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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175564 is a reply to message #175534] |
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| DaveGMM wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 15:17 |
| Goztow wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 10:48 |
| DaveGMM wrote on Wed, 19 October 2005 16:59 |
I smoke.
Sue me. Mainly at parties, but hey. For those of you who dont like me, just take refuge in the "fact" I'll be dead before you 
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thank you for just giving us the main arguements all smokers give me... none: just be aggressive towardst he one that makes a logical reason not to smoke  .
Seen this many, many times before!
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Agressive? Hardly. You're the one who is being adversarial here. I don't even know you, so who the heck are you to comment on my lifestyle?
I'm not defending smoking (how did you even infer that I was?). I'm the son of a doctor, I know what smoking does to people. I suppose I just find it a little annoying that people presume to tell me how to lead my life or what to do - or like you do, go "Well, here are the reasons WHY people in general don't smoke, so why are you still doing it, hmm?"
You seem to think no sane person could ever disagree with you.
Good job I don't posess something so stupidly worthless as sanity.
Go back to demeaning someone else, ok? I'm going for a fag.
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The "sue me" part was clear enough to me...
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175566 is a reply to message #175237] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 13:55 |
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Warranto:
People do drugs like marijuana, cocaine or ecstasy, and alcohol, to a lesser extent, to feel good. I smoke pot and drink to get my mind off school, and whatever problems I've got. I am not disagreeing with you, nor do I deny that this can lead to an unhealthy dependence.
And, while psychedelic drugs (i.e. LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, etc.) can feel good, if you do them with the sole intent of having a little fun, you will certainly be surprised. The effect is similar, I suppose, to travelling to a different dimension, or planet. One feels like they can suddenly understand everything, and ideas flow exceptionally easily and quickly. Psychedelics are great if you want to sit with a friend or two for a few hours and discuss philisophy or something. Now, I'm not saying that what you're talking about will be ground-breaking, or even make any sense, but it's certainly an experience unlike anything else. It can be scary, as well, since everything is so alien, one might feel like they're losing control and become extremely disoriented. Many people will do mushrooms once, have a bad experience, and never do them again. There were a few minutes, the last time I did mushrooms, when I was certain I was going to die. However, most of the night I spent talking with a group of my best friends while watching the unimaginably beautiful and colourful patterns dance around on the wall. There is always a bit of bad, even in a good trip.
It's also worth noting that if you do psychedelics to escape from your problems, your problems will only manifest themselves in your trip.
I guess the difference is that psychedelics are more like going on an adventure than just feeling good. Why do you think it's called tripping? (People who use the word 'tripping' with reference to marijuana generally do not know what they are talking about)
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175590 is a reply to message #175237] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 15:40 |
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Go remedy it like a man.
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Can't really say that to women. :\
I personally dislike the habbits of the people of my age (here, that is)... Spending a 10 bucks to get a few grams of marijuana from someone I personally know, eating mushrooms, drinking before the legal age (and massively), but that doesn't mean I hate them, I just dislike what they do to themselves, and when they do I, I enjoy being absent.
The only form of alcohol I personally tolerate right now is rotten raisin juice/wine, because I dislike the taste of beer.
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175607 is a reply to message #175601] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 16:21 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 19:12 |
| SEAL wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 17:54 |
| warranto wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 10:25 |
Give it a rest. Those people have as much validity to comment as people who are currently using the substance.
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No they don't. You don't know why people are drawn to the experience the drugs create because you haven't had the experience yourself. So all you can do is whine about how it's unhealthy and a bad idea, and none of the people you're preaching to will take you seriously because you have no frame of reference.
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And I assume using the substance will cause people to take you seriously? "You should use it because I use it." has less of a credibility than someone who says not to use it, and then gives good reasons. Of course you're going to suggest to use it, after all, if you didn't you'd be contradicting your actions, which would make you look bad.
Unless you're suggesting the addiction it creates somehow absolves you of any biased opinion towards the subject.
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I'm not getting involved in your little tiff.....but:
We are all biased as far as this subject is concerned.
Those who try it now, see no reason to give up or no reason why you think them doing what they want is any of your business.
Those who used to try it, but no longer do it and have no temptation to go there again, could play Devil's Advocate or de-nouce it completely
Those who have never tried and DO NOT wish to will have (forgive me for saying this..but) a rather cynical view on it.
