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| Re: The draft! [message #278698 is a reply to message #278670] |
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| NuNeGa wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 22:22 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 13:39 |
Although Canada isn't in Iraq, our troops are one of the largest forces keeping Afghanistan from total collapse.
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wait!!!! Hold up one second... canada has an army?
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I loled at that XD
| Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 15:33 |
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| Re: The draft! [message #278707 is a reply to message #278492] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 21:11 |
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If everyone did basic military training I think the world would run a lot smoother. But with that being said, I don't believe it's the right thing to do in a situation like this.
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wait!!!! Hold up one second... canada has an army?
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Britian has 3x as many forces in Afghanistan yet they won't push down into the southern regions to help Canada and the Netherlands. I would judge a country's military strength based on how they function, not just numbers.
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We have four 
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| Re: The draft! [message #278708 is a reply to message #278492] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 21:16 |
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As I said last night Canadacdn...
1. In the event of a draft within the next year or few, I will be in college, therefore having a legit excuse to NOT be drafted.
2. What that guy said was his opinion, that a draft would be great. The news is exploding all over it like it's gonna happen. It's not, and as luv2pb said, it never will. The only reason this guy thinks it's a good idea is because he's sittin out there with thousands of troops, and he's pissed that congress won't let Bush send any more.
3. The draft, aside from political reasons, will also not happen because of the already large numbers of men AND women enlisted in the military. It's simply not needed. In the event of some emergency, we can just call upon those already enlisted.
When considering political reasons, you'll note that almost all the presidential candidates, Republican and Democrat are for an end to the "war" (if you can call it that), so that by the time the draft gets around, the next president will just shoot it down.
Now I'd also like to bring up points that people already mentioned and further defend them.
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That's terrible that they signed up for the military and now they are being CRUELLY FORCED to do what the military does. They just wanted to rob the US government to pay for their education. IMPEACH BUSH.
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I like that he brings this up. People against the war say, oh look at our poor boys over there in Iraq, its so terrible that they have to be over there at a young age. But wait, they willingly signed up for the military. What did you think they signed up for? Now I'm sure there's some military personel that don't want to be over there, but know that it's their duty and accept it.
Eh it's late, I forgot what else I was gonna bring up, but I'll say this.
Sure I have plans for the future, college, job, wife n kids, and that's why I'm NOT joining the military. If the draft came around, it would mean there's some large emergency that threatens the safety of the U.S., at which point I'd have enough national pride to go proudly if I was drafted. Yea I had plans, but shit happens and there's nothin I can do about it.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278725 is a reply to message #278720] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 22:00 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 23:50 |
| Renx wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 00:11 |
If everyone did basic military training I think the world would run a lot smoother. But with that being said, I don't believe it's the right thing to do in a situation like this.
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I agree, I would love to do basic military training. I am just too lazy to get up and do it.
I am too lazy to get up and go to bed when I am tired. To put it in perspective.
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Like the kids who feel they need to talk back to the teachers ALL THE TIME. It's fun sometimes though. 
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| Re: The draft! [message #278727 is a reply to message #278725] |
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OMG I remember one teacher had the nerve to assign me an Oral Presentation project, that had to cover 3 topics. And made it due the NEXT day..
Then I come in, do it, and she has the nerve to tell me I was "unprepared" >_<
But it is all about the self control. Didn't want to start a big conflict, so I put it behind me.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278819 is a reply to message #278492] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 09:54 |
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I wish I could say I was a Republican... actually, I don't.
