or worse in your past histories as we have in our past history. That includes ALL of you. Get over yourselves.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310157 is a reply to message #310156] |
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| Jecht wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 09:12 |
To you externals - Your governments have done atrocities that are JUST as bad, or worse in your past histories as we have in our past history. That includes ALL of you. Get over yourselves.
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That's a good idea. Let's generalize all governments together because all of them have commited evil. 
You are wrong about my country's government.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310189 is a reply to message #308124] |
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Bulgaria hasn't.
The histroy book's idea of Bulgarian "Attrocities" is forcing some Turkish citizens to adopt more Slavic surnames to help reunify them and defuse tension after 500 years of Turkish occupation.
OH NOEZ! THEY HAD TO CHANGE THEIR NAME SO THEY NOT GET LYNCHED!!
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