It's irresponsible, it's stupid, there is nothing clever or attractive about it, yet people continue to do it. I dunno why, I guess it will be one of those great mysteries...but sometimes peoples curiosities get the better of them...and adiction happens on different levels to different people.
Just trying to make you see it from each others eyes is all (not trying to get either of you to agree, we are all entitled to our opinions)
You have a God given right to be stupid. Please do not abuse this right!
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175625 is a reply to message #175548] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 16:54 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 16:14 |
Respect what? Respect something that makes you act like a fool? Respect something that has an alters your bodies chemistry in a non-beneficial way? Respect something that eats at an income with no beneficial results? Respect something that is STILL illegal? Respect something that people become addicted to?
Yes... that is definitely something that requires respect
j_ball: I was referring to drug usage, not alcohol. Hence the "high" description.
mrpirate: being serious here, perhaps you could identify the difference between something "feeling good", and something being interesting.
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Respect something that makes you act like a fool?
In no way does it make you act like a fool, it relaxes, it soothes, and it makes things more interesting and funny.
Respect something that has an alters your bodies chemistry in a non-beneficial way?
Overdose DOES have negative side-effects, but you'd have to smoke around 5 grams of weed a DAY for several weeks for there to be even minal damage, that's a lot of weed. We're talking like SOCIAL, (don't take the work literal), now and then, sports, boring events (and not all of the time!) etc.
Respect something that eats at an income with no beneficial results?
EATS AT AN INCOME?! LMAO Weed is 10 bucks a gram (Cnd) which lasts me alone for a week, sometimes two. When I want to smoke with friends we just all throw a little into the pitch. Heavy smokers can buy a lot of weed at once for a cheaper price and it will last them for a long time.
Respect something that is STILL illegal?
De-Criminalized for a period of time, there has been MUCH current controversy over this in our country. It's just like the prohibition back in the 'day'. People kept breaking the rules, and it never stopped completely, it was so minor that they took it off. As such will eventaully happen to weed again. I'm acutally taking Police Foundations and we've talked about this in class with our professor, he even agrees. Man.. come to think about it, about half our class smokes weed now  Second Year!
Respect something that people become addicted to?
Um.. I have plently of friends, and people who are friends' friends, and I even know 42 year olds who still admit they are NOT addicted, even after years of it. I've been doing it just over a year now, a lot in the summer, now more now and then, and I still am honestly able to take month-long breaks without it. Same goes with all my friends.
Now I'm not being hostile, but it would be better if you hund your ignorance up at the door.
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175677 is a reply to message #175539] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 22:00 |
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| God of Death wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 14:45 |
Do you know where they get the shrooms that you eat?
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Well since no one responded to this I feel I should answer it. I used to go shroom hunting with a friend of mine back in my pot smoking days.
Shrooms are from a seed that passes through the intestines of a cow or like animal. Most shrooms are plucked out of cow shit. Yes its true. It is a seed that has grown through the shit of another animal. I personally went on a shroom raid with my friend. why he still ate them I have no clue, but it was fun, because we were high and made "adventures" out of it.
F.Y.I. I did leave that past behind about 7-8 months ago. I still drink though and enjoy it.
You can call me God
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175683 is a reply to message #175237] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 23:12 |
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mrpirate: thanks for the explanation (I would have responded last time, but I missed the post). That's what I was thinking when i mentioned "feel good". I just thought it all fell under one heading. Consider, then, that when I say "feel good" that is meant to mean all that was mentioned.
kytten9: Oh , I know we're al biased in this situation. All I was inferring is that suggesting one biased behaviour is better than another, simply because of the choice (or lack thereof) regarding drug usage.
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In no way does it make you act like a fool, it relaxes, it soothes, and it makes things more interesting and funny.
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That may be your perspective, but trust me when I say that is not what it looks like to everyone else that is sober.
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Overdose DOES have negative side-effects, but you'd have to smoke around 5 grams of weed a DAY for several weeks for there to be even minal damage, that's a lot of weed. We're talking like SOCIAL, (don't take the work literal), now and then, sports, boring events (and not all of the time!) etc.
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I'm not speaking of overdoses. I'm speaking everything regarding the usage of drugs. There is no benefit for using them (yes, I know there are some exceptions regarding the painkilling attribute of marijuana-but that doesn't apply because not every user is in that type of pain). It does nothing to benefit the body in any way.
