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| The protests. [message #9592] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 20:53   |
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Cpo64
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Hey the US has lost wars to; they even lost one to Canada, (War of 1812. Well more the Brits, but you got to give us something...) and some others, I don't need to mention them. I am sure you know them. The French have had some victories, although they were sort lived, like Napoleon’s victories, hmmm that’s all I can think of, but surly there are more, I hope, for there sake.
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| The protests. [message #9594] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 21:00 |
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| Cpo64 |
Hey the US has lost wars to; they even lost one to Canada, (War of 1812. Well more the Brits, but you got to give us something...) and some others, I don't need to mention them. I am sure you know them. The French have had some victories, although they were sort lived, like Napoleon’s victories, hmmm that’s all I can think of, but surly there are more, I hope, for there sake.
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The US has never lost a war in its entire history.
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| The protests. [message #9596] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 21:06 |
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Cpo64
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The US has never lost a war in its entire history.
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I hope you are being sarcastic...
Because if you are not, that is the funniest thing I have heard this year.
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| The protests. [message #9607] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 21:36 |
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Cpo64
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Surrender is not the only way to lose a war, you can completely wipe out a country and they may never surrender, does this mean you did not win?
You lose a war when you do not achieve your adjective, or you enemy does achieve there adjective.
This is my definition of Win/Loss, if you say the only way you can lose a war, is by Surrendering, then you are correct, the US, -to my knowledge- has never lost, but I do not believe this is the only way to lose a war, but hey, what do I know.
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| The protests. [message #9618] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:15 |
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| Cpo64 |
Surrender is not the only way to lose a war, you can completely wipe out a country and they may never surrender, does this mean you did not win?
You lose a war when you do not achieve your adjective, or you enemy does achieve there adjective.
This is my definition of Win/Loss, if you say the only way you can lose a war, is by Surrendering, then you are correct, the US, -to my knowledge- has never lost, but I do not believe this is the only way to lose a war, but hey, what do I know.
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I know where you are going with this one dumbass. Vietnam was not a war. Any ways the US did meet its objective of KEEPING South Vietnam free from the North. South Vietnam fell after the US pulled out. This is a fact. It was part of my thesis in college. So don't think you were being slick.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| The protests. [message #9619] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:20 |
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Cpo64
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Ok then, Vietnam, I won't mention that one then. How about The War of 1812? I am sure there are others, but at this time I do not have time to research them.
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| The protests. [message #9620] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:24 |
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| Cpo64 |
Ok then, Vietnam, I won't mention that one then. How about The War of 1812? I am sure there are others, but at this time I do not have time to research them.
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The US didn't lose the War of 1812. If we had we would now be part of Britain. We lost a lot of battles in the War of 1812, including the campaign to capture Canada, but ultimately a peace treaty was signed that ended the war without a real loser.
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| The protests. [message #9625] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:31 |
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Cpo64
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There is more then 2 out comes to a war, as I have already stated. The goal of the War of 1812 was dominion over all of North America, (called Manifest Destiny or something like that,) You did not achieve that, your White House was set afire, Canada and the UK invaded New England, we withdrew because we did not want it, signed a peace treaty, we won, you lost.
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| The protests. [message #9626] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:36 |
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There is more then 2 out comes to a war, as I have already stated. The goal of the War of 1812 was dominion over all of North America, (called Manifest Destiny or something like that,) You did not achieve that, your White House was set afire, Canada and the UK invaded New England, we withdrew because we did not want it, signed a peace treaty, we won, you lost.
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The War of 1812 happened because Britain kept bullying the US. The US got fed up and invaded Canada(british territory), got pushed back by Britain, and the war went on for three years. Britain and the US finally came to an understanding, signed a treaty, and Britain stopped trying to push around the US. So by your definition the US won the War of 1812.
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| The protests. [message #9628] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:47 |
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Cpo64
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That is incorrect, what happened was, warmongers in the US who believed in the divine right delivered from god (Manifest Destiny) that the US was to rule over all of North America, so the invaded Canada thinking it would be an easy fight. They were wrong, and lost a number of American lives over it.
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| The protests. [message #9629] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 22:54 |
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Yeah sure, the British navy taking American sailors and forcing them to serve in the British navy had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Manifest Destiny was an idea that was come up with decades later in order to justify a westward expansion, not a northern expansion.