I'm a proud Libertarian, and I can no longer support this war when we are not doing anything to ensure that Iraq is going to even attempt to stand on their own two feet. Sorry, but America is not their crutch. We've given them plenty of time, and we're losing troops in a stalemate, and I, for one, am not going to be a pawn of our military. The draft WILL NOT happen. If Republicans know what's good for them (and I hope they do, as I still LOATHE Democrats), they will vote down any attempt for a draft. Even those supporting the war still will never go for it.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278821 is a reply to message #278819] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 10:00 |
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Bottom line is even if you don't support the war- You should still support our troops. And, if you don't agree with George W. Bush, you should still support him. He is the President of our great country, and it is a hard job. He needs all the support he can get.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278824 is a reply to message #278492] |
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Supporting your troops is COMPLETELY different than supporting the war. Also, I'm not going to keep supporting someone who makes mistakes simply because they're in a position of power. If you sit back, blindly following someone, you don't get the best results.
I'm not saying the presidency is easy, and anybody who can achieve that has my respect, but Bush would be better off as one of your drinking buddies than our President. I supported him for as long as I could, but he's stretched my patience way too thin.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278827 is a reply to message #278492] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 10:22 |
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Well, the Patriot Act is definitely one of them. Sure, it doesn't look bad on paper, but when you don't specify what the government can do, you let the powers be abused. Not to mention that I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my government could be looking over my shoulder all the time.
While I admire him being steadfast in his decisions with Iraq, he could also afford to change some of his strategies. He's not pressing the Iraqi government to progress, at all, but instead just throw in more troops and money into this "surge" that hasn't done near what it was supposed to. He needs to grow some balls with Iraq and threaten their puppet government with losing any and all support from our troops if they don't put forth the effort in preparing their troops and government for a solo fight.
I don't like the fact that he feels he can order Miers to defy a congressional subpoena to testify in court. Let's not forget about him ordering Rove not to testify, either.
Recently, I've changed my stance on stem cell research. While I will NEVER support abortion (I think it should be illegal), as long as it is legal, the embryos should be able to be used to further studies to cure diseases. As disgusted as I am by abortion, why not let this travesty be used to benefit others? Now that abortion is still legal, but certain stem cell research is, there's a lot of wasted potential.
Bush is supposed to support the shrinking of our government, not the expanding of it, yet here he is supporting the ignoring of our Bill of Rights.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278829 is a reply to message #278827] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 10:42 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 12:22 |
Well, the Patriot Act is definitely one of them. Sure, it doesn't look bad on paper, but when you don't specify what the government can do, you let the powers be abused. Not to mention that I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my government could be looking over my shoulder all the time.
While I admire him being steadfast in his decisions with Iraq, he could also afford to change some of his strategies. He's not pressing the Iraqi government to progress, at all, but instead just throw in more troops and money into this "surge" that hasn't done near what it was supposed to. He needs to grow some balls with Iraq and threaten their puppet government with losing any and all support from our troops if they don't put forth the effort in preparing their troops and government for a solo fight.
I don't like the fact that he feels he can order Miers to defy a congressional subpoena to testify in court. Let's not forget about him ordering Rove not to testify, either.
Recently, I've changed my stance on stem cell research. While I will NEVER support abortion (I think it should be illegal), as long as it is legal, the embryos should be able to be used to further studies to cure diseases. As disgusted as I am by abortion, why not let this travesty be used to benefit others? Now that abortion is still legal, but certain stem cell research is, there's a lot of wasted potential.
Bush is supposed to support the shrinking of our government, not the expanding of it, yet here he is supporting the ignoring of our Bill of Rights.
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You've done your research. I like the points you brought up.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278894 is a reply to message #278787] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 19:28 |
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| Ryu wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 12:09 |
| Renx wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 00:11 |
Britian has 3x as many forces in Afghanistan yet they won't push down into the southern regions to help Canada and the Netherlands. I would judge a country's military strength based on how they function, not just numbers.
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NL are fighting the war on "terrorism" too? lol
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The ISAF isn't "fighting terrorism." It's a force there to transfer control of the Afghan government away from the Taliban and back to Afghans who actually give a shit about their country and don't just want to sell opium to kids in our countries. The NL are one of the most active contributors.
