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| Re: The draft! [message #279408 is a reply to message #278492] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 08:47   |
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The whole idea of government-controlled equality is just a fantasy dream. I don't know about you, but I don't like my government spending more of my money than I'd like. Maybe you're used to it, but I couldn't imagine having the government take half of my income and spend it on coked-up assholes living on the street using my money to fuel their addiction.
Labor unions just further the whole, "we demand everything and expect to give as little back as possible". I understand the purpose of trying to protect the workers' rights, but the teacher's union in America is a prime example of socialism gone awry.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279415 is a reply to message #279412] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 09:25 |
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| GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 12:13 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 10:47 |
The whole idea of government-controlled equality is just a fantasy dream. I don't know about you, but I don't like my government spending more of my money than I'd like. Maybe you're used to it, but I couldn't imagine having the government take half of my income and spend it on coked-up assholes living on the street using my money to fuel their addiction.
Labor unions just further the whole, "we demand everything and expect to give as little back as possible". I understand the purpose of trying to protect the workers' rights, but the teacher's union in America is a prime example of socialism gone awry.
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If workers can't band together and protect their rights, who will?
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I didn't say they can't band together, but I don't think they should have any special rights. I think if they want to band together to get higher wages, then let them, but if the business wants to replace those ungrateful workers, then they should be able to do that, too.
The Teacher's Union gets to the point where no teacher can get a bonus because that would be unfair to other, less productive teachers. Let's not forget to mention that it's nearly impossible to fire teachers. In a lot of cases, the schools will have bad teachers go to a different building to spend their day, while still being paid because schools can't fire them.
There has to be a balance between the employer and the employee. They naturally have that balance, and it throws it all off when the government tries to step in.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279423 is a reply to message #279420] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 11:18 |
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| Renx wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 13:55 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 12:47 |
The whole idea of government-controlled equality is just a fantasy dream. I don't know about you, but I don't like my government spending more of my money than I'd like. Maybe you're used to it, but I couldn't imagine having the government take half of my income and spend it on coked-up assholes living on the street using my money to fuel their addiction.
Labor unions just further the whole, "we demand everything and expect to give as little back as possible". I understand the purpose of trying to protect the workers' rights, but the teacher's union in America is a prime example of socialism gone awry.
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The point is to get them working and paying taxes too, not just to get them off drugs. The end result is better for everyone. And to stay on topic, another factor is probably to bolster the country's "fit for military service" numbers in case of a draft 
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Nobody should be forced to care about the "common good". I'm not going to spend your money, regardless if it's for a "worthy" cause, so I don't expect mine to be spent for anything besides on services for myself like law enforcement and education. Let me and others donate to charity if I want to. I work to live my life, not so some half-wit can live his/hers.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279439 is a reply to message #279268] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 13:58 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 15:28 |
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 16:02 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:53 |
YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS. YOU VOTED THEM IN AND WILL DO AS YOUR TOLD!!
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ddermmm
governments are employees of the people, not the other way around
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It's mentality like his that makes government as powerful as it is. He just continues to further my accusation of him being a tool.
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The Goverment may well be the employee. But they all have their own political agenda ahead of them. They will tell you what they think you want to hear and then stick the knife into your back as you turn away.
During the 4 year term they do what they want and its only after that time that we really get the chance to force them out. Very rarely will any Goverment leaders ideas and concepts totally agree with any individual.
But the big one with the younger generation is WAR. Its not wrong to fear war, but I believe its wrong not to fight for freedom. If that means going to war because your Goverment, that you elected, gets us to that position, whereby our peace and liberty has to be sacrificed in order to retain our peace, then so be it.
We will march.
As for being a tool. I beg to differ. I cast my vote but in a democratic country whereby the majority wins, I dont throw a strop and say "Im not going to war and I may be unfit to do so".
Keeping the peace sometimes means war, that seems like a simple concept to me.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279451 is a reply to message #279439] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 15:16 |
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| puddle_splasher wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 16:58 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 15:28 |
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 16:02 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:53 |
YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS. YOU VOTED THEM IN AND WILL DO AS YOUR TOLD!!
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ddermmm
governments are employees of the people, not the other way around
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It's mentality like his that makes government as powerful as it is. He just continues to further my accusation of him being a tool.
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The Goverment may well be the employee. But they all have their own political agenda ahead of them. They will tell you what they think you want to hear and then stick the knife into your back as you turn away.
During the 4 year term they do what they want and its only after that time that we really get the chance to force them out. Very rarely will any Goverment leaders ideas and concepts totally agree with any individual.
But the big one with the younger generation is WAR. Its not wrong to fear war, but I believe its wrong not to fight for freedom. If that means going to war because your Goverment, that you elected, gets us to that position, whereby our peace and liberty has to be sacrificed in order to retain our peace, then so be it.
We will march.
As for being a tool. I beg to differ. I cast my vote but in a democratic country whereby the majority wins, I dont throw a strop and say "Im not going to war and I may be unfit to do so".
Keeping the peace sometimes means war, that seems like a simple concept to me.
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Do you ever ask yourself why I would ever dare to call you an idiot? Rest assured, it's not because your opinion differs from mine. It's because every point I make seems to fly over your head.
