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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #190880 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 03:31   |
Poke((void*)cP.lookXa
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The fix is minor -- it's just stopping an exploit that came out a few weeks ago. I would like to congratulate the cheat community on taking nearly 2 years to figure out something that we couldn't fix on the master servers.
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Could you please correct that ?
That is a public bypass, i know at least 3 bypasses that works on renguard, so dont screw arround that my community sucks, cause we can bypass renguard.
As you noticed, coders are coming up for Renegade.
0x90 has created an injected trainer, something i never succeed in.
The guy that mades renguard so "good":
V00d00. Without him renguard would be a hopeless useless shit.
ANd v00d00 has posted something at UC on 05-30-2005.
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For those waiting on the cheat, so am I Since this will be released:
RenGuard v1.04
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- Improved network security
- Improved API hook prevention
- Improved memory hack prevention
- Renguard.dll has been eliminated (code has been merged with Renguard's EXE)
- Verification of contents of the script/bhs DLL's on disk and in memory
- Preventing (any method, including ones not covered in the updates) RenGuard from scanning files will result in a ban
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Yes, the renguard 1.04 that is released on January 2005!!!
No it didnt, we are waiting for the new update that is delayed for arround 1 year.
Sucks ah ? You are telling everybody that the cheat community is hopeless but you cant even bring an update on time.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #190883 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 03:43 |
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Goztow
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Aha! Another person who I can ask what is his actual reason to cheat on Renegade!
1. It's easy to do so not really an exceptional thing to do. With Renguard it became more difficult but then again, Renguard wouldn't have been needed if cheats hadn't existed so that point is void;
2. It helps out noone, it just ruins the fun for everyone. I think it doesn't even help you because it just makes the server run empty.
3. It shows you got no skill, why would you need it otherwise? It also makes sure you don't gain any skill as you have an unfair advantage.
4. It can make you feel like a smart dude if you're like 12 but passed that age, you should have enough maturity to not think of it this way anymore.
So yes, tell me please WHY oh WHY are you so proud to be part of the "cheat community for Renegade"?
Related to this topic: everyone knows that attacking/breaking is much easier than defending/fixing.
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[Updated on: Thu, 23 February 2006 03:44] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #190912 is a reply to message #190780] |
Thu, 23 February 2006 11:30 |
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ahhh the flawed logic of someone who can't even grasp the simple concepts of the English language.
N00bstories Director Of Operations
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #191490 is a reply to message #190912] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 18:14 |
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| luv2pb wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 19:30 |
ahhh someone who can't even grasp the simple concepts of the English language.
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Ever thought about the fact that many people have to learn English because it's NOT their mother language? You expect a perfect English from all, because you are too lazy to learn another language I guess. So other people can't write things like "..blah, never read such crappy English before..." about you.
I for myself have understood the post above and I'm not from the UK or North America. I won't get excited if there is a lack of form in some posts as long as it's not too much.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #191496 is a reply to message #191494] |
Tue, 28 February 2006 20:19 |
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| Kamuix wrote on Tue, 28 February 2006 20:59 |
Renguard should come with a built in No-CD Patch.
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CP2 already does...
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #191555 is a reply to message #191516] |
Wed, 01 March 2006 14:10 |
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lol u might think that people who cheat have no life but think of it this way if they cheated then renguard wouldnt b as advanced as they are now think of it really they wouldnt really have to add ways to prevent cheating it would still b like it was when it came out. im not saying renguard sucks or anything and im not saying cheating is good but like i said really think about it people who cheat make it easier for people to make better and harder ways to cheat ect ect but thats just my opinon
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #191557 is a reply to message #190780] |
Wed, 01 March 2006 14:28 |
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Goztow
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The point is, your little reasoning would be true if hundreds of players who have nothing to do with this would not be hurt by this. I wouldn't care less if cheaters just went in a server specially made for testing their cheats against renguard and then post the report. But now hundreds of people who juts want to game get hurt by it.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195039 is a reply to message #190780] |
Mon, 03 April 2006 15:48 |
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For those waiting on the cheat, so am I Since this will be released:
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- Preventing (any method, including ones not covered in the updates) RenGuard from scanning files will result in a ban
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Yea? So what if there was such a bypass out that didn't even worry about stopping Renguard? It didn't even touch Renguard. Say that all it did was make the files Renguard was looking for, invisible. But, it was very visible to Renegade. Say it also was invisible to the patrol bot which meant no more zero bug. Renguard, no matter how hard it scanned would never find such a file.
