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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8000] |
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[sg]the0ne
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theOne as well...you talk alot about what you do not know
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Here have a hot steaming cup of shut the fuck up. More senseless post with no points or facts.
In almost everyone of my post I lay down hard CONCRETE points and facts and you are still slinging mud. When I post I pepper the facts & points with mud slinging...you dont seem to be as interested in facts or solid premises. Come on, say something stupid.
I have several very long post full of points and facts that you have yet to address. These are post from LAST NIGHT. I've brought it to your attention and all you say is "I've already answered that"...but you haven't. Your putting up a very poor showing for 'your side' of the show.
Keep up the good work, I'm going to gather up all of your post and make a thread on you to clearly show your mental super-powers.
The One.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8003] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 20:32 |
KIRBY098
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I'm plenty interested in facts...why dont you whip up another bowl of these "facts"?
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UH UH UH, you first kid. You talk a lot of smack, but never back it up.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8005] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 20:35 |
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[sg]the0ne
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I'm plenty interested in facts...why dont you whip up another bowl of these "facts"?
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I've been presenting plenty of facts. You have yet to address these post :
http://www.n00bstories.com/renforums/viewtopic.php?p=7683#7683
Let me do this again
Why not Iraq ? Others have been attacked for less.
Who do you think is the cause of this situation ? Bush or Saddam ? Please state why.
Who is supose to enforce UN resolutions ? UN doesn't seem interested. More inspections are hardly 'serious consequences' as laid down by UN resolution.
How much time is enough ? 12yrs not long enough ? How about 24yrs ? Perhaps 36yrs ? Can Saddam pass this down to his sons ?
When that time runs out HOW do enforce your will ? Magic Diplomatic Bunny going to come make everything ok w/no bullets or bombs ?
you've made plenty of statements like : "Saddam hasn't done anything" or "That type of thing is illegal" (school stuff). It's really been like shooting fish in a bucket. You have no to little idea of the topics you speak on and then go off claiming THAT about US who are the obvious 'informed' party in the situation.
Allow me to quote myself :| [sg |
the0ne]
"Only specific conversation / questions / proposition of premises and *facts* will allow us to make quantified progress in this forum. Ill conceived logic, poor communication skill, propoganda, opinions, hersay & other gray areas wont take us very far."
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ps. Notice 'our' (pro-war) post are long and drawn out, we state facts and make points. BUT your post are well...very much lacking ANY content much less facts, premises etc.
Thats what I hate about talking to people like you. I devote time, energy and thought into my post and you come back with two sentences of total bullshit. You are literally a waste of my time, a leach of my intellect.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8010] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 20:45 |
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welcome to my proof of American barbarity
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Waht proof? It's true, the "Endgame" is upon them.
Barbarity? Not. I didn't say to kill all towel heads. I say destroy the military and all of the weapons that Iraq has.
Remember Iraq used WMD on 1 million civilians in the past. That is barbarity.
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Still, who still cares about the germans killing millions of jews?
Who cares about the Saudi-Arabia full of terrorist camps and Al-Quaeda supporters?
Who cares about the Pakistan nukes?
Who cares about N-K threatening US?
But why everyone cares about the trained-by-french Iraqii army
Saddam = Evil
Bush = Evil
Both = Warmongers
Bush = Catholic freak
Saddam = Islamic freak
What happens when both are fighting each other?:They fuck!
LET UN DO THEIR FUCKING JOB,yet it's too late since Bush killed UN.
I suck cock and love it... absolutely love it. And I just got banned for being too immature to be allowed to post here.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8044] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 22:14 |
Ren Sizzlefab
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You're absolutely right, the UN doesn't rule anyone, it's supposed to be democratic. And last I checked, America was all for democracy. But I guess by democracy it means you're free to do what you like, as long as it's what America wants you to.
The aim of the war is necessary. The waging of the war probably isn't necessary at this time, but if it achieves its aim with little loss of innocent life, then it's acceptable. But saying you "can't wait for the smackdown on iraq" or "smell iraq cooking" is disgusting and offensive. There is never anything 'good' about a war, and no reasonable person would be happy to see one.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8053] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 22:56 |
Ren Sizzlefab
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You're absolutely right, the UN doesn't rule anyone, it's supposed to be democratic. And last I checked, America was all for democracy. But I guess by democracy it means you're free to do what you like, as long as it's what America wants you to.
The aim of the war is necessary. The waging of the war probably isn't necessary at this time, but if it achieves its aim with little loss of innocent life, then it's acceptable. But saying you "can't wait for the smackdown on iraq" or "smell iraq cooking" is disgusting and offensive. There is never anything 'good' about a war, and no reasonable person would be happy to see one.
