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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217691 is a reply to message #217656] |
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For the record, fl00d3d NEVER told us that you were trying to steal everyone's nicknames or whatever. I know that you are in the habit of ripping people's work off without giving credit. Not only did you steal Nightma12's crap content and introduce ever more typos, but then you ripped off a website template that someone designed and changed the credit to your name. (I know this because I happen to use the same exact layout for my blog but I left the credit on there)
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217715 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:09 |
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I apologize for my fashionably late entry into this discussion. I promised a lot of people I would be up and about at 12 noon my time, and here I am about 5hrs late.  Apparently there has been a huge discussion about me while I was gone so I will defend all my point here.
1- There is a thread about this in the server owners discussion for anyone interested in reading some of the details which I will repeat here.
2- "Teh-pwnerer" (stolen) aka. "Iccytouch" (stolen) aka. "Animosity" (stolen) has a habit -as Crimson has so kindly pointed out to support me- of stealing other people's ideas.
3- When I first started talking with this guy (herein referred to by his first name 'Greg'), he told me that he was 23 years old. I am 25. It wasn't until after the merger was complete that he admitted to me that he was 15 (which I have recently learned from his friend/new Co-owner of RenCorner that he is younger than that). At that point I was hesitant, but since he admitted it to me I decided to give him another chance. Being so young I inquired about how he ran his "business" and even offered to send legal paperwork to his parents.
4- He claims that he had no interest in taking Kamuix's serials but he does. Since this issue has been addressed (server owners thread) I do not feel the need to discuss it any further.
5- He suggests that I am somehow associated with the UDP flooding of his server without considering the fact I was one of the people that was openly discussing possible ways of helping server owners fix the problem months ago. Your accusation is about as retarded as people saying BHS makes cheats.
6- I left you. And I have the MSN conversation and two witnesses to prove it (Justin Schultz was on MSN before I left, during my message to you on MSN, and after - and I was talking to him the whole time I was doing it. My fiancee who lives with me was also awake and next to me on her computer when I was going through all of this and she was witness to it.) I left almost 12 hours before you even KNEW I was going to leave. YOu have some balls to lie about that.
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9/1/2006 11:06:50 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer why are the passwords changed
9/1/2006 11:09:14 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer I'm *VERY* irritated with you right now. You changed the passwords and locked me and Amunra out intentionally. If I can't get in by midnight you'll be working alone tomorrow. This is straight up BULLSHIT
9/1/2006 11:15:04 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer Forget it dude
9/1/2006 11:15:08 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer you're on your own.
9/1/2006 11:15:44 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer I'm sick of this shit......between your financial issues, the lack of trust, locking me out, making decisions on your own, lack of professionalism, immaturity in tsunami ... it's just got to me
9/1/2006 11:15:49 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer Do not send me any money. I do not want it.
9/1/2006 11:16:00 PM fl00d3d (F) Teh-Pwnerer I have locked you out of everything and you are no longer welcome. Bye!
9/2/2006 10:59:42 AM (F) Teh-Pwnerer fl00d3d Well, thanks for nothing, have fun with your community, don't ever talk to me again, I hope you starve to death. And I want my $30 to go into teh-pwn0r@hotmail.com now. Failure to comply will result in me contacting paypal and taking this to the fullest extent of the law. Thanks.
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7- The $30 payment he's referring to is a payment made by JSchultz to my PayPal. I asked Justin what he wanted me to do with it, and he said 'keep it'.
8- I have an old paypal account that hasn't been used in awhile. It had a negative balance of about $122 when I entered into this relationship with him. He agreed to bring the balance back to zero in exchange for joint use of the account since I had a paypal debit card associated with it.
9- I recently moved FROM Maryland to Illinois because of a pretty serious family issue - and moved back TO Maryland about 2 months ago. This left my fiancee and I without jobs, and we were being watched over by her father which generously provided us with the necessities for the last couple of months. I explained most of this to Greg and he offered $50 so that I could get my own food so I didn't have to bother my fiancee's father. The fact that he's going this low in a public forum is a true testament to his immaturity.