Explain to me how you're not a tool when you continually say that there's no point in discussing this because the government will do as it pleases. You act as if we shouldn't question the government because they're the government and we can't stop them. What's the point in a democratic government system if we can't stop the government? The simple fact of the matter is that we can. As I said before, it's your attitude that lets the government take in all the power it wants.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279471 is a reply to message #279451] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 17:12 |
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Ask any soldier who they'd rather have watching their back in the thick of battle...
1. someone who, like them, has made the conscious choice to serve in the military, put themselves through the rigorous training knowing full well they may die in battle
2. someone who never wanted to be a soldier but was forced into it
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1. the inevitable criticism one receives after doing something awful
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| Re: The draft! [message #279520 is a reply to message #279400] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 23:43 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 09:50 |
I hate Socialism and labor unions. >.>
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Labor Unions aren't necessarily a bad thing. When I worked for Meijer, sure, it sucked having them suck my paycheck dry. For Spartan however, they actually serve a purpose and I like being part of their union. Alas, my last day is today though. No more making $12 an hour doing temp-work. Back to college I go!
Socialism can't work though. The former Soviet Union is proof that it's an unfair system.
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| Re: The draft! [message #280548 is a reply to message #280243] |
Wed, 22 August 2007 18:17 |
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| Canadacdn wrote on Mon, 20 August 2007 23:35 |
Hey everyone! Get ready for war with Iran!
To be honest, if the US does actually attack Iran, I will believe that 9/11 was an inside job to invade the middle east.
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this has come from the media which lies like no other orginazation and exagerates to the limits. i would like the media to be reformed.
we are neutral and wouldnt invade iran we would lose all support. and the 9/11 conspiracy about the government is stupid i dont care what you say. Everyone knows that the muslums have hated great britian and europe because of the crusades and the UN taking alot of land away to give to isreal, they are doing it to get back at us. If you dont beleive me look at your history books. especially the crusades. This is practically the crusades all over again.
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| Re: The draft! [message #280776 is a reply to message #279420] |
Fri, 24 August 2007 15:43 |
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| Renx wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 12:55 |
And to stay on topic, another factor is probably to bolster the country's "fit for military service" numbers in case of a draft
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staying on topic.. there are two kinds of wars:
one i call just a war; it goes on but doesn't really affect the country fighting
the other is a total war which is when the country puts all its resources in to fighting he war. losing a total war usually means the end of that nation.
a draft is used during a total war, like ww1 or 2. all available men are given guns and told to fight or make the guns. all women are told to get to work too.
the war in Iraq isn't a total war, and thus it doesn't affect our daily lives. turn off your tv or radio and you could forget it is going on...
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| Re: The draft! [message #280949 is a reply to message #280776] |
Sat, 25 August 2007 02:11 |
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| scarabguy wrote on Fri, 24 August 2007 18:43 |
there are two kinds of wars:
one i call just a war; it goes on but doesn't really affect the country fighting
the other is a total war which is when the country puts all its resources in to fighting he war. losing a total war usually means the end of that nation.
a draft is used during a total war, like ww1 or 2. all available men are given guns and told to fight or make the guns. all women are told to get to work too.
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A total war is when a draft is used and losing a total war usually means the end of that nation? Then by your definition explain Vietnam?!?! 
I have friends serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and they are scared shittless everyday. While I am against the war wholly and in everyway possible I will support my countries troops* and I pray they return home SAFE and SOON.
* this is just an exception insert, unfortunately it seems every army that has been deployed in Iraq has had some accusations of ill treatment, murder, torture or any other form of war crime against them. For the troops over there that act less than honourably I do not and will not support at all, they are just thugs, murderers and bastards with rifles. Incidents of this nature would probably increase if a draft were brought into effect, because any prisoner would be acted against resentfully, like they are the reason that person is here and if they just removed that reason......well you've seen and heard it in the news I don't have to explain further!
This is just my opinion, you don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but you have to respect that I am entitled to it as you all are to yours. Some of the basic freedoms we fought for in the First and Second World Wars so don't flame me! 
You have a God given right to be stupid. Please do not abuse this right!
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| Re: The draft! [message #281032 is a reply to message #280949] |
Sat, 25 August 2007 16:36 |
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i mean, when drafts do show up, its usually during a tatal war. yes, the draft was used during vietnam, but we didn't put all our resources in to it, so it wasn't TOTAL WAR.
*puts flame jacket on*
yes i made a mistake, but only a N00B tries to find every fault in what i said
next thing i know, you'll be correcting my grammar..
Edit: can i borrow your signature?
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| Re: The draft! [message #281059 is a reply to message #278492] |
Sat, 25 August 2007 19:43 |
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While I am against the war wholly and in everyway possible I will support my countries troops
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Tell me how you can support the troops but not what they're trying to accomplish. The "we support the troops but not the war" is the most senseless compaign I've ever heard. You either support them or you don't, this middle ground people try to stand on simply does not exist.
And about the definitions of war... I'm not entirely sure about Iraq, but in Afghanistan it's not a war because frankly we're not at war with anyone. Saying that we're at war with the Taliban is no different than saying the Police are at war with the Hells Angels. The ISAF is just what the name implies - a security assistance force - obviously there to assist the government in regaining control and rebuilding the country. "War" is nothing more than a term used by the media to grab our attention right now.
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