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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159500 is a reply to message #155968] Sun, 12 June 2005 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...And Hitler had the potential to win WWII up until the point where he actively pursued the Russians instead of the British.

The battle of Saratoga, while a decisive victory does not guaruntee the American victory, as an infinite number of variables would spell victory or defeat for either side when you factor out an otherwise substantial variable into the equation. Only in your hypothetical world is it valid. But in that world, anything is possible.




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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159514 is a reply to message #155968] Sun, 12 June 2005 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Still doesn't mean that I can't take an educated guess as to what the outcome would have been. From the way the war was going after Saragota, the colonists were on their way to victory. It is my personal opinion that the colonists would have defeated the British.

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To answer pothead's question, YES, the Iraqis ARE fighting alongside us. You probably don't pay attention, but you'll hear "an Iraqi fighter did this", "an Iraqi fighter did that".

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/12/iraq.main/index.ht ml -- Describes something Iraqi police found

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# Insurgents attacked a minibus carrying Iraqi construction workers Saturday, killing 10 people and wounding three. Gunmen riding in two cars opened fire on the vehicle as it traveled between Latifiya and Yusufiya in Babil province, south of Baghdad.See, they're helping to rebuild!

# A suicide bomber dressed as a police commando blew himself up Saturday in a group of Iraqi police Wolf Brigade commandos who had gathered for roll call, Iraqi police said. The blast killed three police commandos and wounded 17 others, police said. Oh look, they have Commandos


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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159530 is a reply to message #159519] Sun, 12 June 2005 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Sun, 12 June 2005 18:21

To answer pothead's question, YES, the Iraqis ARE fighting alongside us. You probably don't pay attention, but you'll hear "an Iraqi fighter did this", "an Iraqi fighter did that".

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/12/iraq.main/index.ht ml -- Describes something Iraqi police found

Further quotes from the article:
# Insurgents attacked a minibus carrying Iraqi construction workers Saturday, killing 10 people and wounding three. Gunmen riding in two cars opened fire on the vehicle as it traveled between Latifiya and Yusufiya in Babil province, south of Baghdad.See, they're helping to rebuild!

# A suicide bomber dressed as a police commando blew himself up Saturday in a group of Iraqi police Wolf Brigade commandos who had gathered for roll call, Iraqi police said. The blast killed three police commandos and wounded 17 others, police said. Oh look, they have Commandos


:biggrin:pothead, thats cute.
But you didn't answer the questions,All you did was proving that the Iraqis can't fight for themself.

Do you think its possible to kill all the insurgents and the people who follow saddam's reign.


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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159551 is a reply to message #155968] Sun, 12 June 2005 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does the fact that you don't believe we can mean we should pull out and let the terrorists take the country back? Your uncle sacrificed too much to let that country go back to the way it was.

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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159563 is a reply to message #155968] Mon, 13 June 2005 00:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're right, they can't fight for themselves yet. That's why we're still helping them. You know you just contradicted yourself? I
proved that the Iraqis ARE doing the fighting

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Why can't the Iraqis fight for their own freedom now? saddam gone.


This is what you asked. I answered it and proved that they are helping us and being trained by us to defend themselves. I'm not sure where you're going with this because you are acknowledging that they can't yet fight for themselves, and yet you don't want us to help them.

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Is it me or do it just look like our troops the only ones fighting for the Iraqis freedom? answer that!



OK, so I proved that wrong and you apparently agree that they ARE fighting with us for their freedom, but condemn them for not being able to do all the fighting for themselves. There's no pleasing you, is there?


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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159583 is a reply to message #159563] Mon, 13 June 2005 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 02:38

You're right, they can't fight for themselves yet. That's why we're still helping them. You know you just contradicted yourself? I
proved that the Iraqis ARE doing the fighting

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Why can't the Iraqis fight for their own freedom now? saddam gone.


This is what you asked. I answered it and proved that they are helping us and being trained by us to defend themselves. I'm not sure where you're going with this because you are acknowledging that they can't yet fight for themselves, and yet you don't want us to help them.

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Is it me or do it just look like our troops the only ones fighting for the Iraqis freedom? answer that!



OK, so I proved that wrong and you apparently agree that they ARE fighting with us for their freedom, but condemn them for not being able to do all the fighting for themselves. There's no pleasing you, is there?


LOL,I'm saying why are the U.S.A. troops the only ones over there. I know we got more nations in the world that believe the Iraqis should be free.


And as for the Iraqis , I realize they to damn stupid to fight for themself, only thing they good at is blowing themselfs up. Sarcasm


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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159590 is a reply to message #155968] Mon, 13 June 2005 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You suck as an American... wait, as a human being.

Why are we the only nation fighting? Because all the fucking liberal controlled governments around the world are preventing their nations from helping us out.

Iraqis are only good at blowing stuff up? How fucking stupid can you be? You fail at life. Go kill yourself.


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USA the only nation fighting? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you guys bother to think before posting or do you just type what first pile of shit jumps into your brain?

Here's a list of nations who were and mostly still are fighting in Iraq:

Britain
United States
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK)
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Colombia
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Italy
Czech Republic
Spain
Portugal
Denmark
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Philippines
Slovakia
Kuwait
Turkey
Uzbekistan
Qatar
Bahrain
Macedonia
Netherlands
Romania
Poland
South Korea
Nicaragua
El Savador
Iceland
Mongolia
Singapore
Uganda
Dominican Republic
Honduras
Palau
Costa Rica
Solomon Islands
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Rwanda
Bulgaria
Tonga
Angola
Ukraine
Panama
Thailand


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That's irrelevant to this thread.

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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159603 is a reply to message #155968] Mon, 13 June 2005 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know there are more nations... just dwarfed by the American troops.

Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159609 is a reply to message #159598] Mon, 13 June 2005 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Toolstyle wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 11:55

USA the only nation fighting? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you guys bother to think before posting or do you just type what first pile of shit jumps into your brain?

Here's a list of nations who were and mostly still are fighting in Iraq:

Britain
United States
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK)
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Colombia
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Italy
Czech Republic
Spain
Portugal
Denmark
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Philippines
Slovakia
Kuwait
Turkey
Uzbekistan
Qatar
Bahrain
Macedonia
Netherlands
Romania
Poland
South Korea
Nicaragua
El Savador
Iceland
Mongolia
Singapore
Uganda
Dominican Republic
Honduras
Palau
Costa Rica
Solomon Islands
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Rwanda
Bulgaria
Tonga
Angola
Ukraine
Panama
Thailand



Prove it!


And like I said iraqis are only good for one thing blowing themself up, If you know another please let me know. Tell Me


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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159613 is a reply to message #159583] Mon, 13 June 2005 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 09:49


And as for the Iraqis , I realize they to damn stupid to fight for themself, only thing they good at is blowing themselfs up. Sarcasm



Blowing themselves up is the only thing they are good at... yes. And people keep saying that there are no ill side effects to the use of marijuana. I'd say this proves there is at least one: unprecedented stupidity.
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kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 14:03


Prove it!




Prove it, you say? Ok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing

Scroll down to the "Coalition members" section, and you can see who is currently doing what and the number of troops in Iraq as of March 2005.
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warranto wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 13:24

kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 14:03


Prove it!




Prove it, you say? Ok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing

Scroll down to the "Coalition members" section, and you can see who is currently doing what and the number of troops in Iraq as of March 2005.



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Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? [message #159631 is a reply to message #155968] Mon, 13 June 2005 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm really not sure what you're trying to establish with this thread. First you don't want to lay down your life for your country because of a President who made a moral decision that you seem to share and/or agree with that was also necessary, but are not willing to help see it through yourself, to go further to insult the people of the nation who are supposedly too stupid to fight for themselves.

Are you braindead?



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kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 14:58

I can always count on you warranto to answer the question.I do this shit for fun,Post a half ass opinion and chill while ya'll go find a fact to prove Im wrong,So don't blame the Good Buda for my postings. Listen

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Javaxcx wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 14:52

I'm really not sure what you're trying to establish with this thread. First you don't want to lay down your life for your country because of a President who made a moral decision that you seem to share and/or agree with that was also necessary, but are not willing to help see it through yourself, to go further to insult the people of the nation who are supposedly too stupid to fight for themselves.

Are you braindead?


I never said I was with that war shit,I said I wouldn't fight for bush and I never agreed to nothing. only thing that come close is when I said they should be free.Fuck everything else in the world and tend to the Iraqis freedom huh?

Is the Iraqis freedom worth more than your life?


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j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 13:16

I know there are more nations... just dwarfed by the American troops.



So does that means that their contributions and sacrifices aren't as important?


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Toolstyle wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:24

j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 13:16

I know there are more nations... just dwarfed by the American troops.



So does that means that their contributions and sacrifices aren't as important?

I never said that. Just because I don't give them credit (which I should do) doesn't mean that I don't think their contributions aren't important.


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Toolstyle wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 15:24

j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 13:16

I know there are more nations... just dwarfed by the American troops.



So does that means that their contributions and sacrifices aren't as important?


Well,you can't believe everything on the news...


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kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:57


I never said I was with that war shit,I said I wouldn't fight for bush and I never agreed to nothing. only thing that come close is when I said they should be free.Fuck everything else in the world and tend to the Iraqis freedom huh?

Is the Iraqis freedom worth more than your life?


I never said that you said anything. I said you seem to give off that impression, and you've just gone and agreed to that with that semi-coherent gumble of words.

The question as to "why Iraq" doesn't really hold much water, seeing how you have to start somewhere no matter how you want to go about dealing with malevolent dictators. If it were Iran, there is a likelihood that you would say "why Iran", and so on.

As for the question of giving up my life for another? Jesus said that there is no greater love than to give up your life for another. I tend to think under the WWJD mentality as much as I can, so I think that is a distinct possibility.



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Javaxcx wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 21:27

kinghigh1 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:57


I never said I was with that war shit,I said I wouldn't fight for bush and I never agreed to nothing. only thing that come close is when I said they should be free.Fuck everything else in the world and tend to the Iraqis freedom huh?

Is the Iraqis freedom worth more than your life?


I never said that you said anything. I said you seem to give off that impression, and you've just gone and agreed to that with that semi-coherent gumble of words.

The question as to "why Iraq" doesn't really hold much water, seeing how you have to start somewhere no matter how you want to go about dealing with malevolent dictators. If it were Iran, there is a likelihood that you would say "why Iran", and so on.

As for the question of giving up my life for another? Jesus said that there is no greater love than to give up your life for another. I tend to think under the WWJD mentality as much as I can, so I think that is a distinct possibility.



you right,I'm speechless but the part about giving your life for another, only family would I give my life.

If you wanna say dying in that war was giving your life for another.I can't, I'd wait until they brought the war to the usa.I know the fight would be worth my life then.


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j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 18:10

Toolstyle wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 16:24

j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 13:16

I know there are more nations... just dwarfed by the American troops.



So does that means that their contributions and sacrifices aren't as important?

I never said that. Just because I don't give them credit (which I should do) doesn't mean that I don't think their contributions aren't important.


Ok. It just seemed you were dismissing the contributions of members of my family and my friends, as well as hundreds of my countrymen, have made to the war effort.

zgunner12 wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 21:35

Well,you can't believe everything on the news...



What?


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He's right about that. You can't always believe what you see in mainstream media. It's mainly nothing but propaganda for either the left or the right, more times left.

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