| EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 13:27  |
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Greetings from your C&C Community Manager!
To continue the ten year anniversary celebration of the widely popular Command and Conquer franchise, I am pleased to reveal EA’s partnership with XWIS (XCC WOL IRC SERVER)!
Through this partnership, all Command and Conquer games formerly supported by EA/Westwood Online will be redirected through XWIS, thus instituting XWIS as the main online game server management team. XWIS is a community driven online game server that launched in October 2003 to replace the XCC Community Ladder. The new and improved features enabled include chat, in-game ranks, matching filters, lobby monitoring, improved Quick-Match, and fully functional automatic ladders for clans and individual tournament players. The beauty of this partnership is that you won’t have to download any external programs to utilize XWIS. All the enabled features and connections to the servers are already integrated into the supported games!
I’m also excited to share with you that the Strike Team will be monitoring the banning and anti-cheat controls on a daily basis and will provide technical support as needed. The Strike Team is a website built of hardcore Command and Conquer fans and is sponsored by the EA German Community Team. Their goal is to ensure a controlled and fun online environment for all players.
XWIS will commence a two week trial period with Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 and Command & Conquer Red Alert 2: Yuri’s Revenge. Once this trial is completed on Oct. 20th, XWIS will be supporting the following EA/Westwood online games:
Command & Conquer Red Alert 2
Command & Conquer Red Alert 2: Yuri’s Revenge
Command & Conquer Tiberian Dawn
Command & Conquer The Covert Operations
Command & Conquer Red Alert
Command & Conquer Red Alert: Counterstrike
Command & Conquer Red Alert: Aftermath
Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun
Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun: Firestorm
Command & Conquer Renegade
Dune 2000
Nox
Emperor: Battle for Dune
EA is 100% dedicated to the Command and Conquer franchise and wants to ensure a strong and secure online gameplay environment. Long live Command and Conquer! We hope to see resurgence in the legions of NOD and GDI followers claiming ground online.
Good luck soldier. Hit the hot keys and get online with Command and Conquer!
--Apoc
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Please express your opinions on this. No opinion will be rejected and I will make sure your feedback gets back to EA.
What does this mean?
In theory, it will mean the end of Excess Flood boots off WOL, the end of script kiddies messing with servers, the end of needing FDS serials.
But what it could also mean is heightened instability of WOL as a whole as XWIS multiplies their capacity from 300-400 unique gamers a month to THOUSANDS playing Renegade. I am personally concerned that the team at XWIS has not expressed any care about Renegade at all and we are BY FAR the largest group affected by this.
This two-week trial for other C&C games is our chance to speak up and provide feedback before it's permanent. There are some good things and potentially bad things that could happen as a result of this. How do you feel?
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173744 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 13:31  |
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I daresay that BHS knows more about C&C Renegade's WOL data than Strike Team. That isn't to say that Strike Team doesn't know a lot -- I'm sure they do.
Personally, I think it would be in everyone's best interest if BHS could make a deal with Strike Team to assist with the Renegade portion of their XWIS.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173747 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 14:00 |
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I'm sure that in order for Strike Team to be able to have such priveledges, EA would have had them sign various agreements. I'm sure that not abusing any information they receive is one of those agreements.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173751 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 14:34 |
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It'll spread out how many people are playing on WOL... Less people = less full games... I'm not really sure. I suppose that it depends on how many people want to play on XWIS.
I just checked the XWIS server, most of the people on there are playing RA2. I was the only Renegade person.
Just pointing this out. I don't have an opinion at the moment.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173754 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 14:58 |
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EA has 0% dedication towards Command & Conquer. They just realize that C&C is still very popular with the PC gamers. While I'm sure there are employees at EA who love the series and are enthusiastic about this, I forsee this being a disaster. EA won't care as they have already shown, and I don't really trust XWIS completely yet. I should probably try it out before I make any opinions on it, but right now, I'm skeptical. My skepticism probably isn't founded on much, but who knows? I see the fact that we won't have idiots crying about not having an FDS server as a good thing, but I don't really see the need for more servers as it stands, anyways.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173755 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 15:06 |
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i'm wonderig if this means things like the lobby chat will be turned back on in red alert2 and how much support they will give.
i also wonder if ea is suggesting that they are washing their hands of c&c (even though they state otherwise) or, if this works out, will they continue to make more c&c games(like the rumored redalert 3)
my only concern is this responsibility and private information being handed over to a third party.
what do we know about this organization? are they accountable for the actions of their employees? what safe guards do they go through to make sure they are hiring only responsible people?
is this just a bunch of online people who have never seen eachother? do they let just anyone join up with no background checks?
i think we've all had experience with people we play with/collaborate with online who seem like upstanding people only to find out later they are really assholes.
when i buy something from ea or contact ea for any reason, i know i am dealing with a corporate entity which i can hold accountable if one of their employees does something illegal or wrong...what such repurcussions are available against these 3rd parties?