You say that such a bypass is impossible? No. I own it, me and a select few. Why then do I not use it when I play Renegade in the little that I actually do? Or, for that matter, release it for everyone to use? It has the true potential to wipe this Community from the face of this planet. I don't want that. Neither do the other owners at UC (there are only 4 of us containing it). Trust me, this bypass is virtually unpatchable. I don't use it. I mod Renegade. I get on to host games with super jumping and special characters and weapons. I use this bypass only for hosting games. It allows me the ability to run anything in renegade, without everyone getting zero bug, and without renguard killing me for a host-mod. If you really think I am potentially that dangerous, remove me. I support renguard. Without it, Renegade would be overrun. I never wih to destroy Renguard either.
I am here to help whoever is willing to put an effort into something they believe in. I am no harm to this community. I used to be, but those days are long past over. Making mods has 100x times the potential of playing god then cheating ever has for this game. Sometimes we must accept there is always someone out there looking to destroy you. Cheaters on anti-cheaters, and anti-cheaters on cheaters. It's a balance. The game gets ruined if one removes the other, even when there are more of one than the other.
Please understand what I have said to you all. The moderators of the UC section of Renegade are the only owners of this bypass. We do not want to release it, because no one wants to see such an old community die. Just remember, we have the ability, but we choose not to end it. We never will. I personally won't ever use this as blackmail, because I am on no one's "side."
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Yea, not all cheaters are looking to destroy Renegade. I may help em, but what's to say that I cheat? Or even play Renegade that much at all anymore? Nothing. I am here because this is the Renegade Community Forums. No rules say cheaters are not allowed here. Maybe the cheats themselves, but never the person. I am not here to crticize any of you. I visit these forums just about everyday. I like to watch people's progress on things. I would never wish to destroy the Renegade Community.
By the way: I am an Extreme C&C Reborn Fan.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195056 is a reply to message #195039] |
Mon, 03 April 2006 17:22 |
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Exactly! I agree with your point about a balance between cheaters and anti-cheaters (kinda like matter and anti-matter).
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If you have trouble running BIATCH on your FDS, have some questions about a BIATCH message or log entry, or think that BIATCH spit out a false positive, PLEASE contact the BlackIntel coding team and avoid wasting the time of others.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195098 is a reply to message #190780] |
Tue, 04 April 2006 00:22 |
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So you say that Punk, one of the moderators of UC, isn't a thread to the renegade community? What about UDP flooding that he promotes on his website? Something totally illegal, if I remember correctly?
What if noone had found a way to more or less stop the nickname exploit?
What is a game for you, means a lot of work and money for other people. You say it is harmless as there is a balance. Let's see:
-> game, fun
-> money, work and time
That's no balance to me.
I understand what you say and in a way i'm thankful for explaining this and doing this. However, if it had never been made it would be better.
I don't see how the cheating community dissapearing from renegade would break a balance or have any bad influence. Please do explain me that. Explain me how no cheaters or bug exploiters at all on Renegade would be a bad thing. I'm very curious  .
Edit: this is all written in a non-ironic way btw)
Update: you say you won't release it above, yet you say elsewhere "I think we should wait and see how the new Renguard will run and how the community here will handle and confront it. If they can't do it, I say we let it go." So what is it then, eh? Release it or not? I think you haven't decided yet and I also think that you're stupid if you think you have the necessary intelligence to make this decision and preview all possible consequences. Think out of the box. Go to Crimson, explain her what it does, she'll give you points why not to release, you'll give points why to release and you'll come to something together. If it's as unpatchable as you say it is, it wouldn't matter if you explained anyway.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195105 is a reply to message #190780] |
Tue, 04 April 2006 03:10 |
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I'm not trying to "dare you" or anything, but even a RenGuard bypass wouldn't destroy this community. We have ALWAYS found a way to work around ANY problem thrown at us, even if we collaborate and share cheater IPs and whatnot.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195160 is a reply to message #190780] |
Tue, 04 April 2006 14:25 |
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Well, I am not like punk. Remember, I don't use my abilities for destructive purposes (Any longer). There is one major difference in situations here also. Punk and any other cheaters would always come here to complain and post enraged topics. I am not here for that. I shouldn't even be considered a cheater anymore even though some of you may disagree with me. Now on to answering your questions Goztow. Oh and BTW, thanks for treating me with respect.