10- When we were still together he was creating a Rencorner website and Frontlines website even though we agreed to use the Tsunami website and a new "CWN" website for business. This caught my suspicions and when I left him a few days later I removed any work that I had done to his RenCorner website and forums. He asks you to compare communities and as you will notice I have a fully developed community with 4 clans (one of which just joined the other day) and a series of active forums. When you look at Rencorner you see mostly two people talking to eachother ... himself and his friend "Kry" (Tyler).
That about sums up my side of the story.
I would also like to add, however, a few more things to consider: I have the confidence of a lot of people in this community - whereas he does not. I went to the server owners forum a few days after the split to "courtesy notify" other server owners of some of the issue related to this and NEVER made a single post or "anti-Greg" post/comment in the public area for anyone to see. He has now done just that.
j_ball430, you also have quite a few things to say about me yet you and I have never had interaction before. You do not know me nor do you know much about me. I am not going to go off and flame you for some of the ignorant things you said because I am hoping that this post will clear any questions you had in your mind.
Summary:
--fl00d3d goes to buy server from 'someone'
--'someone' says he is 23 years old and wants to do business with fl00d3d
--fl00d3d and 'someone' do business, then it comes out that 'someone' is actually 15
--fl00d3d forgives 'someone' because he came clean unprompted and seemed determined to clean up his act
--'someone' continued to be unprofessional and irresponsible so fl00d3d left him
And the whole time I was in regular dialog with Crimson and other server owners.
His post is just a ridiculous lie and exaggeration, in an attempt to save him some face in the community.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217719 is a reply to message #217715] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:25 |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 18:09 |
j_ball430, you also have quite a few things to say about me yet you and I have never had interaction before. You do not know me nor do you know much about me. I am not going to go off and flame you for some of the ignorant things you said because I am hoping that this post will clear any questions you had in your mind.
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Recap of what I've said:
- some random online idiot
- i wouldn't trust anything you say
- something's not quite right about merging/associating with a 14/15 year old
- i feel sorry for those who associate with you
I think every random person that I hear of is some online idiot until I know differently. Be it fair or not, that's how it works. It doesn't take a lot to change my mind, albeit.
If I don't know you, why would I trust what you (or Teh-Pwnerer) have to say?
A 25 y/o being "business partners" (or whatever you'd like to call it) with a 15 y/o. Granted, you didn't know the true information, but if you go anything indepth with someone, you better know more personal information than just what one says.
I said assuming that Pwnerer was telling the truth. Obviously I only knew the tip of the iceberg when he mentioned that you asked him for money. That was just a conclusion I came to based off of that slight information. Knowing 15 year-olds, I don't tend to accept what they say is fact. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding with that.
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Edit: After reading your post, I have this to say:
Disclaimer: These are no attacks on your character. Simply questions I have.
Why would you offer joint use of a PayPal account attached to a debit card? I've been running networks/communities with xptek for a couple years now, and neither of us have access to anything of the sort. Even if he was to offer me money in exchange for access... especially $122. I have far more than that in my bank account, and I wouldn't dare dream of allowing someone to have an indirect access to it through PayPal.
Why would you give a 15 year old another chance regardless of his "coming clean"? This deals with money, and I'd be scared shitless to know that a 15 year old has access to my money.
Lastly, moving sucks when you have to go such a distance, but why leave without abtaining jobs first? I'm planning on a big move, but I am forcing myself to secure a job before I move. *shrug*
As for Greg, I'd just wash my hands of him. His credibility quickly fell apart in this thread. I gave too much belief into his original post, but that ended quickly. His accusations dissolved.
