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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132882] Tue, 18 January 2005 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Morality != legality.

Just because he broke the law first doesn't mean you are allowed to now.



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132883] Tue, 18 January 2005 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Morality != legality.

Just because he broke the law first doesn't mean you are allowed to now.


SO your willing to go tell one of those peoples family members, that o sorry even if he is doing all of this, we can't help you because of legality reasons.


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And deathgod, i hate stupid forgieners, so we'll call it even.


That's great, but I'm not a foreigner. Wish I was, then maybe I wouldn't be surrounded by bigots and close-minded fools.


Your an american who hates america. Your scum, your a pathetic excuse for one of my countrymen. If you hate America so much leave.

You may as well say, if you hate the rest of the world so much, just bomb the fuck out of it.

Oh wait... you are, aren't you? :rolleyes:


When did i say i wanted to blow up the rest of the world?? In fact i've stated im against that.

LOOK HERE YOU FOOL'S, ONCE AGAIN ONE OF YOUR LEFTY'S TAKE MY WORDS AND WORDS I HAVN'T EVER EVEN SPOKE AND TRY TO MAKE AS THO I HAVE, SAD SAD SAD.

but just like any other lefty, you make attacks against me and avoid the issues or even show an respectable side to the issues. Great job. /me claps.


SIR YOU CANNOT PROVE BY TYPING THAT THEY ARE LEFT HANDED

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CAPS LOCKING YOUR IGNORANT WAY INTO FAGGOTRY BY STATING THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BACK UP

OH DEAR I FEAR I MAY NOT BE REFERRING TO YOUR LEFT HANDED COMMENT ANYMORE Sad


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132885] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SO your willing to go tell one of those peoples family members, that o sorry even if he is doing all of this, we can't help you because of legality reasons.


That isn't the issue, you moron. The issue is that the act was illegal. Moreso, your nation seems to be avoiding any responsability on that note. Morality and legality are two completely seperate issues here. On the one hand, helping those in disregard of legality is one thing (and may be the only thing you and I agree on), but the act is still wrong if despite the rightness of the consequences, no responsability regarding the legal consequences is taken. THAT is cowardice.



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132886] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SO your willing to go tell one of those peoples family members, that o sorry even if he is doing all of this, we can't help you because of legality reasons.


That isn't the issue, you moron. The issue is that the act was illegal. Moreso, your nation seems to be avoiding any responsability on that note. Morality and legality are two completely seperate issues here. On the one hand, helping those in disregard of legality is one thing (and may be the only thing you and I agree on), but the act is still wrong if despite the rightness of the consequences, no responsability regarding the legal consequences is taken. THAT is cowardice.


answer the question jackass.

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SO your willing to go tell one of those peoples family members, that o sorry even if he is doing all of this, we can't help you because of legality reasons???


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132890] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are changing the subject to encompass morality. And I have already addressed that. The difference between you and me is that regardless of my moral inclines, I wouldn't defer from my legal responsabilities. You, obviously, would.

Now stop avoiding the BBC issue and defend yourself, or shut up and cease your otherwise baseless bigotry against people who are different then you.



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132903] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are changing the subject to encompass morality. And I have already addressed that. The difference between you and me is that regardless of my moral inclines, I wouldn't defer from my legal responsabilities. You, obviously, would.
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Okay then, i want you to state that you would let those people die and be tourchered because of "llegality" reasons.

That shows how big of a man you are, you would rather follow the "law" than stop innocent people woman and children from being brutily murdered. YOU SIR are a coward. How dare you even refere to my nation as being cowardly. WE WENT AGAINST MORONS LIKE YOU, PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER GO AND FOLLOW THE LAW THAN DO THE RIGHT THING. YOu sir are a pathetic excuse for a human being.


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132904] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You moron. You haven't read a word I wrote. "I" wrote:

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On the one hand, helping those in disregard of legality is one thing (and may be the only thing you and I agree on),



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132906] Tue, 18 January 2005 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You moron. You haven't read a word I wrote. "I" wrote:

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On the one hand, helping those in disregard of legality is one thing (and may be the only thing you and I agree on),



:rolleyes: Then whats the problem here??

You also said

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The issue is that the act was illegal


If you agree taht i may be illegal, but its the right thing to do. Then why would you even bring up the fact that OMG ITS ILLEGAL. Quite hippocrytical if you ask me.


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132909] Tue, 18 January 2005 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just because an act is morality right does NOT mean that it is legal. Conversely, in rare cases, what is illegal can be morally right. Just because IN MY OPINION it was morally right does not waver the FACT that the act was illegal.

Listen to me very carefully you illiterate child:

YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THING THE WRONG WAY. MORALITY OF AN ACT DOES NOT DETERMINE THE ACT'S LEGALITY



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132910] Tue, 18 January 2005 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh and

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I wouldn't defer from my legal responsabilities. You, obviously, would.



So basicly what i get from that statement is this.

