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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242197] Tue, 30 January 2007 04:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Server-side simply can't block all cheats, period.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242221] Tue, 30 January 2007 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As Crimson said, there are some cheats which can *only* be detected client side, mostly memory hacks like full radar and stealth reveal.

RG is far from useless, as the logs show that it blocks dozens of cheaters every-single-day. Yes there are currently bypasses out, but ironically some people are just smart enough to download a cheat but are unable to find the public bypasses.

RG 1.04 will likely be bypassed at some point, but we have built the system to allow easy updates. Just because an update is needed from time to time doesn't make the software useless...doesn't your virus scanner software update every day? Do you then email Norton, etc and tell them that their software is useless? They get PAID to block malicious things and they still have to operate mostly in reactive mode. We are doing the best we can to stop all the cheats that are available, using most of our free time and own money, and we will continue to do so, despite your apparent lack of appreciation and trust. Razz

[Updated on: Tue, 30 January 2007 08:02]

Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242269] Tue, 30 January 2007 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey, it's just stupid to expect an anti-virus to stop all the viruses, future and present, without having to update.(Unless it's a sledgehammer) And it's also silly to put that idea onto an anti-cheat program like RenG.

Sure, it's not perfect, but its a flaw to expect that anything will be. If you ask me, the RenG team is doing a damn good job, and online play is significantly safer because of them. I applaud their efforts and wish them nothing but good luck as they test the new version.
Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242373] Tue, 30 January 2007 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Blazer wrote on Tue, 30 January 2007 09:58

Do you then email Norton, etc and tell them that their software is useless?


BUT their software IS useless Razz


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242506] Wed, 31 January 2007 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't mean to be a pain in the ass but ... uhhhh ... it's the end of the month.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242559] Wed, 31 January 2007 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had to extend the deadline a few days because our schedules didn't mesh for testing. There have been hundreds of lines of code committed in the past few weeks and hours of work almost every single day. I will update you as soon as I have something.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242568] Wed, 31 January 2007 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 15:36

I had to extend the deadline a few days because our schedules didn't mesh for testing. There have been hundreds of lines of code committed in the past few weeks and hours of work almost every single day. I will update you as soon as I have something.


So it'll be done by the end of next month? 29 days from now?


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242611] Wed, 31 January 2007 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it takes them that long to get RenGuard 1.04 into private beta testing, then they will not be getting the promised rewards. In order to get the rewards, they only have a few days left. The RenGuard 1.032 beta test is going very well. We sent out Beta 2 yesterday and it's worked very well for our x64/Win2k/Vista users. We're hoping Beta 3 will resolve the problems we had with false positive results on Radar hack.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242618] Wed, 31 January 2007 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 01 February 2007 14:55

If it takes them that long to get RenGuard 1.04 into private beta testing, then they will not be getting the promised rewards.

Is that wise? I see a temptation to declare it ready too early in order to profit.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242625] Wed, 31 January 2007 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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light wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 20:32

Crimson wrote on Thu, 01 February 2007 14:55

If it takes them that long to get RenGuard 1.04 into private beta testing, then they will not be getting the promised rewards.

Is that wise? I see a temptation to declare it ready too early in order to profit.

I'm sure testing would reveal that sort of thing.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242661] Thu, 01 February 2007 02:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cmatt42 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2007 16:06

light wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 20:32

Crimson wrote on Thu, 01 February 2007 14:55

If it takes them that long to get RenGuard 1.04 into private beta testing, then they will not be getting the promised rewards.

Is that wise? I see a temptation to declare it ready too early in order to profit.

I'm sure testing would reveal that sort of thing.

Testing of 1.3 didn't find the Win2k issues, so you'll forgive me for being cautious.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242749] Thu, 01 February 2007 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We tested 1.03 on about 120 different computers. I imagine 1.032's public beta will draw even more participants than that.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #242750] Thu, 01 February 2007 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can assure you it has me, and I count for two different PCs.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243452] Mon, 05 February 2007 06:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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so, update?


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243454] Mon, 05 February 2007 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243484] Mon, 05 February 2007 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And the sardines are on the floor.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243617] Mon, 05 February 2007 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243625] Mon, 05 February 2007 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't even know why they would release renguard if it did have problems with Windows 2000 if allot of users used it when it first came out? I don't even know how it doesn't run on 2000, people like fl00d3d run renguard, and they run 2000. What the hell?


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243630] Mon, 05 February 2007 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My father just installed Windows 2000 on his computer from having Windows ME, and I installed Renegade and Renguard on it only to find out that Renguard doesn't work on Windows 2000.

Do you guys (talking to the BHS team) have any remote idea as to why it works and doesn't work on Windows 2000 platforms?


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243660] Mon, 05 February 2007 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tpa69, someone I play with on a regular basis, has a 64bit (windows) laptop and never once had a problem with RG. The people who know me can tell you we play together all the time as well. Don't know why or how but thought I would throw that in there.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243709] Tue, 06 February 2007 04:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dave Anderson wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 19:17

My father just installed Windows 2000 on his computer from having Windows ME, and I installed Renegade and Renguard on it only to find out that Renguard doesn't work on Windows 2000.

Do you guys (talking to the BHS team) have any remote idea as to why it works and doesn't work on Windows 2000 platforms?

It just doesn't work well with SVKP.

If I remember correctly, this update will address the 2000/64-bit issue. Be glad it's being fixed earlier than planned. Smile


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243734] Tue, 06 February 2007 06:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is still in beta testing. We're currently testing Beta 2 and I'm awaiting Beta 3 any time now. To the best of my knowledge, Beta 2 is working on all OS'es with only a couple users having problems, but all players are getting occasional false positives on radar hack detection.

RenGuard 1.04 is still on track. The backend network was brought up to the mark it needed to be at by the deadline that I set. Some of the feedback from the RenGuard 1.032 beta test is being duplicated into the 1.04 client, and some other rewrites are taking place for the client as well. The guys have been putting in several hours nearly every day this month getting the network stable and free of memory leaks. Progress is going very well.


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #243755] Tue, 06 February 2007 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*wishes he could help*

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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #244209] Thu, 08 February 2007 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's a really BIG Signature there CarrierII ... Big Grin


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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #244246] Thu, 08 February 2007 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Sorry to be impatient Crimson, any word yet? Also, where can u download that beta version, or can I?


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