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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98881] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:11   |
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Aircraftkiller
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Eg. you wanted to be credited because Eric Kearns "saw your Hand of Nod post" and decided to share the old Renegade assets.
You should be credited simply because he read your post?
Actually, Eric was reading the Commando Nod Turret post and that eventually led to releasing the assets (by both you Aircraftkiller and Kearns).
http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=10399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100
Eric is the original author of these assets and by no matter how the assets were edited or copied, the copyright is hold by him and Westwood Studios/Electronic Arts.
You can't simply erase somebody's name from a table and stick your name on it.
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| Eric Kearns - former Westwood Studios Lead Artist for C&C Renegade |
My two cents...
Anything that Westwood made and is out there for Renegade should be freely distributed. Who made these Westwood assets no bearing on the issue. If someone wants to keep these models and not distribute them to the community then it's everyone's lose. The idea of having a mod community to me means everyone shares assets and everyone tries to make their own cool maps using the assets (or their own new ones). If someone wants to keep certain items under their thumb and not let everyone play with em then shame on you. Be a pal and let these people share the fun.
It's simple. I'll find a way to post all the stuff I have so everyone and their mother can get it and use it. If someone wants to run around claiming it was something they made then I'll call their bluff and we'll be done with it.
Now I would figure there would be some opposition to this idea because people are keeping some goods to themselves claiming they have a right to keep certain things private to their mod. So fire away or flame it up or whatever it is that you want to do with such fodder.
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An acknowledgment of work done, as in the production of a motion picture or publication. Often used in the plural: At the end of the film we stayed to watch the credits.
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That's credit. That doesn't equate to respect. Regardless of whatever you think.
What Eric said is his own opinion and I don't happen to share it, because you're a whiny little moron who couldn't do what I asked before I would release those assets voluntarily. You couldn't cut it and get some actual work done, you just wanted something to show off and make people visit your site.
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I don't only read the first few lines just because you think I do.
YOU are the one who told ME that you don't read my entire posts. it was weeks ago, so you probably don't remember it...
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Now put that together with the "I'm just here to piss people off in this thread" remark and you get what's called "pushing buttons to incite funny responses."
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i never said that you claimed to be a part of EA. i said that you act like you should have the final say about any "fixes" to Renegade. and i said that you have no right to act that way because EA has the rights to the game, NOT you.
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I have every right to act that way because we both know that EA isn't going to do anything about this game in the future.
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and i said the community SHOULD be the ones making the decisions.
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and i said that you have no right to act that way because BHS has the rights to RenGuard, NOT you.
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this argument is really pointless though. at the end of the day, everyone's still going to hate you for being a little prick, and everyone's still going to hate me for being in FUD.
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I doubt everyone hates me. Hate is such a strong term to use toward one another. Maybe some people dislike me, but all? I doubt it, I really do. If you think everyone hates me because you're in FUD and you're used to being hated by most gamers for your "pompous ass" attitude...
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i do have one question though: if you really don't care about having the respect of anyone on these forums, why are you defending yourself so vehemently when all i'm really saying is that nobody respects you and nobody should?
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Because saying that is a fallacy in logic. You do not speak for everyone because you are not everyone. Remember where I said I would argue with people who wrote ignorant things?
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98891] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:30 |
KIRBY098
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The ol' EGO DETECTOR is going off.
Mr. Kearns' word is valid because he was on the payroll. Because he helped create this masterpiece.
If you follow your OWN logic that exposure to the Westwood Development team validates your opinion of Renegade, then the same applies to Mr. Kearns even more so. Your disagreement with him, has no merit. You are going against the will of the very company you claim to represent.
A westwood studios employee is a far more credible resource than a kid who made a map, and emailed some folks at Westwood to get it in a patch.
And if you remember correctly, you alone didn't get it in there. The community was polled by Delphi to see if it should be considered. When the response was an overwhelming "YES" it was included.
You have forgotten who helped get you where you are.
The very same Mod community that you now forsake, and Westwood employees who trusted you with thier hard worked resources that you now squander.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98892] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:38 |
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Aircraftkiller
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LOL
Okay, lets start with you next...
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Mr. Kearns' word is valid because he was on the payroll. Because he helped create this masterpiece.
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He wasn't on a payroll to talk about "mod communities" that he wasn't active in with C&C. The game is not a masterpiece, but the engine is.
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If you follow your OWN logic that exposure to the Westwood Development team validates your opinion of Renegade, then the same applies to Mr. Kearns even more so. Your disagreement with him, has no merit. You are going against the will of the very company you claim to represent.
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He wasn't on a payroll to talk about "mod communities" that he wasn't active in with C&C. Eric isn't WS, he was part of WS.
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A westwood studios employee is a far more credible resource than a kid who made a map, and emailed some folks at Westwood to get it in a patch.
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How do you know what happened? That's right, you don't.
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And if you remember correctly, you alone didn't get it in there. The community was polled by Delphi to see if it should be considered. When the response was an overwhelming "YES" it was included.
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No he wasn't. Delphi wasn't even around at September of 2002, he was too busy promoting Generals for EA-P. There was no poll.
I asked Greg Hjelstrom if we could spare the resources to get in an additional level for the game, one that was supposed to be in at the 1.030 patch, and he found a way to get it in through the QA team. I submitted several versions to them and they finally accepted the version we're using now after a patch to 1.036.
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You have forgotten who helped get you where you are.
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No, I haven't. This entire community has helped me get where I am.
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The very same Mod community that you now forsake, and Westwood employees who trusted you with thier hard worked resources that you now squander.
