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Mon, 20 December 2004 19:37  |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17216&c=206
Yes, that's right. Seems as if "President" Bush authorized torture and this wasn't just a small isolated thing. But anyone who reads news already knew that.
And guess what? This story will NEVER make the media outlets unless it snowballs, because they are not news. Don't feign yourselves into thinking they are.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #127971] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 19:42  |
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| aclu.com |
A document released for the first time today by the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that President Bush issued an Executive Order authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq.
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Yeah...SUGGESTS. Doesn't say yes or no, and plus, even if it was true...so what? We torture them to get answers. That saves American lives in the long run if we can get important information out of them.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 19:45 |
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cowmisfit
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P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A M-O-R-O-N
You need help, your a sad sad shadow of a child, you give our President no respect, you give no one but people who share your hippie views with respect, you do nothing but spread propaganda, which you can not possible belive, if you do i feel sad for you and even worse for your parents (who i think should be beat with a rubber hose and electric lines for teaching you such loads of crap and not beating your ass enough when you were little). How could you possible belive such crap that our president authorized that?? Your simply full of it dude, sad sad sad.
And he's PRESIDENT BUSH not "PRESIDENT" BUSH, , he won office, the people spoke, give him the title he rightfuly won.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 19:47 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Well, how about you READ the document and decide for yourself?
Oh, and the Geneva Convention CLEARLY outlines that we will not torture people and the Constitution CLEARLY outlines that all signed treaties are the law of the land. Americans are not somehow more "godly" or more deserving to live than non-Americans. We're all people. Get it through your conservative skull.
EDIT: cowmisfit, are you going to read the article or just be an idiot?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #127977] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 19:53 |
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cowmisfit
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You people get our soilders killed EVERYDAY, people like you who post this garbage false propaganda. The terrorist and just normal people see this crap and they belive it , but they have an excuse, there not educated, YOU however are a fully educated American (even though you hate america) YOu have no excuse to beleive this shit except for the fact your parents are morons, which has to be the place you get your FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR left views from. THese people who besides the fact wouldn't think of killing one of our men, see this crap and belive it they go out and get one of our boys killed (which im sure you dont' care anything about as long as we arn't invading on anyones freedoms and bush gets blamed for it).
YOU feed the fires of hate, you feed the fire that kills our boys in Iraq and Afganistan and around the world everyday with your sympothetic feelings torward the terrrorist.
Get out of my country, im sure france or canada will take you.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 19:54 |
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
Oh, and the Geneva Convention CLEARLY outlines that we will not torture people and the Constitution CLEARLY outlines that all signed treaties are the law of the land. Americans are not somehow more "godly" or more deserving to live than non-Americans. We're all people. Get it through your conservative skull.
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Listen to me, mindless drone.
It's people like you who spread this shit that gets to the general public. The general public sees it, and they don't like it. In return, they complain to their elected officials that they don't like the war. The officials, afraid to lose the office, vote against supporting our troops. This weakens our troops, and in return, KILLS MORE OF OUR MEN BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS EQUIPPED. Brilliant strategy you got there, liberals.
Those people aren't POWs. Those people are terrorists attacking our men. They know they can't win, but because their fucked-up loyalties cause them to desire to kill as many of our men as possible. They don't care about dying. In fact, they WANT to die for their cause.
If we torture a few to get the knowledge we need to save more of our men, then LET IT HAPPEN. Yes, they are human, but in order to save more of our men AND more of THEM, we need to get answers NOW.
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #127985] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 20:04 |
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cowmisfit
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Through out history we have broke the "rules" of civilized warfare, we've done it for right and wrong reasons, in vietnam we raped woman for no reason, that was one of the wrong things we've done, we also shot children and woman in vietnam, that was one of the morally objectable things that we were forced to do to save our soilders lives and get info to save our soilders lives, its something that no one wants to do but it has to be done. Kill or be killed, kill or be killed.
Personlly, would i WANT to kill an innocent person, no, would i want to even kill anyone nope, but if it saves the lives of my comrads and protects my freedom and nation, then damn't im gonna kill that son bitch dead.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 20:06 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Cowmisfit:
I suppose you chose to go with the latter.
I don't know why I'm wasting my time on such a pathetic case, but I don't have much to do right now. First, my parents. Both got above a 1400 on their SATs, and my dad regularly works side by side with the top scientific brains in the physics textbook industry as a chief development editor. [Clue for the clueless: Important role.] You also can't declare your pretend lala belief that my parents are below the average intelligence level to rest within the level of "fact."
Now, why do I hate America? Because I don't blindly follow our "leaders" like you do? No, that's why I love America. Again, I reiterate:
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" -Thomas Jefferson
Now, I'm betting you no Arab fundamentalist fighters are reading Renegade Forums to listen to bitches like you.