Although you may not understand how in the world there could be a balance of anti-cheaters and cheaters, there is truth to it. Think about it, if there were never any cheaters what-so-ever (which is highly unlikely), where would people get their inspiration? Believe it or not, there are a TON of modders and mappers out there who started out as cheaters. We all began as something, wether we liked who we were or not. Every day Modders, mappers, scripters, and cheaters find something new about Renegade. Each group contributes its part to discovering more of how Renegade works.
You may say, "Well how are cheaters contributing? They only wish to destroy our work.", I have to disgree with that state ment in a sense because it is partially false. When a cheater decides he is going to find out a new way to hack Renegade, he has to research the way it runs. He needs to understand what makes it tick. It is the exact same thing with scripters, modders and mappers. Each of those four groups contribute and improve Renegade. Cheaters are partially what made this game what it is today. Every time they cheat, the scripters (i.e. jonwil) make new scripts which improve the way Renegade works, while countering a cheaters technique. Not only that, but it is a heck of a lot easier to learn how to begin cheating and making cheats, than to start off making mods and maps and scripts.
The balance is truthfully between the four groups (Scripters, Modders, Mappers, and Cheaters). Destroy one, and it causes the downfall of another. You can't tell me jonwil hasn't gained experience from having to update scripts to stop cheating. And while doing that, he learns new ways to Improve gameplay performence.
Not all cheaters are noobs either. Remember I used to be a moderator of the UC C&C Renegade section. I have seen my fill of leechers and noobs pass through. The people who actually know what they are doing, rarely cheat at all. That's a fact. I find playing fair, funner than playing with cheats because you don't have to watch your back, and because it gets boring being god of renegade lol.
If you need any more explaining, feel free to ask me. I really feel I didn't answer your questions very well. So, just re-word or tell me to re-explain.
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Yea, not all cheaters are looking to destroy Renegade. I may help em, but what's to say that I cheat? Or even play Renegade that much at all anymore? Nothing. I am here because this is the Renegade Community Forums. No rules say cheaters are not allowed here. Maybe the cheats themselves, but never the person. I am not here to crticize any of you. I visit these forums just about everyday. I like to watch people's progress on things. I would never wish to destroy the Renegade Community.
By the way: I am an Extreme C&C Reborn Fan.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195165 is a reply to message #190780] |
Tue, 04 April 2006 15:26 |
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I am rather talking of the random n00b that can now easely download a cheat and cheat with it. I see no plus value at all of a final renegader who doesn't even know what the cheat does, and certainly not how it was made, joining in my server.
I picked on this one time before: if you would have the cheaters going against the anti-cheaters in a server, it wouldn't be a problem.
I do believe that you will see this as a necessary side effect though. Cheat designers won't work if they don't get the ow so much wanted "rep" for it. To get the "rep", they need to make things public. I consider harming other's rep also a way to get "rep" for your eyes, in this reasoning btw (like FR did for Crimson, ACK, ...). However, for us the side effect is the biggest problem. And there you have Renguard popping up.
The purpose of Renguard is to stop this side effect. If the side effect is taken off, the reasons for cheat makers to make cheats (rep) is taken away, hence there's only one way for the cheat makers to keep it up: by attacking/bypassing Renguard. In a way you guys were very lucky that RG ain't a necessary download but only 'half RG' because it made a double path go open:
1. bypassing RG;
2. bypassing mods.
That's the analysis part. Now I can see what you mean with the good part the cheat makers brought indirectly into the community. It would have been nice though if this would be possible without above mentioned side effect.
Basically what you are saying is that people get much easier motivated from killing something, than from building something up (which is also much easier). Unfortunately, I do believe you are right in that (especially but absolutely not only in the case of teenagers) unfortunately. The human race/average intellect ain't something to be proud of at times.
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| Re: RenGuard Update! [message #195252 is a reply to message #190780] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 11:36 |
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I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about. It was something that made the news several weeks ago and people were already talking about how it's a way to bypass PunkBuster, which is far beyond RenGuard.
I don't believe that cheating and cheaters are the only way to cause advances in the game. In fact, the deepest developments I've seen are for the modding community -- adding scripts and hacking around to make Renegade do everything it possibly can. And that would have happened WITHOUT cheaters.
Overall, I don't see why, if I am paying $150 per month for my Renegade server, why you feel that you have the right or the obligation to connect and use my bandwidth and not play fairly with the other gamers. I pay my money so that those who grace my server with their presence can have a good time and when you are using my bandwidth that I pay for to ruin the fun for others, I take it personally for myself and the people you anger or upset.
I'm the bawss.
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