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| The protests. [message #9635] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 23:21 |
spotelmo
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cpo is partly right. although it wasn't manifest destiny. the war of 1812 was a very unpopular campaign pushed forward by warhawks in congress. no one really wanted it besides them and we were happy to get out of it as soon as possible.
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| The protests. [message #9638] |
Tue, 25 March 2003 23:41 |
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It was pushed by warhawks who wanted to give Britain an ass kicking over Britain's mistreatment of America. I'm sure there were those that wanted to conquer Canada for the land, and overall without the push to war it may have been avoided because of changes that happened in Britain. However the war came about mainly because Britain had no respect for American sovereignty.
http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Aw/war_of_1812
http://www.semo.net/suburb/dlswoff/1812.html
Check out the timeline on this site. Specifically 1803 - 1812.
Also, I'm still trying to find a source, but I if I remember correctly from American History 1, America lost an insignifcant war to Utah in the mid 1800s.
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| The protests. [message #9645] |
Wed, 26 March 2003 00:28 |
spotelmo
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actually, we just enacted an embargo after that. when a new congress full of war hawks was elected, that's when we actually declared war.
the embargo was a clinton type idea which hurt us more than them.
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| The protests. [message #9760] |
Wed, 26 March 2003 11:40 |
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I don't know, these stupid protesters are some what hurting America. At this time Police should not be standing in the streets keeping hippies under control, they should be watching our power plants, water supplies and being on the alert for terror.
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| The protests. [message #9792] |
Wed, 26 March 2003 13:16 |
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Cpo64
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Dam, I had this 4 paragraph statement and the computer crashed, dam convenient you say? Yah I can imagine how you could think that, I would.
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Told you we never lost a war. Look at our Salute we are the only country who salutes with the hand facing down. when a country loses a war they switch it...or so ive heard.
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Many countries salutes with palms turned down. The reason the Commonwealth nations do it is because Queen Elizabeth I decided that she did not want to look at the tarred and ripped up hands of the sailors.
It seems that we agree to disagree, I suppose being that no one really made any advancements both sides are going to say they won, but we did set your White House on fire, which you should be glad of, before that it was green, I think white is a much nicer colour.
No one ever lost to Canada? That is a stupid thing to say, many times we have been an allies of the US, and the US has "never lost" so that means we have had to be victorious a couple of times. Canada was in Vietnam, Korean War, The Gulf War, The Boer War, and The Ceriman War. Not to mention both World Wars, which we were in from the start. We had many victories in both World Wars, most notable being Vimy Ridge, and Dieppe. Canada has also put down many uprisings on our soil, and had revolutions to put down, so our military has had many victories. Best thing about fighting your self is that you come out victorious. Hey, you guys had a civil war, you know all about infighting.
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| The protests. [message #9848] |
Wed, 26 March 2003 16:59 |
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K9Trooper
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Dam, I had this 4 paragraph statement and the computer crashed, dam convenient you say? Yah I can imagine how you could think that, I would.
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Told you we never lost a war. Look at our Salute we are the only country who salutes with the hand facing down. when a country loses a war they switch it...or so ive heard.
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Many countries salutes with palms turned down. The reason the Commonwealth nations do it is because Queen Elizabeth I decided that she did not want to look at the tarred and ripped up hands of the sailors.
It seems that we agree to disagree, I suppose being that no one really made any advancements both sides are going to say they won, but we did set your White House on fire, which you should be glad of, before that it was green, I think white is a much nicer colour.
No one ever lost to Canada? That is a stupid thing to say, many times we have been an allies of the US, and the US has "never lost" so that means we have had to be victorious a couple of times. Canada was in Vietnam, Korean War, The Gulf War, The Boer War, and The Ceriman War. Not to mention both World Wars, which we were in from the start. We had many victories in both World Wars, most notable being Vimy Ridge, and Dieppe. Canada has also put down many uprisings on our soil, and had revolutions to put down, so our military has had many victories. Best thing about fighting your self is that you come out victorious. Hey, you guys had a civil war, you know all about infighting.
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1 Civil War hardly makes us and EXPERT in that field.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| The protests. [message #9903] |
Wed, 26 March 2003 22:49 |
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Cpo64
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Sorry, that was kinda of a dig wasn't it?
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