Worry about your community and your life more than some random rich, spoiled 15 y/o who has yet to mature.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217721 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:31 |
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You kept on saying to everyone, that I am here to steal Tsunami-Alliance's "Community Ideas" whereas, in my community, we don't run ANYTHING close to what you have, nor do I want to. The #1 reason that *he has left me* or *i have left him* is because RenCorner was shutdown during the merge process, I was very pissed off, he was calm, during the merge process, he has begun to get pissed off more and more everday, which begun to be very irritating, and so I have decided to *ignore* him a bit every day, because I was sick and tired of how things were running since we have merged. Now that RenCorner is back up, obviously I won't be accepting / making any *new* merges, because I have enough of this. Instead I have teamed up with Justin, who has paid fl00d3d $30, my $30 which I have ran Justin's server through. And I would like that $30 back because I have earned it through hosting. fl00d3d, this has nothing to do with our communities, or our businesses, it is about you telling people about me trying to hijack serials, which is untrue. Ask Kamuix, I had to buy him a whole box for the nick. So if I am accused of serial hijacking, just as Kamuix, he has never supplied me or anyone with a legit serial to his login[s]. If I would have had his serial, obviously he would know, and he would tell the Administrators of XWIS / BHS, and they would ban me from everywhere they can. Kamuix is not stupid, he would know the right thing to do. fl00d3d, do not start any bullshit which isn't true, because obviously, exegeration is not one of my things. Everything that I have posted was true, about you, and the server attacks, is true. You said you would tell everyone about my real age, which I have mentioned myself above, and that I was planning on stealing serials from Kamuix. I wanted to make this clear to everyone before anyone does blame me for shit that never happened. I can provide screenshots to the logs of him saying he would try his best to get me screwed over via hijacking serials. 
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217722 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:35 |
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A 25 y/o being "business partners" (or whatever you'd like to call it) with a 15 y/o. Granted, you didn't know the true information, but if you go anything indepth with someone, you better know more personal information than just what one says.
I said assuming that Pwnerer was telling the truth. Obviously I only knew the tip of the iceberg when he mentioned that you asked him for money. That was just a conclusion I came to based off of that slight information. Knowing 15 year-olds, I don't tend to accept what they say is fact. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding with that.
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I couldn't have said it better. You should have known the consinquences merging with a kid 10 years younger then you. I am not here to say you made a bad dicision, but the guy is right, you should know me better if you would have made atleast a community merge. It was your suggestion to merge right away since I first talked to you on MSN. So I cannot take ALL the responsibility for your actions.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217723 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:35 |
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Well when someone calls me an idiot and personally attacks me like you did I'm obviously going to get upset. I don't go around calling people idiots unless they prove to be one.
It wasn't the best decision in the world to try and do 'business' (not really business, but joint community work, since it isnt a licensed business). But in my defense I was lied to up front about his age and when he confessed I felt more sympathy than I probably should have.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217725 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:43 |
fl00d3d
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When I left you I said "best of luck" and could have given a shit less what happened to you. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole every time you post, and here is why:
1- Are you finally admitting that I did leave you? Why did you lie to the community? Or were you just caught in a lie?
2- Don't even try to blame me for attacking your servers. I'm not even going to suggest a screenshot or some kind of proof because even if you could figure out how, you'd have to doctor it because there is no way in hell that an adult and professional analyst like myself would kiddy-script attack your silly gameserver.
3- The $30 was sent to me, in my personal paypal, from Justin Schultz, and Justin Schultz told me to keep it. So it will not be returned. Regardless of what kind of story you want to wrap around it. But in regards to that story, you may want to ask Justin how he feels about it rather than speaking on his behalf.
4- My community has a lot to offer. And you have always been jealous of it. Originally you were to have a high position of authority but I didn't see that was appropriate for someone of your age and under some of the circumstances so I gave you a moderate one. And you still pissed people off. What do you have to benefit from creating the EXACT forums that I had? Because you did it. And I had to remove it the night that I left you. You DID try to copy me. Not to mention you have a compulsive addiction to copying others. That's proof enough right there.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217726 is a reply to message #217723] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:44 |
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Well when someone calls me an idiot and personally attacks me like you did I'm obviously going to get upset. I don't go around calling people idiots unless they prove to be one.
