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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196059 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whenever I hear about these idiotic conspiracy theories, I just remember that my own boyfriend (whom you all know as Blazer), LIVED in Arlington, Virginia on September 11th and he actually, with his own eyes, saw the low-flying plane right before it struck the Pentagon. He lived in a high-rise building of condominiums on one of the upper floors and had a nice view of the city. He said the plane was so close that he probably could have seen the pilot and passengers (if it weren't going so fast, I assume).

So, say what you like, but just remember that you're calling Blazer a liar.


I'm the bawss.

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196069 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not going to vouch for the accuracy of this site, but it does explore what myths have arrisen from 9/11

http://www.911myths.com/
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196072 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anyone else watched Loose Change?

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196094 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Somehow, retarded just does not adequately describe this thread. Besides, George Bush can barely eat a pretzel without a trip to the ER. I doubt his ability to organize the demolition of multiple skyscrapers. This thread makes evolution seem logical.

...having your sig flip people off doesn't help your case either.

By the way, we're talking about terrorists. Whose to say they didn't have a little 'boost' from their luggage?

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196097 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I want the engineering and critical analysis doctorate from the guy who did Loose Change.

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196099 is a reply to message #196094] Thu, 13 April 2006 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Phase 9 wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 18:53

This thread makes evolution seem logical.


Let's be friends.
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196100 is a reply to message #196099] Thu, 13 April 2006 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mrpirate wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 19:00


Let's be friends.



Uh, okay. (?)
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196110 is a reply to message #196094] Thu, 13 April 2006 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Phase 9 wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 18:53

Somehow, retarded just does not adequately describe this thread. Besides, George Bush can barely eat a pretzel without a trip to the ER. I doubt his ability to organize the demolition of multiple skyscrapers. This thread makes evolution seem logical.

...having your sig flip people off doesn't help your case either.

By the way, we're talking about terrorists. Whose to say they didn't have a little 'boost' from their luggage?



I can drink a can of soda and nearly choke on it, you can't help how your body reacts to what you're putting into it. I've had times where I drank a Sprite and nearly passed out from being unable to breathe after the first sip, since it went into the wrong hole in my throat instead of simply falling into my stomach.

Using that against someone is idiocy, please remember that he's as human as anyone else is.
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196117 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not only that, but he's put under a microscope. Every normal day mistake we have, he's just as likely to have. The only difference is that the media will publish it and give millions of mindless liberals fuel to keep the anti-Bush fire going.

Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196123 is a reply to message #195869] Thu, 13 April 2006 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't take it that way, I was making a joke that these liberals would actually look at before scrolling down and missing the point. Heck, I've done worse. There was the Great Wasabi Insident of aught-2... embarasses me to this day.

And the Sprite thing is totally understandable. ...Lost: Five 0 is my biggest vice, though. Stuff burns worse than that 8-year-old whiskey I found under the sink.

(Technically, I am conservative, and technically I support Bush. It was but a joke, sorry.)

I saw a book that reminded me of this thread, though. Michael Moore is a Big, Fat, Stupid White Man. Might be worth a look.

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196164 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 04:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just because you're a conservative does not obligate you to support Bush.

Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196165 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, you aren't supposed to blindly support leaders because they claim to support your ideals. The fact is, I am not fond of Bush at all. However, I am a Republican, and I did vote for him over Kerry. Honestly, I'd vote him over Kerry again simply because it was Kerry... Other than that, I didn't really want to vote him in again.

Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196170 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, and for everyone who absolutely hates Michael Moore, he pales in comparison to the crap that Alex Jones puts out. A few examples:

9-11: The Road to Tyranny (2002)
American Dictators: Documenting The Staged 2004 Election (2004)
Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State (2005)


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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196186 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't support Kerry...

Because I'm not old enough to vote :P

But I liked Bush more because Kerry could never seem to make up his mind. Bush is also said to be a Christian, and a supporter of Israel. Kerry was said to be for, then against, then for abortion (then again, I heard this from adults, and we all know how much adults tell the truth :P )

Politics aren't really interesting to me. Humans were never good at governing each other, anyway.

