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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90873] Sat, 29 May 2004 14:33 Go to next message
C4miner is currently offline  C4miner
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It annoys me to see that so many servers are witholding usage of Renguard because of personal issues with BHS and/or the consequential loss of players on the servers.

If every major server would run Renguard then the players problem would be solved, as players not running Renguard would not have a decent server to join.

Many people say they refuse to run Renguard because of some security issues or the possibility of BHS stealing their CD-Key. Well, as BHS said, all CD-Keys they receive are hashed and they cannot decrypt them.

Also, what do you consider worse: Cheaters running rampant and slowly sucking the life out of the game, or absolute RenGuard: all servers running RenGuard, creating an absolutely cheat-free game with only a mild risk of someone at BHS becoming abusive (and, they are all really nice people, and wouldn't do that).

Plus, think of all the other possibilities Renguard has to offer. It can upload patches to any client's data folder and auto-install mods. This means that any and all Renguard servers can become fanmaps servers without the consequence of lower player counts on the servers. It can release fixes to client and server vulnerabilities. I'm sure it can do many other positive things for the players and server-owners. Oh yeah, don't forget that it stops cheaters.

What I'm trying to say here is, I think the server owners should set aside their paranoid mindsets for the time-being in favor of the greater good for the entire Renegade community: Renguard. At least attempt to install Renguard on your servers in unison with the other major servers. See how it goes.

If BHS starts hacking into your server right away and deleting all your files or something, just stop running Renguard (although such a thing would most certainly not happen). If you hate Crimson and that's why you refuse to run RenGuard because of that, I think you need to set your emotions aside. Afterall, this is just the internet and Renegade is just a game. Why not do what's best for it and run Renguard? And possibly patch up some relationship problems...

Please, any and all major servers, do what you can to collaborate and universally run RenGuard. Imagine completely cheat-free game, where map-making is further promoted because a program like RenGuard can distribute it to all its clients in the form of patches.

Servers like NonN00bs and Blackcell really should try to get Renguard by June 1st.
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90877] Sat, 29 May 2004 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its called propaganda, appeal to your fears. Advertising is fine, propaganda is bad.
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90880] Sat, 29 May 2004 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only reason i see people wont use RenGuard on there servers is because they dont want to lose visitors, but then again if everyone thinks like that its never going to change Confused

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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90896] Sat, 29 May 2004 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's the goal of the June 1st initiative. We transitioned the pits and Renstation this weekend and it's going VERY well. I will post some detailed stats today after midnight. Smile

Thank you SO much for this nice post about RenGuard. I know that it's going well, and thousands of gamers are using it daily without a problem, but if you're one of those people, please verbalize it more. Smile Others who are waiting need to hear good things to be motivated. Smile


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90977] Sat, 29 May 2004 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its nice to see that you PUSHED for the implementation of the RenEvo SSC after you posted AGAINST using it. Kinda ironic, eh?
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90987] Sat, 29 May 2004 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't have a choice. I still recommend against using it unless there's no other option. Hopefully there will be another option soon.

I'm the bawss.
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #90990] Sat, 29 May 2004 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Either that or this option gets fixed.
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91006] Sat, 29 May 2004 23:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renguard is a must for every server.

"But if the gameplay sucks, the looks don't matter at all." - Sir Phoenixx

If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91013] Sun, 30 May 2004 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renguard is the worst thing to happen to Renegade.

You cannot use model replacements. And anyone who does not visit the forums is totally screwed. Because they won't find out how to get it.

Plus I have never seen a cheater in renegade. And there are so few people that still play I doubt a cheater would waste their time cheating in a game with 3 other people in it.


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91014] Sun, 30 May 2004 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. Model replacements aren't necessary to play the game. Invalid argument.

2. RG tells people where to get it before kicking them, if you had any idea of what you were arguing about.

3. You don't play Renegade, or you suck so bad that it wouldn't matter if anyone cheated, you still get owned anyway.

4. There are plenty of people that play. There have been over 10,000 installations of RG - oh no, that's no one at all...

5. Cheaters usually frequent 40 player servers. You know, the ones you have no idea about, since you're a fucking clueless idiot.
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TwA is now running WhiteDragon's half-Renguard thingy:

(TwAServ2) GDI players: krimlin07, HTCanada®, exnavyew3®, angelofca, sigo9, heathpac, knivesl, singh6789, Sabin789®, njamnky, pzagas69®, mrmrg®
(TwAServ2) Nod players: majrtom®, blackcry9, hctibu, xxkenshin®, dash444, de4thd3ns, DODGixxer, ace2047, Epzor, Altrix®, akrules®, rambon3, shaide®

EDIT: Nodbugger, have you ever played a game called Command and Conquer: Renegade?


