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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268544 is a reply to message #268518] |
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Canadacdn
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Give it a few more days then we'll have a vote.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268575 is a reply to message #268570] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 17:59 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 19:37 |
none of them are good choices, Herr owns jelly 2 so we already know his opionon on the matter
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 19:37 |
and EWD, well hes not exactly the best player around.
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You said I'm not exactly the best player around based on a series of games all of which I won and in which you banned me for cheating when I wasn't, so how about you don't try to be the judge of that?
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268636 is a reply to message #268575] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 23:33 |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 02:59 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 19:37 |
and EWD, well hes not exactly the best player around.
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You said I'm not exactly the best player around based on a series of games all of which I won and in which you banned me for cheating when I wasn't, so how about you don't try to be the judge of that?
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At least EWD doesn't dodge...
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268638 is a reply to message #267897] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 23:41 |
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Please remember that the ladder team will be attempting to decide which numbers are the best indicators of skill and weighting them accordingly, and also trying to figure out the best way to minimize the effects of people playing hundreds of games to place beyond their own skill level.
In theory, there shouldn't be any politics or agendas involved in this whole process, but I decided that we should form the team this way just to make sure that it doesn't happen. It has been asked of me to involve the community in large decisions and I believe that this is a good way to do it.
That said, can we PLEASE stay on topic? You will have the opportunity to argue about the candidates soon.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268645 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 02:12 |
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if the person you are looking for is just having to give suggestions to how you can improve the method of getting a number that can determine rank, i'd nominate myself...
edit: i've already come up with one formula that looks like it could show skill, teamwork, and dosnt guarentee someone who's played 1000s of games top-spot...
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268646 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 02:53 |
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Yes, THAT'S all we're looking for. I believe strongly that there are people with varying opinions on what denotes skill. Is it K/D ratio? Score? Points? Vehicles killed? What? We have to come to a consensus for the official (yes, official) ladder and Spoony and I are constructing what I feel (and as far as I know, he agrees) will be a group that will best represent the interests of the community, the whole Renegade community, and come up with something that will work.
And yes, we may have to tweak it. We may screw up the first time, or the 8th time, but we hope to get it right for you all, one way or another.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268662 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 05:04 |
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ok, then, here is it:
(((TS + 2(TR)) / GP) * ((K + R) / (D + N))) * KDR
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TS = Total Score
TR =Total repaired
GP = Games Played
K = Kills
D = Deaths
R = Recommendations
N = N00bs (Anti - Recommendations)
KDR = Kill/Death Ratio
This takes into account alot of things, and since it needs the average score per game, then someone who has player 1000 games only getting 50 points per game could be on the bottom, as opposed to someone who got 1000 points across 2 games (500 average) would likely be higher...
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268664 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 05:13 |
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As I understand it there is already a representative from Jelly included in the existing 6? but there isn't anyone from BI?
Is that correct, if so that makes the vote pretty simple imo - seems that BI should be involved considering all the work they have been doing.
(Yes I know it's supposed to be individual views regardless of which communities/clans people come from but I can't help feeling that each person will carry views from the people they associate with)
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268666 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 05:15 |
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i think that instead of having the 7th member community elected, you ask for a wider range by just asking the community for their opinions on it, and people can give their opinions like i have been doing ( )
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268674 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 06:35 |
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That's one horrible formula there, Ancient...
For starters: I haven't known a single really decent player with a huge kdr because good players do suicide missions a lot (engineers vs tanks).
You're favorising bigger or marathon games because you're not taking in account the game time (obviously amount of points should be divided by game time and not by amount of games played).
Recs and n00bs are stored in a local database. an be abused.
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OK, let's not stat this discussion here
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268685 is a reply to message #268570] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 08:50 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 19:37 |
Herr owns jelly 2 so we already know his opionon on the matter
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Huh? Lost me there.
Btw, I understand it will be based on votes? I don't think I'll get through considering Im usually only active in server-owner and brenbot sections and the forum people do not really know me around here. But we'll see anyway.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268688 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 10:02 |
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The reason that we're not asking the community as a whole to discuss this is because it could easily go on for months with no resolution, more feelings hurt, more flame wars, more going off topic. 7 people who represent the community as a whole will be much easier to manage and listen to.
"Recs" and "n00bs" are not an option here because they are a feature of a bot, not the FDS software itself.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268695 is a reply to message #268688] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 10:26 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 18:02 |
The reason that we're not asking the community as a whole to discuss this is because it could easily go on for months with no resolution, more feelings hurt, more flame wars, more going off topic. 7 people who represent the community as a whole will be much easier to manage and listen to.
"Recs" and "n00bs" are not an option here because they are a feature of a bot, not the FDS software itself.
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When you put it like that...
I nominate myself!
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268702 is a reply to message #268695] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 11:24 |
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so noted. Are you known better by any other name, because forgive me if I don't recognise "Ancient_and_forever"
How about this:
Once we have the team decided, we'll no doubt have a forum section devoted to the ladder. The community as a whole can make whatever suggestions they feel like there, but the team of 7 decides if and how to implement them...?
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268709 is a reply to message #267897] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 12:40 |
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agian, nothing agianst herr, but he is the most likely to be biased, and if im right is saying so he thinks the current ladder system is setup fine so bigger player servers give out more points? thats the thing, hes FROM jelly and its in their best intrests to keep the system as closely the same as possible to the current WOL one, so he has the biggest chance out of everyone to have some bias. And that the17doctor guy, sure he can up with some kind of random formula, but having the idea isnt what matters, it having the gameplay experience and know what works how to actually get a relible and fair system up and running 
with that said, cant wait to argue over the candidates..
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268713 is a reply to message #268711] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 13:06 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 20:54 |
Stop talking. We're not voting yet. You don't see any other bad sports talking bad about you, so why do you talk bad about other people?
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i assume you mean me?
COs if you do, re-read troop's post...
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268714 is a reply to message #268709] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 13:11 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 21:40 |
agian, nothing agianst herr, but he is the most likely to be biased, and if im right is saying so he thinks the current ladder system is setup fine so bigger player servers give out more points? thats the thing, hes FROM jelly and its in their best intrests to keep the system as closely the same as possible to the current WOL one, so he has the biggest chance out of everyone to have some bias. And that the17doctor guy, sure he can up with some kind of random formula, but having the idea isnt what matters, it having the gameplay experience and know what works how to actually get a relible and fair system up and running
with that said, cant wait to argue over the candidates..
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Well, you don't have any game experience either, seeing how you dodge and let your clanmates cheat. Or was that you cheating :/?
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268715 is a reply to message #268714] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 13:12 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 21:11 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 21:40 |
agian, nothing agianst herr, but he is the most likely to be biased, and if im right is saying so he thinks the current ladder system is setup fine so bigger player servers give out more points? thats the thing, hes FROM jelly and its in their best intrests to keep the system as closely the same as possible to the current WOL one, so he has the biggest chance out of everyone to have some bias. And that the17doctor guy, sure he can up with some kind of random formula, but having the idea isnt what matters, it having the gameplay experience and know what works how to actually get a relible and fair system up and running
with that said, cant wait to argue over the candidates..
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Well, you don't have any game experience either, seeing how you dodge and let your clanmates cheat. Or was that you cheating :/?
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hmm...i'd expect it to be both 
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