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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7655] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:28   |
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yes...that's right...everyone in high school is a moron...we all lack the intelligence to make educated decisions...I mean...what do I know about life in 3rd world countries? what do I know about death and destruction? God...I didn't think about that. I mean...I've never even left america...I've never seen half the stuff you talk about.
Oh wait...I just remember that I lived in 3rd world countries for a good portion of my life where I was judged against simply because I'm American.
If Bush is so just...why isn't he doing anything about Venezuela or North Korea. The people of Venezuela are trying to get their dictator out of their country...but is he helping a country that wants our help? NO...he is not. He is allowing that to happen. Bush's priorities are screwed up...Iraq shouldn't be everything
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he is doing things about venezuela and north korea... in venezuela, we are pressuring the government to talk with the rebels and we have been 'talking' with coup leaders and rebels. this means(for the uninformed) we are quietly backing and supporting and training the rebels trying to overthrow chavez. in north korea, we are allowing japan, s.korea, china and russia to take the point on everything while standing behind them and boosting military presence to let n.korea know that if they take the next step in a confrontation, we will be there to slap them down immediately. iraq isn't everything, it is only one piece which we need to take care of.
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7660] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:36 |
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at the time we dropped them, japan was very close to surrender. the dropping of the bombs clinched that and allowed us to avoid having to land on japan. the bombs saved many lives not only during the war but after the war for many years and it is continuing to do so.
dropping atom bombs in an uninhabitated desert would not have deterred anyone. dropping atom bombs on cities where the destruction could be seen in all it's glory has served to keep many small conflicts from escalating into large conflicts
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7684] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 03:11 |
spotelmo
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elmo...what you just said about Venezuela...that's what Al Queda did. We are training people in Venezuela to kill their leader. We need a political solution to get him out of office...not train people to kill him.
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we are doing both. fact is, chavez controls the military and instantly puts down any resistance. it is necessary to train people to defend themselves while at the same time show them how to influence the outcome they desire without alot of bloodshed. the oil strike is a perfect example, hit them in their wallets rather then shoot them in the head.
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7693] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 03:29 |
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first of all... a small occupational force would be declaring war on a soverign country.
second... wouldn't that make us 'war-mongers'?
i realize it is a national strike, but oil grabs the headlines.
the people want our help, but we can't just go in and occupy every country with antigovernment rebels.
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7697] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 03:36 |
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i agree, 'something should be done' it is just unclear as to what more we can do. quietly supporting peaceful resistance is the best thing to try first in my opinion. if that doesn't work or if the situation escalates, then other options should be considered.
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #7752] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 10:23 |
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Normally I find the Onion funny, but that article is just fucked up. Clinton caused his fair share (if not more) of this crap. Clinton made false promises to "get the men" that bombed the USS Cole and all the other shit that Al-Quaeda pulled during Clinton's Presidency... but he did nothing except spend millions going after Bill fucking Gates. What a waste!
How can you say Clinton was completely peaceful while he was dropping bombs and starting up military action to distract media attention while he was under fire for his sexual misconduct? (Remember "Wag the Dog"?)
Kirby and K9, I am in complete agreement with everything you've said thus far in all the threads in this forum.
I'm the bawss.
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| OT: Gizbotvas & the Onion- view of the war [message #8038] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 21:58 |
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Sad story, However, 20 years ago the us was backing Saddam and was giving him weapons to use against Iran.
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Sad to say that so did France, Germany, Italy and almost all of NATO. The US broke off ties with Iraq prior to the attack. France, Germany and a few other countries kept on dealing. So there was a conflict of interest in the UN Security Council, where France, Germany and Russia stood to loose money from Iraq. Well, they will loose alot more now.
Your attempt to say the US was the soul backer of Iraq back then is WRONG!
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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