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Why get upset over something some random online person says? Especially since they don't know you. I may just include the unknown people into the category of "idiot", but once I have some contact with said person, I usually change my mind... unless, of course, the person is, indeed, an idiot.
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It wasn't the best decision in the world to try and do 'business' (not really business, but joint community work, since it isnt a licensed business). But in my defense I was lied to up front about his age and when he confessed I felt more sympathy than I probably should have.
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You really should be ruthless when it deals with money. A 15 y/o touching my money? That should throw up a red flag regardless of sympathy. I know what it's like to want to forgive someone and believe them, but when my money's involved... hell no. o_O
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217730 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 15:56 |
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I think what he meant is that the PayPal account had a debit card, as in, a debit card that took from the paypal account. I have two of them myself. You have to have a good standing with PayPal to get one, so if he had an account with one, it was worth trying to keep.
fl00d3d is completely in the rights to defend himself here because he's trying to run a company selling game servers and when someone attacks his reputation, he has a responsibility to defend it.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217733 is a reply to message #217719] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 16:04 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 18:25 |
Edit: After reading your post, I have this to say:
Disclaimer: These are no attacks on your character. Simply questions I have.
Why would you offer joint use of a PayPal account attached to a debit card? I've been running networks/communities with xptek for a couple years now, and neither of us have access to anything of the sort. Even if he was to offer me money in exchange for access... especially $122. I have far more than that in my bank account, and I wouldn't dare dream of allowing someone to have an indirect access to it through PayPal.
Why would you give a 15 year old another chance regardless of his "coming clean"? This deals with money, and I'd be scared shitless to know that a 15 year old has access to my money.
Lastly, moving sucks when you have to go such a distance, but why leave without abtaining jobs first? I'm planning on a big move, but I am forcing myself to secure a job before I move. *shrug*
As for Greg, I'd just wash my hands of him. His credibility quickly fell apart in this thread. I gave too much belief into his original post, but that ended quickly. His accusations dissolved.
Worry about your community and your life more than some random rich, spoiled 15 y/o who has yet to mature.
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After going back and noticing your edit, I find it necessary (in defense of myself) to answer your questions as I have nothing to hide.
--Crimson hit a good point about paypal debit cards. You have to maintin a good standing with PayPal to get and retain one. It's simply a method of withdrawing funds from your paypal in a manner similiar to a debit card at a bank account. Very convenient for online payments (such as business). I gave him limited access becasue my account is a business paypal and there is a multi-user access control feature for business paypal accounts.
--Again, dealing with a kid was a stupid mistake. Since there was no legal paperwork and I was not puting any of my personal money into this up front I felt it was worth the risk. In the end I lost nothing, so I guess whats done is done and life moves on.
--When I moved to IL it was a sudden move back to my hometown (I ended up in MD after being honorably discharged from the military). I worked for my father doing manual labor -- something outside of my field--- just to put food on my table. When I moved back to MD my fiancee had a job lined up, which fell through. Now she's back on track and money is flowing.
--I am washing my hands clean of him, but as discussed in the server owners thread about this, there were a few issues that needed to be said. But, yes, I am completely done with him and it is to his disadvantage. "Whatever, life moves on". ** But Greg, don't come here and try to bash me and make up complete lies. ** That is what has me irritated right now...
Thank you for your considerations, jball I'm glad we are seeing more eye-to-eye now.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217734 is a reply to message #217656] |
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Teh-Pwnerer ...you have some damn balls. There is *NO* reason that my name should have been brought into this.
From what I saw, watching fl00d deal with all this on a daily basis, he was lied to on several occasions, manipulated and disrespected.
He decided to try and help you out and you fucked him over.
Let's get another record straight: the house WE live in is OUR house, I don't support anyone, fl00d supports himself and I simply help out in the community as much as possible. And keep my parents out of this as well...I haven't eaten out of their hand since I was 17...moved out on my OWN and got a job of my OWN.