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Iraq had 12 YEARS to disarm. We have been to patient. I am a Gulf War Veteran. Good does come out of war.
1. Slavery ended because of a war.
2. Nazi Germany fell because of a war.
3. Imperial Japan fell because of war.
4. The US gained its independence because of war.
5. Kuwait was liberated because of war.
6. Afghan women can get an education now because of war.
7. South Korea stayed communist-free because of war.
8. Going to space is a result of war.
I could go on. I’m sure you’ll have a comeback soon. Can’t wait to see it.
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Well wait no longer. Here it is:
Learn to read. I didn't say nothing good came out of a war, I said there's nothing good about war itself. Being a veteran I thought you would already know that...
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8054] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:00 |
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Cpo64
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mission objective of this war is to rid iraq and the world of sadaam's regime, disarm iraq of wmd, liberate an oppressed people, bring a democratic form of government to iraq in the hopes it will spread, remove one more terrorist sponsoring dictator
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What is wrong with his regime?
Since when is it the western worlds right to decided which governments have the right to exist?
From my understanding, although they are not happy with there government, they don't have a problem with it.
It has not been proven that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
So, I say again, what is the mission objective? Other then American Imperaism?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading there country? I am sure the feel terified, so, I ask, who are the terrist now?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading their country? I am sure the feel terrified, so, I ask, who are the terrorists now?
I do not support terrorism or the Iraqi government, but I support war even less, there are other alternatives.
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8056] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:17 |
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NeoSaber
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What is wrong with his regime?
Since when is it the western worlds right to decided which governments have the right to exist?
From my understanding, although they are not happy with there government, they don't have a problem with it.
It has not been proven that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
So, I say again, what is the mission objective? Other then American Imperaism?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading there country? I am sure the feel terified, so, I ask, who are the terrist now?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading their country? I am sure the feel terrified, so, I ask, who are the terrorists now?
I do not support terrorism or the Iraqi government, but I support war even less, there are other alternatives.
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What's wrong with his regime?! Are you high? Everyone knows he is a brutal tyrant. That's not even in dispute. People ask what gives us the right to overthrow him. I'd like them to answer what gives us the right to sit back and watch him kill thousands of people. If you saw your neighbor beating a person to death, would you just stand there and let it happen? Basic humanity gives us the right to stop a mass murderer like Saddam.
The Iraqi people are more afraid of Saddam then American troops. They live in fear everyday. People in Iraq are often scared to speak in public because they think Saddam's secret police may be listening.
Generally speaking, there are alternatives to war. In this case, all other options have failed. Its now time to stop Saddam with force.
NeoSaber
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8059] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:28 |
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Cpo64
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What's wrong with his regime?! Are you high? Everyone knows he is a brutal tyrant. That's not even in dispute. People ask what gives us the right to overthrow him. I'd like them to answer what gives us the right to sit back and watch him kill thousands of people. If you saw your neighbor beating a person to death, would you just stand there and let it happen? Basic humanity gives us the right to stop a mass murderer like Saddam.
The Iraqi people are more afraid of Saddam then American troops. They live in fear everyday. People in Iraq are often scared to speak in public because they think Saddam's secret police may be listening.
Generally speaking, there are alternatives to war. In this case, all other options have failed. Its now time to stop Saddam with force.
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High? No, that would simply be unacceptable.
I have seen no evidence that Saddam is a mass murderer, I need proof. In fact I would prefer that you back up all your statements.
War in never an alternative!
My “neighbour” is preparing to kill thousands, possibly even more people, am I to do anything? Yes! But Canada is not going to invade the US over it, as war is simply never an alternative.
(Edit: I have found my own evidence of Saddam’s war crimes, so such is no longer required, Saddam does need to be removed, but not at the expense of Iraqi lives.)
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8060] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:36 |
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[sg]the0ne
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What is wrong with his regime?
Since when is it the western worlds right to decided which governments have the right to exist?
From my understanding, although they are not happy with there government, they don't have a problem with it.
It has not been proven that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
So, I say again, what is the mission objective? Other then American Imperaism?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading there country? I am sure the feel terified, so, I ask, who are the terrist now?
Do you not think the Iraqi people tremble with fear at the thought of American Troops invading their country? I am sure the feel terrified, so, I ask, who are the terrorists now?
I do not support terrorism or the Iraqi government, but I support war even less, there are other alternatives.
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Seems we are getting into that gray area I spoke of.
Cpo64 : "What is wrong with his regime?"