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173757 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 15:25 |
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When Ted Morris of Westwood handed the responsibility of these forums over to me, he specifically stated that he could not hand over any information at all. That's why you all had to re-register here when that happened. We used a sort of scraping mechanism to get many of the old posts back but that wasn't with Westwood's knowledge or consent (or objection).
However, in this change-over, we players won't notice anything different except the MOTD. And some of us with custom software like WOLProxy will have to change a couple things. What that also means is that our client software will happily send over our serials, usernames, and encrypted passwords. But, what good would they be without WOL online anymore? What harm could be done with them? Pretty much nothing.
I found out about this a couple of weeks ago when I approached them about the problem with the FDS serials. Essentially this solves that problem. In this probable scenario, BHS would release one serial that anyone could use to get through the installer for the FDS.
I had always hoped that BHS would get the opportunity to support the Renegade community in a more official capacity, and in fact we already have most of the software and infrastructure required to do so.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173763 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 16:32 |
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To continue the ten year anniversary celebration of the widely popular Command and Conquer franchise
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That's a bit ironic, seeing as how EA killed the C&C franchise...
Well, we all knew EA would shrug off WOL sooner or later. It was only a matter of time.
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Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173765 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 16:54 |
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Its another way for EA to save money and dump off the C&C franchise faster. They're just losing money on the game now so they're finding a way to stop paying the bills.
If you ask me the Renegade portion being one of the largest should be given to BHS for management. If you think about it Renegade is really on a category of its own. It was the only FPS type game in the C&C series.
Fuck EA. Thats my main point. I no longer purchase any of their products because of their lack of support. If I want want one of their games I simply download it.
I felt it important to include CCFan's input here since he is a major part of this community. He shares a very important remark:
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This is doomed to fail unless Olaf (creator of XWIS) makes some changes. XWIS is missing a key command that allows Renegade to work behind NAT (anyone with a router uses NAT).
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173774 is a reply to message #173743] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 17:31 |
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| "Apoc, EA C&C Community Manager" |
EA is 100% dedicated to the Command and Conquer franchise
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And EA says they don't lie. A said it to a clan manager, and I'll say it to EA: Sure, you can talk it. But can you prove it?
Yes, EA claims they have technical support, and it's true, they do. However, it is almost as bad as AOLs tech support.
Yes, EA claims to support C&C, and it's true, they do. However, this is only because they thought they would get money from it.
Yes, EA claims to be this great corporation for gamers, and it's true, they are. However, this is only because EA makes video games, otherwise it would be about hotdogs or something.
My point here is that, EA, although producing many sometimes good games, they are useless. They have horrible tech support, they don't approve of hardly anything worthwhile, they killed WestWood and C&C, and they think they're doing good.
The few people who had previously worked at WestWood have either moved on to Blizzard Entertainment(YAY!) or they moved on to a differant company, taking with them their great RTS making knowledge.
Go to hell, EA. Give Black Hand Studios support of Renegade, and maybe you'll be considered smart.
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I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173782 is a reply to message #173765] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 18:26 |
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| genetix wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 19:54 |
Its .
Fuck EA. Thats my main point. I no longer purchase any of their products because of their lack of support. If I want want one of their games I simply download it.
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so, you've decided to be a thief because you don't like the company but you want to play their games?
i really wish they would take copyright laws more seriously and put assholes like you in jail!
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173783 is a reply to message #173757] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 18:30 |
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 18:25 |
What that also means is that our client software will happily send over our serials, usernames, and encrypted passwords. But, what good would they be without WOL online anymore? What harm could be done with them? Pretty much nothing.
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ea has always said "don't give your serial number to anyone. if they get it you can lose your playing ability"
now, these strangers will have our serials and our usernames. they can also get our passwords easily enough with any brute force password program.
also, is this the only information they are getting? or are they getting info from our profiles or registrations also?
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173786 is a reply to message #173784] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 18:59 |
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| gbull wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 20:49 |
100% dedication towards command and conquer? If that's 100% dedication, I would hate to see what 50% is. Tell them I said EA sucks. Make a "good" command and conquer game and I will change my mind. I believe many share this opinion.
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yes i share your opinion
| HORQWER wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 20:47 |
this is not a real renegade forums ,some one made it up
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #173799 is a reply to message #173782] |
Thu, 06 October 2005 21:13 |
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| spotelmo wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 19:26 |
| genetix wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 19:54 |
Its .
Fuck EA. Thats my main point. I no longer purchase any of their products because of their lack of support. If I want want one of their games I simply download it.
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so, you've decided to be a thief because you don't like the company but you want to play their games?
i really wish they would take copyright laws more seriously and put assholes like you in jail!
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I would like to see them try. They wouldn't go after me anyway. They would go after the source.
I'll admit EA games makes good games. But I believe a company should support their products or be punished to the full extent of the law. For example. I bought a game called Gangland. It wouldn't work so I emailed the support team. 42 emails later they said they would email me back if they found a result to the problem. 2 emails before that they told me I was the first one to post a problem in the last 14 months.... I tried that game on 4 different computers and could NEVER get it to work. To bad theirs a no return policy.
Thats why I download games. To me when you buy a game you buy support. Not the software.
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