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EATS AT AN INCOME?! LMAO Weed is 10 bucks a gram (Cnd) which lasts me alone for a week, sometimes two. When I want to smoke with friends we just all throw a little into the pitch. Heavy smokers can buy a lot of weed at once for a cheaper price and it will last them for a long time
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Yes, eats at an income. Do the math. 2 people who work at the same job, get the same wage, same hours etc. and come out with $100 for that day. Person 1 does nothing with the money. Person 2 goes to buy (in your example) 1 gram of marijuana. Person 1's income at the end of the day: $100. Person 2's income at the end of the day: $90.
I do believe that $90 is LESS than $100.
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De-Criminalized for a period of time, there has been MUCH current controversy over this in our country. It's just like the prohibition back in the 'day'. People kept breaking the rules, and it never stopped completely, it was so minor that they took it off. As such will eventaully happen to weed again. I'm acutally taking Police Foundations and we've talked about this in class with our professor, he even agrees. Man.. come to think about it, about half our class smokes weed now Second Year!
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Wow, people who smoke marijuana agreeing that is should be decriminalized... surprise there. (See what i mean by the "yes-man" attitude?) And of course, when something becomes so common, it should become legal. Great point of view. Perhaps theft should be next. It seems to occur often enough. It's also good news for murderers, looks like if they keep it up, it should become legal!
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Um.. I have plently of friends, and people who are friends' friends, and I even know 42 year olds who still admit they are NOT addicted, even after years of it. I've been doing it just over a year now, a lot in the summer, now more now and then, and I still am honestly able to take month-long breaks without it. Same goes with all my friends.
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Here, I'll prove that even you are addicted to it.
I challenge you to give up any and all drugs for the rest of your life.
I bet you won't accept. Why? It doesn't matter, whether it's because you "like it", or "you simply don't want to", that's proof of the addiction. Refusal to stop. An addiction doesn't have to be physical. It can be just as psychological.
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175684 is a reply to message #175578] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 23:41 |
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| Javaxcx wrote on Thu, 20 October 2005 17:56 |
He's right Warranto. Didn't you know that you can't diss anything till you've tried it?
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Let's go on on this. Can you dish non-smokers' opinions then because you haven't tried not to smoke for a couple of years? Not saying this to you but saying this to several persons in here that outed this opinion.
Not doing something has as much value as doing something...
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I bet you won't accept. Why? It doesn't matter, whether it's because you "like it", or "you simply don't want to", that's proof of the addiction. Refusal to stop. An addiction doesn't have to be physical. It can be just as psychological.
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Many drugs aren't physically addicting but they are all very psychologically addicting for sure.
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175709 is a reply to message #175683] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 06:13 |
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| warranto wrote on Fri, 21 October 2005 02:12 |
That may be your perspective, but trust me when I say that is not what it looks like to everyone else that is sober.
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I've been around people sober when they are high too... they acts different yes, but not in a bad way. They are having more fun, not acting like a fool, I suppose it is one opinion so we can't really settle this argument.
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Overdose DOES have negative side-effects, but you'd have to smoke around 5 grams of weed a DAY for several weeks for there to be even minal damage, that's a lot of weed. We're talking like SOCIAL, (don't take the work literal), now and then, sports, boring events (and not all of the time!) etc.
I'm not speaking of overdoses. I'm speaking everything regarding the usage of drugs. There is no benefit for using them (yes, I know there are some exceptions regarding the painkilling attribute of marijuana-but that doesn't apply because not every user is in that type of pain). It does nothing to benefit the body in any way.
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There are tons of things in society that people take that are non beneficial to the body. Cigars + Cigarettes, alcohol, even some fast foods have little to no health benefits.
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EATS AT AN INCOME?! LMAO Weed is 10 bucks a gram (Cnd) which lasts me alone for a week, sometimes two. When I want to smoke with friends we just all throw a little into the pitch. Heavy smokers can buy a lot of weed at once for a cheaper price and it will last them for a long time
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Yes, eats at an income. Do the math. 2 people who work at the same job, get the same wage, same hours etc. and come out with $100 for that day. Person 1 does nothing with the money. Person 2 goes to buy (in your example) 1 gram of marijuana. Person 1's income at the end of the day: $100. Person 2's income at the end of the day: $90.
I do believe that $90 is LESS than $100.