I care for our soldiers. Don't say I don't. I don't want them in this war. I want every one of them out of the Middle East right now. I never wanted any of them to be there. I never did, wanted, would, want or ever will want ANY of our soldiers to be hurt.
j-balls430:
First topic: One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. The vast majority of the populace probably never once wrote a complaint to their officials, because they just don't care that much. And those in positions of public office aren't going to vote against any more money for our troops, they're going to vote against our troops being in active combat if the populace demands it. If the citizens of the United States believe our soldiers are in an unjust war, then they can bring them out of the unjust war. Although, since a big chunk of voters on election day were voting on "moral values," your group obviously doesn't care.
Terrorists and soldiers aren't the same thing. And that still doesn't justify torture. Are you saying it does? You're wrong. Read the article.
Nope, still wrong. The United States does not torture anyone. Well, until "President" Bush, we didn't.
Now, both of you have one last chance to get back on the topic of this article instead of attacking me ad hominem. If you're not going to address the article and instead try and throw your drivle at me, I quite frankly don't give a damn,
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #127989] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 20:11 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You actually read the ACLU web site...
YOU ARE A LOSER.
Besides if it is true who the hell cares. Beating the shit outta terrorists for information. Sounds pretty fair to me.
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No, I got this tidbit from a blog site independent of the ACLU.
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SFE I don't like picking sides but i am going to have to go with "them" this time, Shut up. I have relatives over in the middle east that i care about and then the people trying to kill them i would much rather have the retards with no education die then them, interrogation is fine by me, you need to relize as many stupid decisions Bush makes he makes some good ones, just let it go.
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Oh, so we should go to their land and then kill them before we can kill us because in your eyes it's the best thing to do? How quaint.
Also, this article is implying that Bush lied about whether or not he knew about torture in the Middle East. If we're going to be doing to them what Saddam did to them, shouldn't we at least know about it? Also, wasn't lying why Clinton was impeached and the main reason most of you dislike him? Or was that somehow different because otherwise you would all be caught in hypocrisy?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #127996] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 20:17 |
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cowmisfit
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I don't know why I'm wasting my time on such a pathetic case, but I don't have much to do right now. First, my parents. Both got above a 1400 on their SATs, and my dad regularly works side by side with the top scientific brains in the physics textbook industry as a chief development editor. [Clue for the clueless: Important role.] You also can't declare your pretend lala belief that my parents are below the average intelligence level to rest within the level of "fact."
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Wow, that means umm nothing?? I dont' give a shit how high of a score they got on there SAT's, it means squat. They have no REAL LIFE skills, they have no COMMON SENSE, things you can't learn from a text book.
SO my statement stands, your parents are morons and shouldn't be rasing a child if they are going to instill beleifs of hate for ones country and harborning terrorist into them.
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Now, I'm betting you no Arab fundamentalist fighters are reading Renegade Forums to listen to bitches like you.
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Its not the point if there reading HERE, there reading stuff that people in higher people put out on the media waves, teh same crap you support and post here, you support it you support killing our troops as far as im concerned.
[quote]I care for our soldiers. Don't say I don't.[quote]
You don't care about them or you wouldn't be posting crap like this to get them killed.
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I don't want them in this war. I want every one of them out of the Middle East right now. I never wanted any of them to be there. I never did, wanted, would, want or ever will want ANY of our soldiers to be hurt.
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If you cared anything about america or its men in arms, you wouldn't have made that statement right there, they are PROTECTING OUR NATION, they don't WANT to be there, but most of them do WANT to be there because thats there job and they want to protect our nation and YOU (well not you, but you as in all of us) Thats the biggest hippie statement i've seen in ages, I DON"T WANT ANY OF THEM IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!! , as i've said before, go tell one of the 9/11 victums family you don't think we should be killing those sons a bitchs. O wait, you don't give a shit about them either, you would rather protect the rights of these terrrorist bastards than your own american right to defend freedom.
You don't want any soilders hurt??
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ITS CALLED WAR YOU MORON!! PEOPLE DIE AND GET HURT IN WAR, YOU WANNA CURL UP IN A BALL AND PRAY TO JESUS OR A TREE OR SOMETHING YOU HIPPIE SCUM BAG??? OGM LK I R GIVE UP I R DON"T WANNA HURT YOU EVEN THO YOUR GONNA KILL MY FREINDS AND FAMILY!!, your a pathetic excuse for an american.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 20:21 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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MilkyLep: Why?
If you can't explain it then you obviously aren't being entirely reasonable in stating it.
[P.S. cowmisfit and j-balls430 have both lost their chances to talk to me because they are too stupid to even think of staying on topic. Too bad.]
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #128003] |
Mon, 20 December 2004 20:28 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Just one more thing: Well, you obviously wanted to come and talk to me, as demonstrated by your coming and talking to me. But now, as warned, I must say no more.
Also, that would be "I wrote".
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Because i am tired and i have nothing better to do and you make these type of topics whenever you see an article bashing the prez which in my opinion make you an attetion whore.
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Discourse irritates you? This isn't your kind of forum.
Icedog, read this ACLU article. Then read the documents if you want to. Then think for yourself. Reading and then thinking is the recipe for success.
Now, time to get back on topic. Thoughts on this article? Come on, I know they're there.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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