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I've always forsaken this "mod community" because it was always garbage. There have been a few gems in the rough that I've picked up and asked to help me with Renegade Alert but that's about it. I haven't squandered anything. If you want to see work squandered, go look at SeaMan placing specular highlighting over a metal Tiberium Harvester to make it look wrapped in freezer wrap.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98894] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:45 |
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Javaxcx
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Location: Canada, eh?
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Are you dense? Seriously, you're smarter than this.
If you DON'T give credit to someone for something they've done for/to you, you're not respecting that person or their work because you're effectively taking it and showing it off as your own.
If you DO give credit where due, you're showing that "this person did this work; contributed this idea; whatever." This is a conscious decision, "Do I give him credit, or do I not?" You ARE respecting the individual's work, because you are saying "I didn't make this, but this person did. Here is his name".
Growing up in a Military setting, I'd think you of all people would know you don't have to like someone to respect them; but giving credit where credit is due is respectful.[/quote]
Sniper Extraordinaire
Read the FUD Rules before you come in and make an ass of yourself.
All your base are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive make your time.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98895] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:54 |
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Aircraftkiller
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If you DON'T give credit to someone for something they've done for/to you, you're not respecting that person or their work because you're effectively taking it and showing it off as your own.
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No, if you don't give them credit, you're being a thief.
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If you DO give credit where due, you're showing that "this person did this work; contributed this idea; whatever." This is a conscious decision, "Do I give him credit, or do I not?" You ARE respecting the individual's work, because you are saying "I didn't make this, but this person did. Here is his name".
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That isn't respect.
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Growing up in a Military setting, I'd think you of all people would know you don't have to like someone to respect them; but giving credit where credit is due is respectful.
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More like required, not respectful.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98896] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 10:56 |
KIRBY098
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And you are neither WS, or anything to do with it, thus your 'status' is completely invalid, and you should NOT be claimng to represent thier ideology for this game.
And yes, it is a masterpiece. It captured the imagination of all C&C players who loved this game since 1995. It captured the spirit of the genre, and expanded on it to create a game experience many of us will never be able to replace, RenAlert included.
Delphi was around, because Cliff Hicks wasn't, if you remember correctly. Yes, he was busy with Generals. So? He asked this community if Glacier was something we wanted to see incorporated into the last patch. He also asked us some other questions regarding what we wanted to see in the next C&C game, and some other questions about what we liked / didn't like about this game. Seeing as I can't exactly do a database search of the old posts, I will leave it there. The background machinations of why Delphi asked don't really matter.
And if this whole community helped you get where you are, then why do you continue to keep harassing it, and anyone who still enjoys it? There aren't many of us left. Your mission will be complete soon.
It is NOT for you to decide what is a 'keeper' and what isn't for this community. It is up to us when we choose to download it or not.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98898] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 11:00 |
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Javaxcx
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Location: Canada, eh?
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| Aircraftkiller |
No, if you don't give them credit, you're being a thief.
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Thats essentially what I said.
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That isn't respect.
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That is respect. Just because you don't think so doesn't make it so. I can almost guaruntee you that everyone with a shroud of openmindedness to logic would agree.
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More like required, not respectful.
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I would guess you were never IN the Military then were you? You have to respect the authority of officers, as well as the integrity of those around you. You might not like the people, but you better be sure to respect them otherwise you'll find yourself face first in the dirt at 3am. Remember, whenever you say "sir" you're respecting them. You choose to say it, therefore it is respect. Hollow, yes, but still respect.
Sniper Extraordinaire
Read the FUD Rules before you come in and make an ass of yourself.
All your base are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive make your time.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98975] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 14:55 |
mahkra
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wow, ACK, as hard as it is for me to believe, you're even more of a fucking idiot than i ever thought. i'd continue this argument but there's really no point. my insults seem to be way over your head, and you're not even saying anything remotely worth responding to.
so i'm done with this thread for now.
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| Should we fix jumping on barracks on Canyon? [message #98994] |
Fri, 02 July 2004 16:03 |
flyingfox
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Oh how I love when people think that trying to insult me is going to bother me in the least.
For 1, I'm not going to change my signature or name.
2, What I meant by 'treat others as you wish to be treated' is be nice to them & they'll be nice to you, not even slightly based on their signature or name.
3, Don't attempt to insult someone who's not going to be bothered by them to start, you'll just waste your time.
4, I have yet to get banned from ANY forums where I've registered (20+), shows how much you've proven to me in saying "an obnoxiously annoying signature and name that would get you banned from many forums on sight?"
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First of all, it wasn't an insult. If you aren't bothered, why reply? I knew what you meant by the analogy, that wasn't the point.
Let me refer you to a forum that cares a bit more whether or not people act like douchebags. But before I do that, let's take a look at a rule ON THIS VERY FORUM.
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See that little image you got of that stick man trying to kick some door in? see, in a way similar to the stick man, you're SMASHING through that rule at a world record.. some odd 300kb in fact. So not only are you inconsiderate, you're annoying a lot of 56kers (who were probably more annoyed at "pwnage runs in my blood" than anything else).
Now, take a look at the somethingawful.com forum rules. Keep in mind, there are other forums out there with similar rules. http://www.somethingawful.com/forumrules/
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Gimmick posters, unless intensely humorous, will be banned and shot in the face. Same goes for people posting parody threads or SA character impersonations. Any furries or Scientologists will be banned on sight. Anybody who writes in AOL / script kiddie speak (ie "pw3ned", "0wned," "r0x0r") will be banned and we will hunt you down and drive railroad spikes into your hands.
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See now, this is just funny. You'd be going through the ban door like a hyperactive kitten with a rocket strapped to it's back.
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