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Dude, now quit being retarded. Life isn't a math book of problems. People that can afford it, buy it. People that can't, don't. It's as simple as that. They either find others that will smoke them up for free or save up enough money until they can. It's called budgeting. It's no different they buying other luxuries, like a chocolate bar at the grocery store, or a boat to cruise in. You set a goal, save, and buy! So according to your theory, buying anything that is not a human NEED 'eats at an income' (in a negative way, as you put forth that gesture).
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De-Criminalized for a period of time, there has been MUCH current controversy over this in our country. It's just like the prohibition back in the 'day'. People kept breaking the rules, and it never stopped completely, it was so minor that they took it off. As such will eventaully happen to weed again. I'm acutally taking Police Foundations and we've talked about this in class with our professor, he even agrees. Man.. come to think about it, about half our class smokes weed now Second Year!
Wow, people who smoke marijuana agreeing that is should be decriminalized... surprise there. (See what i mean by the "yes-man" attitude?) And of course, when something becomes so common, it should become legal. Great point of view. Perhaps theft should be next. It seems to occur often enough. It's also good news for murderers, looks like if they keep it up, it should become legal!
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The key words in here that you failed to read here is MINOR. People have been doing this for a long time, and police officers now usually don't even arrest for this offence (yes, it IS an arrestable offence if there is weed in your car), they usually take people's drug and pipe (or other tools), destroy it, report it in, or use it themselves (RARELY, but it happens). And not just people who smoke think it should be decriminalized. The vast population of Canada thinks that it should be, so that our police force can stop worrying about such a small issue and focus on more important stuff. Also, the government could make a shit load more money if they let this go.
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Um.. I have plently of friends, and people who are friends' friends, and I even know 42 year olds who still admit they are NOT addicted, even after years of it. I've been doing it just over a year now, a lot in the summer, now more now and then, and I still am honestly able to take month-long breaks without it. Same goes with all my friends.
Here, I'll prove that even you are addicted to it.
I challenge you to give up any and all drugs for the rest of your life.
I bet you won't accept. Why? It doesn't matter, whether it's because you "like it", or "you simply don't want to", that's proof of the addiction. Refusal to stop. An addiction doesn't have to be physical. It can be just as psychological.
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Of course I'm not going to accept, who are you to challenge me to stop? To me you're just some person (kid or otherwise) on a computer named 'warranto'. OOooo I'm so intimidated... I better quit right now to shut this guy up. Gimmie a break.
I've told you already in my post that I can, and often DO take several month-long BREAKS (that means 'No Smoking' if you don't understand a second time). The reason I start up again is again to have some fun, or the midterm is over, or at a party, etc. And usually when I start back up, it's not regular, most of the time after a break I usually just smoke once or twice a month.
I love your arguments, but if you're going to post stupid things, that contradict yourself, don't bother! Read my posts a little better and THEN state your opinion.
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As to that comment about shrooms and that they grow in cow dung... Hate to break it to you all, but so does 90% of your fruits and vegetables that you eat at dinner time does too
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175710 is a reply to message #175683] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 06:42 |
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| warranto wrote on Fri, 21 October 2005 02:12 |
Here, I'll prove that even you are addicted to it.
I challenge you to give up any and all drugs for the rest of your life.
I bet you won't accept. Why? It doesn't matter, whether it's because you "like it", or "you simply don't want to", that's proof of the addiction. Refusal to stop. An addiction doesn't have to be physical. It can be just as psychological.
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That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard.
If you challenged me never to watch television ever again for the rest of my life (something I do extremely rarely anyway, we're talking a handful of times a year here), am I addicted to television if I say no?
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175711 is a reply to message #175237] |
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I'd say no if you asked me to never smoke a cigar again or drink alcohol again. I'm certainly not addicted to it by any means. It's simply that I enjoy the experience. Are you going to give up an experience that you enjoy? I enjoy eating hamburgers, I am certainly not addicted, but if you challenged me to stop eating them for the rest of my life, I'd certainly laugh at you. I'm telling you right now, I WOULD get tired of hamburgers, alcohol, and cigars if I continuously consumed them, and that's certainly not characteristic of addiction, is it?