If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91017] Sun, 30 May 2004 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C4miner is currently offline  C4miner
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Nodbugger

Renguard is the worst thing to happen to Renegade.

You cannot use model replacements. And anyone who does not visit the forums is totally screwed. Because they won't find out how to get it.

Plus I have never seen a cheater in renegade. And there are so few people that still play I doubt a cheater would waste their time cheating in a game with 3 other people in it.

You are officially retarded.
If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91018] Sun, 30 May 2004 00:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. Model replacements aren't necessary to play the game. Invalid argument.

2. RG tells people where to get it before kicking them, if you had any idea of what you were arguing about.

3. You don't play Renegade, or you suck so bad that it wouldn't matter if anyone cheated, you still get owned anyway.

4. There are plenty of people that play. There have been over 10,000 installations of RG - oh no, that's no one at all...

5. Cheaters usually frequent 40 player servers. You know, the ones you have no idea about, since you're a fucking clueless idiot.


Model replacement make the game better. You just ruined the entire game for alot of people that liked to use them. Having their rifle look different or they made the bullets shooting look like paint balls.

And how many people will actually go there to get it? How many people are just ocasional gamers and they look and say renguard? What is that. I don't have it so I can't play.

And I have never seen a cheater in renegade. I have played it since it came out. I have never met anyone I could not kill at least once. And if I kill them their cheats must not be working.

10k installations? And you can prove this how? Just wondering.

And I haven't seen a 40 person server in a while. And if a server did allow 40 people only about 10 were in there.


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91020] Sun, 30 May 2004 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You obviously play some different game.

We know how many installations because we can see how many unique serial hashes have accessed the network. That number is nearly 15,000.

Custom models are not disallowed. We didn't realize how many people make their own and didn't release them publically.


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91038] Sun, 30 May 2004 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C4Miner, I completely agree to your statement. As long as there are servers running without Renguard, the players wont use RG frequently. I am not sure about the situation in the US, but in Europe there are some 20 players servers and even 40+ servers not connected to the RG network. Whats worse: some excellent lag minimised 28+ servers are empty all the time, because RG is needed (for example the TTC server).

In my opinion, a large part (maybe even the mayority) of the Renegade community consists of childish noobs, cheaters or simply idiots (no offence to anyone on this board!). These players somehow even dont know how to install a simple application like Renguard. 15.000 installations you say? Where are these players? These noobs even dont know what a serial hash is or the performance loss they probably get. So why do they refuse to join RG protected servers?

Two things could happen after June 1st:
a) Most of the servers will run RG => the mayority will stop playing Renegade. Server admins will have to react and switch off RG.
b) Some server admins do not participate in the June 1st mission. The situation will not change.

Also I am highly pessimistic, I am going to try to be constructive. WE MUST PARTICIPATE AND INSTALL RG on our servers!! Then, RG has to run for weeks even if your server is empty all the time. If players really like Renegade they cannot stop forever. They will come back and are forced to install Renguard.

No matter what we HAVE to! There is no alternative. Just a slow death of Renegade.


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91039] Sun, 30 May 2004 04:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Plus I have never seen a cheater in renegade. And there are so few people that still play I doubt a cheater would waste their time cheating in a game with 3 other people in it.


Where the hell have you been then? Confused


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91048] Sun, 30 May 2004 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think he must have been playing Halo...max 16 player servers and netcode which makes it impossible to cheat (almost completely server side).

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We hit a record number of users today... Plus the pits has been pretty damn successful... over 20 players most of the day.

I'm the bawss.
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There is usually 10+ people running renguard in the TwA server, it doesn't require RG, but it is running WD's modded version of RG for Dragonserv.

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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91144] Sun, 30 May 2004 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We hit a record number of users today... Plus the pits has been pretty damn successful... over 20 players most of the day.


Altough the pitts has some problems with crashing lately, I had some good RG defended games on the pitts. I was actually very amazed to join a full pitts server and hear the announcement of RG being on.


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We hit a record number of users today... Plus the pits has been pretty damn successful... over 20 players most of the day.


so whats the record??


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If only all servers would run RenGuard... [message #91373] Mon, 31 May 2004 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson

We hit a record number of users today... Plus the pits has been pretty damn successful... over 20 players most of the day.


Was pleasantly suprised at how full the server has been since we rengaurded. Smile


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There is usually 10+ people running renguard in the TwA server, it doesn't require RG, but it is running WD's modded version of RG for Dragonserv.

What's even the point of having RenGuard if it isn't needed to play there?
Do I need to download a different version of RenGuard, I haven't heard of a new one by WD?


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He's talking about the server-side RenGuard.

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