It's the British and the Americans who are following on Canadian and NL led missions in Afghanistan, not the other way around. And it's us who get shit on by the villagers when we try to make promises because the "more powerful" countries didn't keep the promoises they made 3 years ago when they came.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278900 is a reply to message #278827] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 20:17 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 13:22 |
Well, the Patriot Act is definitely one of them. Sure, it doesn't look bad on paper, but when you don't specify what the government can do, you let the powers be abused. Not to mention that I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my government could be looking over my shoulder all the time.
While I admire him being steadfast in his decisions with Iraq, he could also afford to change some of his strategies. He's not pressing the Iraqi government to progress, at all, but instead just throw in more troops and money into this "surge" that hasn't done near what it was supposed to. He needs to grow some balls with Iraq and threaten their puppet government with losing any and all support from our troops if they don't put forth the effort in preparing their troops and government for a solo fight.
I don't like the fact that he feels he can order Miers to defy a congressional subpoena to testify in court. Let's not forget about him ordering Rove not to testify, either.
Recently, I've changed my stance on stem cell research. While I will NEVER support abortion (I think it should be illegal), as long as it is legal, the embryos should be able to be used to further studies to cure diseases. As disgusted as I am by abortion, why not let this travesty be used to benefit others? Now that abortion is still legal, but certain stem cell research is, there's a lot of wasted potential.
Bush is supposed to support the shrinking of our government, not the expanding of it, yet here he is supporting the ignoring of our Bill of Rights.
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Just shut the fuck up and GTFO. You're annoying "libertarianism" is annoying the piss out of me. You're "I want to walk the middle of the line" bullshit so "I'm never wrong" is getting on my nerves.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278904 is a reply to message #278900] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 20:44 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 23:17 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 13:22 |
Well, the Patriot Act is definitely one of them. Sure, it doesn't look bad on paper, but when you don't specify what the government can do, you let the powers be abused. Not to mention that I would rather die in a terrorist attack than know that my government could be looking over my shoulder all the time.
While I admire him being steadfast in his decisions with Iraq, he could also afford to change some of his strategies. He's not pressing the Iraqi government to progress, at all, but instead just throw in more troops and money into this "surge" that hasn't done near what it was supposed to. He needs to grow some balls with Iraq and threaten their puppet government with losing any and all support from our troops if they don't put forth the effort in preparing their troops and government for a solo fight.
I don't like the fact that he feels he can order Miers to defy a congressional subpoena to testify in court. Let's not forget about him ordering Rove not to testify, either.
Recently, I've changed my stance on stem cell research. While I will NEVER support abortion (I think it should be illegal), as long as it is legal, the embryos should be able to be used to further studies to cure diseases. As disgusted as I am by abortion, why not let this travesty be used to benefit others? Now that abortion is still legal, but certain stem cell research is, there's a lot of wasted potential.
Bush is supposed to support the shrinking of our government, not the expanding of it, yet here he is supporting the ignoring of our Bill of Rights.
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Just shut the fuck up and GTFO. You're annoying "libertarianism" is annoying the piss out of me. You're "I want to walk the middle of the line" bullshit so "I'm never wrong" is getting on my nerves.
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Libertarianism has NOTHING to do with "walking the middle of the line". I'm still what some would consider to be "Republitarian" which, as the name suggests, is still conservative.
None of what I said in what you quoted is irrational, at all. Give me one good reason why I should give up my freedoms so some other half-wit feels safe? Why should I support a war that I would never dream of fighting, especially if there's no real progress? Sure, we're not losing as many liberals would like to claim, but we're certainly not forcing Iraq to stand on their own. Disallowing for stem-cell research doesn't deter women from getting abortions. The whole idea of an abortion is so self-important that the women don't dare think outside of their realm of comfort, so why should others have to suffer when there could be some progresses made?
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| Re: The draft! [message #278914 is a reply to message #278492] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 21:20 |
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I'll say this in fear of changing the topic's subject matter: You can get stem cells from places other than embryos you know. They're present in full grown adult people.
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