You want to talk business? I'm highly trained in business/communications and you certainly don't run a business effectively. In order to do so, one must maintain integrity, honesty and trust. Word is bond, not something to manipulate.
I chose to be with fl00d because he possesses such credentials, in addition to being a very strong and intelligent individual. I'd do business with him on Wall Street on any day of the week.
fl00d is 25...about 10 years experience on "Iccy." Nuff said.
Bring my name into this one more time...I'm not a person to fuck with.
~I love my fl00d3d!~
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217735 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 16:06 |
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I will be contacting Justin. Since he is now Co-Owner of *our* business, he will obviously want the $30 back. But back to topic..
I never accused you of attacking my servers, obviously anyone with your knowledge of security is smart enough not to attack servers under any circumstances. Since I believe my point in making this thread has been reached, this thread should be closed. As for fl00d3d and j_ball430, take your fight somewhere else since j_ball430 has nothing to do with this arguement, except commenting / suggestions, etc. Thanks.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217739 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 16:16 |
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As for the edit made by j_ball430...
My point in this thread was to clear some rumors that were going around, about exposing the people that were attacking my people (still to be proven) and to say that fl00d3d has been starting rumors that I was planning on hijacking serials (solved)
I have made my point, and I believe the rest of this shit was *added onto* the subject.
I would like to apologize to Metal Vixen for her name being pointed out in this discussion, which shouldn't have been in the first place. As for fl00d3d, I really don't care about any of this shit, as it has unnafected me emotionaly, physically, and finicially. What has been said, was said, and when I come up with some kind of more proof of who has been attacking my server, will be shown later on.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217740 is a reply to message #217733] |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 19:04 |
After going back and noticing your edit, I find it necessary (in defense of myself) to answer your questions as I have nothing to hide.
--Crimson hit a good point about paypal debit cards. You have to maintin a good standing with PayPal to get and retain one. It's simply a method of withdrawing funds from your paypal in a manner similiar to a debit card at a bank account. Very convenient for online payments (such as business). I gave him limited access becasue my account is a business paypal and there is a multi-user access control feature for business paypal accounts.
--Again, dealing with a kid was a stupid mistake. Since there was no legal paperwork and I was not puting any of my personal money into this up front I felt it was worth the risk. In the end I lost nothing, so I guess whats done is done and life moves on.
--When I moved to IL it was a sudden move back to my hometown (I ended up in MD after being honorably discharged from the military). I worked for my father doing manual labor -- something outside of my field--- just to put food on my table. When I moved back to MD my fiancee had a job lined up, which fell through. Now she's back on track and money is flowing.
--I am washing my hands clean of him, but as discussed in the server owners thread about this, there were a few issues that needed to be said. But, yes, I am completely done with him and it is to his disadvantage. "Whatever, life moves on". ** But Greg, don't come here and try to bash me and make up complete lies. ** That is what has me irritated right now...
Thank you for your considerations, jball I'm glad we are seeing more eye-to-eye now.
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I was wondering if that's what having a PayPal debit card meant, but I figured it might have been similar to the setup that I have. I have my account connected to my bank account (and credit card, so instant tranfers), so if I was to have a debit card, it'd be linked to my bank account, wouldn't it? I'm guessing that I kind of figured that might have been the case, too.
From what I gathered, I figured that there was dealing with finances in your association with him. That was my mistake. I can see the willingness to forgive and forget under those circumstances.
I bet that to be fun. Glad to see you're back on your feet.
I understand the obligation to dispel these rumors. I would do the same if I was in that position. Ignoring public issues isn't that great of an idea.
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| Re: Some Bullshit I would Like to Clear [message #217743 is a reply to message #217656] |
Wed, 06 September 2006 16:24 |
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As for fl00d3d saying I am lieng.....
Erm, I havn't lied anything mentioned here, and I don't want to go over it, but if you need me to do it, I will, because my stories will never change, and will never be made up of Fiction. Thanks.
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