You do not like the war, not because of the morality of it, but because you follow the law by the book. Which is basicly saying to me, You agree we should be there because what he was doing is wrong and it would be wrong for us to sit and watch it, but then again , its lleagle so let them die. Hypocryt (however its spelt) at its best.

They are differnt things, thats common sense, but at times they come hand and hand with each other. You have one or the other you can't have both.

And yes, i would go agaisnt the law for damn sure on something like this. If your against saving a few thousand people's lives then, well what ever you can live with that then i can too.


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132911] Tue, 18 January 2005 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If a cop illegally breaks into a house and finds a pound of cocaince, he might've caught a dealer or distributer. HOWEVER, he still ILLEGALLY broke into the house. Just because he got lucky and found something doesn't make it any less illegal...
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Just because an act is morality right does NOT mean that it is legal. Conversely, in rare cases, what is illegal can be morally right. Just because IN MY OPINION it was morally right does not waver the FACT that the act was illegal.

Listen to me very carefully you illiterate child:

YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THING THE WRONG WAY. MORALITY OF AN ACT DOES NOT DETERMINE THE ACT'S LEGALITY


Your just like the BBC, you throw in inreletive attacks at me, moron.

You have condredicted your self about 100 fucking times, make up your fucking mind on were you stand.

IF YOU THINK IT WAS MORALLY RIGHT THEN WHY WOULD YOU BE AGAINST IT?? HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE SAVING THOUSANDS OF LIVES AND EVEN BRING LLEGALITY INTO IT, THAT IS THE MOST COWARD STATEMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD.


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If a cop illegally breaks into a house and finds a pound of cocaince, he might've caught a dealer or distributer. HOWEVER, he still ILLEGALLY broke into the house. Just because he got lucky and found something doesn't make it any less illegal...


If i drove to your houses, was in the proccess of killing your entire family. Would you go with Javvax's approach and

A) Not do anything about it, because even though i killed your family, if you kill me, its still agianst the law because killing is wrong 11121111

or

B) Go with my approach and defend yourself and help those in need of accistence. ???


Dude, if your going to come out with some kind of story problem, at least make it relevient. YOU CAN NOT compare fucking drugs and breaking into a house with "breaking" into a nation , otherthrowing a dictaror, and free'ing thousands and thousands of people. You just can't.


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You do not like the war, not because of the morality of it, but because you follow the law by the book. Which is basicly saying to me, You agree we should be there because what he was doing is wrong and it would be wrong for us to sit and watch it, but then again , its lleagle so let them die. Hypocryt (however its spelt) at its best.


That isn't hypocrisy. My stance is that your nation has done the right thing the wrong way, and seem to refuse to take responsability for the wrongness of committing an illegal act.

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They are differnt things, thats common sense, but at times they come hand and hand with each other. You have one or the other you can't have both.


You're wrong. Accept responsability for your crimes. C4prox speaks truth.



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You do not like the war, not because of the morality of it, but because you follow the law by the book. Which is basicly saying to me, You agree we should be there because what he was doing is wrong and it would be wrong for us to sit and watch it, but then again , its lleagle so let them die. Hypocryt (however its spelt) at its best.


That isn't hypocrisy. My stance is that your nation has done the right thing the wrong way, and seem to refuse to take responsability for the wrongness of committing an illegal act.

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They are differnt things, thats common sense, but at times they come hand and hand with each other. You have one or the other you can't have both.


You're wrong. Accept responsability for your crimes. C4prox speaks truth.


Explain to me in detail how you would have gone about it. And i will tell you why i think its wrong. Please do so, make it 2 pages if you want i'll read it all.


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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132919] Tue, 18 January 2005 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My interpretation of the situation is irrelevant (not "inreletive", or whatever were trying to say). The deed is done and the act is illegal. Sure, you saved tens of thousands of lives and that is morally sound. You also broke the law. Now accept responsability for it.

Now, stop avoiding this issue and find the evidence supporting your BBC bigotry.



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America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #132925] Tue, 18 January 2005 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your just like the BBC, you throw in inreletive attacks at me, moron.

Congratulations. You've gone from baseless to downright incomprehensible.


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If i drove to your houses, was in the proccess of killing your entire family. Would you go with Javvax's approach and

A) Not do anything about it, because even though i killed your family, if you kill me, its still agianst the law because killing is wrong 11121111

or

B) Go with my approach and defend yourself and help those in need of accistence. ???


To be honest, I'd probably beat you unconsious and wait for the cops to get there. Now, before you say "OGM PUSSY DISGRACE LIEK OGM LEFT WINGED MOORE LOLZ," a lifetime in jail is way worse than death. If you die, you just die...you don't pay for what you did. Whereas being stuck in jail getting your bunghole stretched 'till it gives out= bad.
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Cowmisfit, I think you are a pathetic excuse for a human - answer the fucking question Javaxcx asked about you proving the BBC has it in for America - being.

