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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #289065 is a reply to message #283445] |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 10 September 2007 15:38 |
Sorry but the law in the US is just fucked. You shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
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It is in the Constitution which was written in the 1700s.
"All men have the right to bare arms"
And I disagree with what you said about having something that causes harm but doesn't kill. That is called torture. I would much rather have it your either ok, or your dead. No in between.
But no one has the right to take the life of another. However, lets just say that it was illegal to buy a gun in the US. Did you forget about smuggling?
Now not only do the criminals have guns, but the normal citizens don't. That is one reason why that law still stands.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #290840 is a reply to message #289065] |
Tue, 16 October 2007 12:42 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 16:47 |
It is in the Constitution which was written in the 1700s.
"All men have the right to bare arms"
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Rumor has it you can bare your legs and anything else you want to show as well.
We can also arm bears.
And to top it all off: We have the right to BEAR arms.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #290907 is a reply to message #290844] |
Tue, 16 October 2007 18:05 |
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My opinion is that is someone broke into my house and started shooting all the members in my family, I would rather have a gun to shoot them with, rather then have to try running at him with a chair or something.
And even if you did require everyone to get a gun license, a person could still break into your house and steal your gun.
And if nobody could have guns it would be like on cops when someone steals a tank, and the cops have nothing to match it. So all they can do is stand there until it gets stuck or runs out of gas. Or as it would be in this case ammo.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #290936 is a reply to message #290907] |
Tue, 16 October 2007 22:09 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Tue, 16 October 2007 20:05 |
My opinion is that is someone broke into my house and started shooting all the members in my family, I would rather have a gun to shoot them with, rather then have to try running at him with a chair or something.
And even if you did require everyone to get a gun license, a person could still break into your house and steal your gun.
And if nobody could have guns it would be like on cops when someone steals a tank, and the cops have nothing to match it. So all they can do is stand there until it gets stuck or runs out of gas. Or as it would be in this case ammo.
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cops can't do anything against tanks right now anyways. they only have pistols or pump shotguns......
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #291068 is a reply to message #290955] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 14:43 |
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| Jecht wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 03:50 |
Read his post better.
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why do you follow my posts around flaming me for anything? that's really mean stop it please 
I misread his post, I thought it said that cops can't do anything with his blah blah analogy, not that it was on Cops. it wasn't capitalized so when i read it i sort of overlooked it. Still, how can you compare a person fighting a burglar to that person fighting a tank?? lol
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #291125 is a reply to message #291086] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 19:10 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 18:13 |
| Rocko wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 17:43 |
| Jecht wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 03:50 |
Read his post better.
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why do you follow my posts around flaming me for anything? that's really mean stop it please
I misread his post, I thought it said that cops can't do anything with his blah blah analogy, not that it was on Cops. it wasn't capitalized so when i read it i sort of overlooked it. Still, how can you compare a person fighting a burglar to that person fighting a tank?? lol
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Why are simple analogies of principle lost on people so easily?
The principle he's discussing isn't equating a tank thief to a burglar. He's equating the police being helpless to stop the tank thief just as a homeowner would be helpless to stop a burglar if the homeowner was prevented from owning a gun legally.
Seriously, is it that hard to grasp?
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No because a homeowner is not completely helpless against a burglar even if they don't have a gun. You can compare the situation to the police on a tank but that doesn't make the analogy correct.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #291130 is a reply to message #291125] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 19:48 |
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| Rocko wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 22:10 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 18:13 |
| Rocko wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 17:43 |
| Jecht wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 03:50 |
Read his post better.
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why do you follow my posts around flaming me for anything? that's really mean stop it please
I misread his post, I thought it said that cops can't do anything with his blah blah analogy, not that it was on Cops. it wasn't capitalized so when i read it i sort of overlooked it. Still, how can you compare a person fighting a burglar to that person fighting a tank?? lol
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Why are simple analogies of principle lost on people so easily?
The principle he's discussing isn't equating a tank thief to a burglar. He's equating the police being helpless to stop the tank thief just as a homeowner would be helpless to stop a burglar if the homeowner was prevented from owning a gun legally.
Seriously, is it that hard to grasp?
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No because a homeowner is not completely helpless against a burglar even if they don't have a gun. You can compare the situation to the police on a tank but that doesn't make the analogy correct.
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Neither are "completely" helpless. I didn't think I needed to be THAT specific.
The fact is, regardless if the police have the ability to bring in backup, just like people have the ability to call for help, it still doesn't change the fact that crime doesn't wait until both sides are equally armed.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #302522 is a reply to message #302520] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 13:26 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 13:58 |
So has anyone heard about that shooting at a church and missionary center on Sunday? How was it stopped? Oh, yeah, by this volunteer security guard armed with a gun. I know it sounds crazy, but a citizen (though, she is a FORMER cop) owns a gun and used it on someone set on mass murder. Yeah, I know, this is just more proof that law-abiding citizens with guns is not a good idea, amirite?
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If the mass murder wasn't able to buy a gun like every other citizen in the first place, then this wouldn't had happened.
Crazy idea that yes?
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #302535 is a reply to message #302522] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 13:43 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 14:26 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 13:58 |
So has anyone heard about that shooting at a church and missionary center on Sunday? How was it stopped? Oh, yeah, by this volunteer security guard armed with a gun. I know it sounds crazy, but a citizen (though, she is a FORMER cop) owns a gun and used it on someone set on mass murder. Yeah, I know, this is just more proof that law-abiding citizens with guns is not a good idea, amirite?
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If the mass murder wasn't able to buy a gun like every other citizen in the first place, then this wouldn't had happened.
Crazy idea that yes?
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Maybe he would have built a bomb? Humans will find a way out of no way. Take away guns and you got knives which is the case in England I think.
@Cheesesoda
No you are not right. It was the Holy Spirit that helped her out. And God too.
Toggle SpoilerNah just kidding! I completely agree with you. Who knows, if she did not have the gun to end the rampage, the guy would have ended up killing more innocent people.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #302536 is a reply to message #302535] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 13:53 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 14:43 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 14:26 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 13:58 |
So has anyone heard about that shooting at a church and missionary center on Sunday? How was it stopped? Oh, yeah, by this volunteer security guard armed with a gun. I know it sounds crazy, but a citizen (though, she is a FORMER cop) owns a gun and used it on someone set on mass murder. Yeah, I know, this is just more proof that law-abiding citizens with guns is not a good idea, amirite?
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If the mass murder wasn't able to buy a gun like every other citizen in the first place, then this wouldn't had happened.
Crazy idea that yes?
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Maybe he would have built a bomb? Humans will find a way out of no way. Take away guns and you got knives which is the case in England I think.
@Cheesesoda
No you are not right. It was the Holy Spirit that helped her out. And God too.
Toggle SpoilerNah just kidding! I completely agree with you. Who knows, if she did not have the gun to end the rampage, the guy would have ended up killing more innocent people.
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Good try in an answer but no.
It is harder to build a bomb then it is to pull a trigger on a gun.
It is much harder for a human to kill a other human with a knife then it is with a gun.
And trying to mass murder people with a knife is not like counter strike, also the chances of a person living after being stabbed is higher then it is with a gun.
I talk from experience my friend.
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