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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #302992 is a reply to message #302972] |
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| BlueThen wrote on Thu, 13 December 2007 21:23 |
Have you realized that EA has the advantage of time and more advanced technology than westwood?
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Where have I said why I think WW sucks? I have in no way said, implied or inferred that I think they suck because their game's graphics aren't as "up-to-date" as current games. I don't care about graphics. In fact TS is still my favorite C&C game, it beats the crap out of RA2 and Generals combined.
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303022 is a reply to message #302994] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 00:21 |
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Westwood did invent RTS, but EA's RTS's are way better than Westwood's in terms of gameplay and balance... anyone who seriously thinks RA2 or Tib Sun are better games than Generals and Zero Hour frankly needs to see a doctor.
We had the same crap with the BFME games... a section of the community didn't care about whether the gameplay and the balance were good as long as Gandalf's hat was the right shape or something... some of the threads here remind me of that tbh. OMG KANE'S PANTS ARE THE WRONG COLOUR FUCK EA I'LL NEVER BUY THEIR GAMES AGAIN!
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303053 is a reply to message #302956] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 08:41 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Thu, 13 December 2007 19:03 |
Westwood sucks more than EA does.
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You suck more than Electrolux does.
seriously though I can see what you're getting at, and the point Spoony made, and I quite agree to an extent. Westwood pioneered the RTS genre however I sincerely doubt they would have created as popular games as EA did once they obtained the franchise. Sure Generals sucks the big one because it has absolutely nothing to do with the Tiberium and/or Red Alert universes. But the gameplay was/is vastly superior with the creation of an entirely new game engine (SAGE).
I believe that EA should do the same for any new FPS titles. Make it 100% new and unique with a new engine. I like battlefield for it's multiplay as I do Renegade however the two are vastly different. EA should be careful not to stray too far from the original Renegade concepts - The original C&C mode is essential but they have to kick it up a notch.
If we wanted BF we would go out and buy BF. Or do what Im doing and make a mod for Renegade (siggy). Why do such a thing? I love the WW2 atmosphere but concurr with the above, that 2 shot kills / long respawn times / deliberate teamkilling sucks monkey testicles. Hence why I am trying to recreate that on the Renegade engine. Anyone who shares these views should sign up on the mod team FTW!
One last comment, the rumored name. "C&C Tiberium". Very fucking generic, awfully pathetic. But then lest we forget the last instalment... Lets look at the Tib Universe titles thusfar:
TIBERIAN DAWN
TIBERIAN SUN
TIBERIUM WARS
If you ask me someone needs to learn how to fucking spell.
But you would all just say Im moaning about Gandalf's hat.
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so what you are saying it is gonna take even longer before this thing is finished
So the topic title should be changed to: a sucky little "teaser" from C&C Reborn has been released
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Unless they are girls, I am not going to bone them.
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303084 is a reply to message #303073] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 11:57 |
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I'd say that statement shows you're worse than you make EA out to be.
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303088 is a reply to message #303084] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 12:26 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 12:57 |
I'd say that statement shows you're worse than you make EA out to be.
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I meant C&C Renegade won't lose that many players to "C&C Tiberium" if EA messes it up.
And EA granting licenses to write novels about C&C3 and then basing the main character in this new FPS from a character in the novel is pretty ridiculous don't you think?
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303092 is a reply to message #303042] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 12:46 |
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| One Winged Angel wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 09:03 |
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 07:21 |
Westwood did invent RTS, but EA's RTS's are way better than Westwood's in terms of gameplay and balance... anyone who seriously thinks RA2 or Tib Sun are better games than Generals and Zero Hour frankly needs to see a doctor.
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RA2 and Tiberian sun are better games than Gens or Zero Hour. you need to see a doctor my friend.
RA2 and TS were highly unique and had their storyline and universes were both really gripping. It made you want to frinish them.
Generals was a string of missions of a generic, bland RTS. not inginuitive at all.
Plus I prefered the goofy 2d graphics of the older games to the shit that Generals was.
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OWA's absolutely right. I don't see any advantages Generals or Zero Hour had over Red Alert 2.
Tiberian Sun and RA2 had very deep canons and storylines which left people creating theories on who Cabal was, who Kane is, etc. The stories by themselves made you want to finish the game to see what would happen. As well, the cutscenes were very well-done with actors and a movie-like atmosphere, unlike most other games which had CG.
What did Generals introduce that was good? All they did was take out the sidebar, ditch cutscenes, scrap the movie-scenario briefings, and try to throw up a realistic game. It had practically no story, its multiplayer was extremely laggy and lacking features, and its graphics haven't aged well at all. There wasn't even much strategy to the game, it was all about buildings lots of WF's, lots of vehicles, lots of superweapons and charging at their base. Its single player was long, boring, and not challenging in all respects. Red Alert 2 might not be 3d, but till today it looks acceptable. The only thing that ever looked good in generals were the explosions, but most people don't like commanding stickmen.
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| Re: C&C Tiberium - FPS Game [message #303103 is a reply to message #303099] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 13:21 |
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| Surth wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 15:05 |
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There wasn't even much strategy to the game, it was all about buildings lots of WF's, lots of vehicles, lots of superweapons and charging at their base.
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I'll just say you SUCK at Zero Hour, if you think so.
Btw what great strategy do you need in YR?
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Have you even played Zero Hour online? All people did was go and build a hundred bases with a lot of super weapons and weapons factories.
Ra2 actually had the strategy factor. It wasn't about relying on big numbers of superweapons and vehicles, you actually had to think out proper attacks. It even had ships and submarines; which adds an entire new kind of warfare that Generals did not have.
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...? How can my opinion be wrong. You sir, are a moron.
But anyway, most of you just allowed me to play you like an instrument. And I also proved Bigejoe's point.
You're saying you can see where this game is heading from seeing the first glimpse of it, however you are denying you are doing this.
All I said was "Westwood sucks" and then everyone all of a sudden started to think of their own conclusions for why I think that way. I never gave a reason, I only said "they suck more than EA does."
And I also never clarified how much I think EA sucks either. It could be a lot, or I might not think they suck. You simply don't know.
But the point of me even saying "westwood sucks" was to hopefully open your eyes and make you actually see you guys are being narrow minded.
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Then CLARIFY yourself if people are misunderstanding you. You can't just type out a few words and expect everyone to know exactly what you're saying. Explain yourself and give some rational arguments.
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