And when I said conservative, I mostly meant against stuff like abortion (I almost experienced that, and wasn't too happy about it when I found out.), gun-control (ok, the crooks have guns. What do we fight them with, harsh language?), and the "modern interpretation" (aka: editing), of the constitution.
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196202 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...

Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196206 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NOw all you need is the hunting licence to GET thoes bear arm. Well, assuming bear hunting is in season. Big Grin
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196207 is a reply to message #196202] Fri, 14 April 2006 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Statistics also show that alchohol and tobacco kill more people than firearms. At least rifles come with a safety-switch Huh

Another thing, I tried finding leading causes of death in the US. It almost never listed abortion. If it gets much worse, the leading cause of death in the US will be parents.

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196209 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196210 is a reply to message #196209] Fri, 14 April 2006 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mrpirate wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 15:43

omf


Oh my 'what'? 'Fog'?
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196247 is a reply to message #196202] Fri, 14 April 2006 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ryan3k wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 16:21

Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...



WRONG!

http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

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1. Fact: The murder rates in many nations (such as England) were ALREADY LOW BEFORE enacting gun control. Thus, their restrictive laws cannot be credited with lowering their crime rates.1

2. Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions.

* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2

* Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3

* England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4

* Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."5

3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States:

* In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States.

* "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States," stated the Reuters news agency in summarizing the study. "The rate of robbery is now 1.4 times higher in England and Wales than in the United States, and the British burglary rate is nearly double America's."6 The murder rate in the United States is reportedly higher than in England, but according to the DOJ study, "the difference between the [murder rates in the] two countries has narrowed over the past 16 years."7

* The United Nations confirmed these results in 2000 when it reported that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.8

4. Fact: British authorities routinely underreport crime statistics. Comparing statistics between different nations can be quite difficult since foreign officials frequently use different standards in compiling crime statistics.

* The British media has remained quite critical of authorities there for "fiddling" with crime data. Consider some of the headlines in their papers: "Crime figures a sham, say police,"9 "Police are accused of fiddling crime data,"10 and "Police figures under-record offences by 20 percent."11

* British police have also criticized the system because of the "widespread manipulation" of crime data:

a. "Officers said that pressure to convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had resulted in a long list of ruses to 'massage' statistics."12

b. Sgt. Mike Bennett says officers have become increasingly frustrated with the practice of manipulating statistics. "The crime figures are meaningless," he said. "Police everywhere know exactly what is going on."13

c. According to The Electronic Telegraph, "Officers said the recorded level of crime bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime being committed."14

* Underreporting crime data: "One former Scotland Yard officer told The Telegraph of a series of tricks that rendered crime figures 'a complete sham.' A classic example, he said, was where a series of homes in a block flats were burgled and were regularly recorded as one crime. Another involved pickpocketing, which was not recorded as a crime unless the victim had actually seen the item being stolen."15

* Underreporting murder data: British crime reporting tactics keep murder rates artificially low. "Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all. 'With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham,' [a 2000 report from the Inspectorate of Constabulary] concludes."16




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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196249 is a reply to message #196247] Fri, 14 April 2006 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 19:51

Ryan3k wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 16:21

Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...


WRONG!



I was 90% sure of that, but I was too lazy to do the research. Thanks Big Ups .
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196254 is a reply to message #196206] Fri, 14 April 2006 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 21:31

NOw all you need is the hunting licence to GET thoes bear arm. Well, assuming bear hunting is in season. Big Grin


Well the right to bear arms and to bear arms is all fine and dandy but what about the right to arm bears?


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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196255 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Bear arms" is the correct phrase.
Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196258 is a reply to message #196255] Fri, 14 April 2006 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who gives a bear's? Mr. Green

Oh, s***, we're off-topic.

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Re: 9/11 Treason [message #196260 is a reply to message #195869] Fri, 14 April 2006 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I think this topic is better than the original one, personally.

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