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175715 is a reply to message #175237] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 07:32 |
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Well, I haven't posted here yet, mostly because of how much of an idiot Goztow is, but here goes:
I don't smoke. I drink, but I don't smoke. The only reason is because I haven't ever tried it, and there's a small possibility that I won't. I don't see smoking as something that ends everyones lives, because both my grandfather and my father smoke, and they're in near-perfect health. My grandfather is over 60 years old, and my father is over 40. If my father stopped smoking, he would pick up a worse habit, eating Butter Fingers. For some reason he swaps to them whenever he stops smoking, he began to eat a case a week, or day I don't remember, and it got cheaper to just buy him cigarettes.
As for drinking, I'm not addicted. I've had very little alcohol, enough to give me a buzz a few times, but I won't "give it up" because you need something to relax every once in awhile. Now, I'm addicted to caffeine, but there's no way I'm giving that up. Coke just tastes to damn good!
J Ball is right, just because he - or anyone else for that matter - isn't addicted to something, doesn't mean they'll give it up if you tell them to. I don't watch TV much anymore, but I enjoy it when I do. I listen to alot of music, but I'm not addicted, and I'm damn sure not giving it up. That's like telling a vegetarian to stop eating vegetables. They may not be addicted to them, but they won't stop eating them.
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175717 is a reply to message #175237] |
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I would honestly say that I AM, indeed, addicted to music, but that's neither a bad or unhealthy thing. 
As for sex, Clare, I wouldn't call it an addiction or obsession. It's a natural desire that can't be helped. It can be tamed, but you're not going to simply be able to ignore any urges. Believe me, I've tried, but there's just no getting around hormones. Also, who says I do that a lot? I haven't in over a year...
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175721 is a reply to message #175715] |
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| Lijitsu wrote on Fri, 21 October 2005 10:32 |
Well, I haven't posted here yet, mostly because of how much of an idiot Goztow is, but here goes:
I don't smoke. I drink, but I don't smoke. The only reason is because I haven't ever tried it, and there's a small possibility that I won't. I don't see smoking as something that ends everyones lives, because both my grandfather and my father smoke, and they're in near-perfect health. My grandfather is over 60 years old, and my father is over 40. If my father stopped smoking, he would pick up a worse habit, eating Butter Fingers. For some reason he swaps to them whenever he stops smoking, he began to eat a case a week, or day I don't remember, and it got cheaper to just buy him cigarettes.
As for drinking, I'm not addicted. I've had very little alcohol, enough to give me a buzz a few times, but I won't "give it up" because you need something to relax every once in awhile. Now, I'm addicted to caffeine, but there's no way I'm giving that up. Coke just tastes to damn good!
J Ball is right, just because he - or anyone else for that matter - isn't addicted to something, doesn't mean they'll give it up if you tell them to. I don't watch TV much anymore, but I enjoy it when I do. I listen to alot of music, but I'm not addicted, and I'm damn sure not giving it up. That's like telling a vegetarian to stop eating vegetables. They may not be addicted to them, but they won't stop eating them.
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Yeah, my grandfather is almost 90, he smokes and drinks heavily and has been since he was 13.
Warranto, you've just been proven wrong by 4 other people. HA Just jokes.
Some more things that are have absolutly no benefits to the body: Television, Music, Guitar, driving cars, using the COMPUTER.
Just for thoughts
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| Re: Anyone here smoke? [message #175722 is a reply to message #175721] |
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| SuperMidget wrote on Fri, 21 October 2005 11:30 |
Some more things that are have absolutly no benefits to the body: Television, Music, Guitar, driving cars, using the COMPUTER.
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You are so wrong. Let's see... where to start?
T.V.: Education, Entertainment, etc... I happen to like the History Channel, Food Network, etc... I also like to watch comedy shows. They make me laugh. Laughter is almost essential to being healthy.
Music: Music makes you tranquil, music lets you express your emotions/opinions. Self-expression is very healthy. Maybe not so much physically, but it sure does help mentally and emotionally.
Guitar: see "Music".
Driving Cars: Okay, not so much healthy, but it is pretty much a necessity in today's world.
Computer: Education, Gaming, chatting, etc... There is almost endless amounts of information on the internet. Computer gaming like FPS games teach you hand-eye coordination. Chatting (including public forums) helps you express your opinion, it helps develop your social skills. Sure, not near as much as it would as actually going out and being with people, but it's still better than just sitting on your butt all day doing nothing. You can also build skills that may just be an industry you want to go into. I'm desiring to go into graphic design and advertising, and by using the computer, I'm gaining the necessary skills in Photoshop and Illustrator.
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