This regime is in material breach of UN resolutions. This regime is 'friendly' to al-Quada(sp?) terrorist, allows them to reside in their country and train within their borders. This regime takes food goods shipped to them for the purpose of helping their civilain population and sells it on the black market. This was proved cause the UN etc was able to BUY BACK good thats IRAQ was supose to be giving to its people. This regime has also hijacked other goods shipped to them in good faith of proper use and transformed them for military capabilities. This regime in its last elections *cough cough* returned a 99%/100% vote for Saddam and this was calculated in around 24hours (2000 population = 22,675,617 @ 2.86% growth rate (estimated 2000)).
Cpo64 : "It has not been proven that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."
Oh really.....
After the Desert Storm conflict Saddam had to make a declaration of his weapons. During this time he declared certain types of WMD/Chem/Bio. Previous to our conflict w/Iraq Saddam had used chem/bio weapons so we know he had those. Since then Saddam has not accounted for these weapons, he can not provide them or provide details of their descruction. In more recent history we have discovered munitions designed to be fitted with chem/bio weapons. On top of that we have discovered other devices 'drones' that can be fitted to spread chem/bio weapons. I believe this pretty well addresses that point. All of this points to -- hey Saddam you have WMD/Chem/Bio and we know it. Saddam is in material breach, this is a fact.
Cpo64 : "So, I say again, what is the mission objective? Other then American Imperaism?"
Mission Objective : Bring the Iraq govt into compliance w/UN resolution.
Note : If the current government wont come into compliance after oh say 12years and 1000 chances then we may have to pull a 'regime change hat trick'.
This isn't US imperialism its called a)bringing Iraq into UN compliance b)enforcing UN's own resolutions c)giving the Iraqi people their country back so maybe they can have a meal or not be randomly raper/murdered by the government.
Cpo64 : "I do not support terrorism or the Iraqi government, but I support war even less, there are other alternatives."
Well the Iraqi gov. supports terrorist so what do ya think of that ?
This is about the 1 BILLIONITH time I've seem someone refer to these MYSTIC ALTERNATIVES. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE NAME ONE ? (ps. perferably one we haven't tried already)
Thanks a million,
The One
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8063] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:53 |
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NeoSaber
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High? No, that would simply be unacceptable.
I have seen no evidence that Saddam is a mass murderer, I need proof. In fact I would prefer that you back up all your statements.
War in never an alternative!
My “neighbour” is preparing to kill thousands, possibly even more people, am I to do anything? Yes! But Canada is not going to invade the US over it, as war is simply never an alternative.
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Your 'neighbor' is attempting to stop the man who is butally murdering people. I'd hoped you try to twist my analogy like that. Thank you for proving you don't recognize the difference between murder and defending a helpless human being. It helps me understand how you can think Saddam isn't a mass murderer. I don't know what facts you'd accept if you can't even see the difference in this basic fact of life.
Try this and this for starters. It's almost 2 AM and I'm too tired to find much else right now.
NeoSaber
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Animator/Compiler/Level Editor/Object Rigger/Programmer for Red Alert: A Path Beyond
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| Who can't wait for smackdown on iraq 2003? [message #8066] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 23:59 |
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[sg]the0ne
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[sg]the0ne:This regime is 'friendly' to al-Quada(sp?) terrorist, allows them to reside in their country and train within their borders.
Speaking of proof... I would like some on that.
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Other alternatives? How about not going to war?
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/19/canada_us_iraq030319
It is the opinion of the Canadian that the UN resolutions were working, so do we even need an alternative?
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You seem a bit confused...inaction does not count as action. The UN resolutions say specific things.
Do : A, B & C
Do NOT do : X, Y or Z
So far Saddam has not done A, B or C which is why INSPECTIONS ARE STILL GOING ON. It IS NOT THE JOB OF THE UN TO DISARM SADDAM...IT IS SADDAMS JOB
Oh ya Saddam HAS BEEN DOING X, Y AND Z.
This puts him in material breach. Material breach = 'serious consequences'
'Serious consequences' != Hanz & The Goof Troops / (more inspections)
BTW thanks for the fucking joke of an article...
""(Resolution) 1441 was not on the change of regime, it was on disarmament," Jean Chrétien said. "The process was on its way to realization. The Americans decided it wasn't going fast enough." "
If the current regime wont comply what do you propose we do ?
Wasn't going fast enough ? HOW MANY YEARS DOES IT TAKE TO ACT RESPONSIBLE ? HOW MANY YEARS DOES IT TAKE TO SUCCUMB TO WILL OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ? Is this like a century long thing ? Can he pass this magic 'please dont come bust my ass' card to his sons who will undoubtedly act in the same manner.
Canada = United in containment(which doesn't work) OR United in pacification(which doesn't work).
The USA will not set on our duffs post 9-11-01 and let Saddam develope/have WPM/Chem/Bio while the rest of the world digs in their pockets trying to locate their 'sack'.
If Saddam was a valid player in the international community there could be alternatives...because he isn't there aren't.
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