Subtle, eh.

Anyway, back to the main point... oh wait, that was it.

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Your just like the BBC, you throw in inreletive attacks at me, moron.

(Inreletive. XD)

Oh, so you've FOUND something showing the BBC has done this.
Well?

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You do not like the war, not because of the morality of it, but because you follow the law by the book


So, by your understanding here, anyone who follows the law is a fool, since anyone who follow the law... well, that never gets things done, does it.
I bet you don't even care about all those people in Cuba who have still never been proved of doing anything wrong. Thanks to the US Governments (say, there's a pattern here) side-stepping of Human rights, law, amendments, blah blah blah, you've worked yourself into quite a situation.

You release them, they'll have you in front of a court faster than you can say Guantanemo Bay (sp). You don't release them, this'll dog you for ages.

I pray that American people don't start blowing things up like they alledgedly did, or when the time comes to "release" American detainees, the world will turn around and very politely tell them to fuck off.

Wait a sec, I've been a blind fool.

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You do not like the war, not because of the morality of it, but because you follow the law by the book


So, the war was ok because you were morally right to go in, and damned be the consequences. Let's sidestep the law on this occasion, but the next time someone stabs me, well. I'll just claim all my rights now, eh. (Pattern's back). Haven't you just admited that the war was illegal now? Asking us whether we follow the rule of law and then telling us that that is the main reason we hate the war is only going to support our side.
Why the hell is Java spending so much time on this when you are perfectly capable of disproving anything you say so EASILY.
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I despise people who compare crap thats un-comparable. Like going into a nation and freeing thousands of people to getting stabbed. What the fuck of logic is that? O i forgot its not, its just you spouting off at the mouth.

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So, again, instead of attacking the issues you just attack the messanger. How quaint and predictable.


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Let me get this straight, Cowmisfit.

Because you're American and I'm British, my opinion regarding the US President (which I don't think I've even expressed, but that's besides the point) is worthless compared to yours.

Because you're American and I'm British, my opinion regarding the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation is worthless compared to yours.


I hate America for this reason.


Not all of us are like that Sad. Just a little bit over half of the country is... Confused


But it happens to be the half in power, so the rest of us suffer for it.

Funny. You can't include me in that ignorance group, so don't even try. I'm a Conservative and proud of it. Just because Eminem and Michael Moore side with you doesn't make you better, in fact, I laugh at those two supporting your side. I sure as hell wouldn't want those two with me.


So because I dislike Bush means I support those two jerkoffs? Wrong. Don't jump to conclusions you can't support. I don't believe in much of anything political, personally... everyone in politics only wants your support as far as it furthers their own agenda. Rare is the politician who is looking out for the good of society, and even then it is impossible to please everyone. The whole idea is futile.


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Yes, your views are as important as mine. With out your insanly wrong views we couldn't have the little debates we have now. With out the left and right you have no democracy.

Stop being reatards and taking ONE sentance from my post and then not the rest of it. Thats exactly what you fucking morons are using against me, ONE sentence and not the rest of the story. Your no better than moore for this reason. BITS and PEICES and then twisting them against me.

And deathgod, i hate stupid forgieners, so we'll call it even.

1. Views cannot be wrong.

2. Don't badmouth Moore. His work to undermine Bush's admnistration is all in the interest of the USA and to correct wrongs in this country.

3. "Stupid foregners" hate you. Take a flight to London. See how much they love Bush there. Tony Bliars's um..err...Blair's approval rating is at all all time high. Then maybe move on to Madrid, Barcelona and Paris? Possibly Ukraine also seeing as they just withdrew their troops from Iraq.

4.You should listen to Java. Just because "liberating" people seemed like the moral thing to do, it was not legal. (Not that I think Bush/Cheney care about morality, but thats another story)


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And deathgod, i hate stupid forgieners, so we'll call it even.


That's great, but I'm not a foreigner. Wish I was, then maybe I wouldn't be surrounded by bigots and close-minded fools.


Your an american who hates america. Your scum, your a pathetic excuse for one of my countrymen. If you hate America so much leave.


You are the close-minded fool I am referring to. CONGRATURATION!! A WINNER IS YOU!!!

I am planning to leave, believe me. I've been planning it ever since I was in middle school, but there are things I have to take advantage of first. It's not as easy as just up and leaving, either. That's the kind of statement that is easy to throw at someone but is quite difficult for them to actually follow through on. For example, there are fairly lengthy immigration processes to follow through if one is leaving for another country, no matter where you go, and I want to get a degree and more work experience under my belt to make me better equipped to meet those requirements.

As for your post, if I am a pathetic excuse for an American, I suppose you fit the bill, with your poor grammar and bigotry. If that's what it takes to fit in here, I'm glad I fail at it. That means I am succeeding at life.

This place is going down the tubes, and I fully expect I will see America as we know it fall within my lifetime. It'll probably be the best thing that happened to the rest of the world since WW2.


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