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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7630] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:02   |
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Duke of Nukes
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I was on liberty while forward deployed defending Kosovars, Bosnians, Kurds, Shiites, and Herzegovinians from dictatorial agression in third world nations.
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oh...so wait...you were in the military at the time...on a military base? did you live in the streets? Did you live within 20 yards of people that wanted to commit genocide on you? LIVING ON A MILITARY BASE IS NOT THE SAME FUCKING THING
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My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7638] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:13 |
Smurfette
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Smurfette
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nuff said.
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So just because I have only posted once, my opinions and concerns are of no consequence?
I am stating my opinions, and yes, I do see that there are legitimate reasons for this war. Those being that there is reasonable belief that Iraq has WOMD and that they support terrorism and that there is probably more going on than we are told by the press, and I see that because of these suspicions the possibility of war might be reasonable.
I do not personally like the idea or concept of war. I believe that a little more pressure from the UN might make the possibility of war obosolite. I am very worried that going to war might escalate from war with Iraq to a world war.
And yes, it is very reasurring to know that the US is still looking for bin Laden, Thank you.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7649] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:22 |
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[sg]the0ne
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Location: Houston, TX
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Smurfette
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nuff said.
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So just because I have only posted once, my opinions and concerns are of no consequence?
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It's called "taking every little thing to their advantage." They cant stand the fact that someone else is taking an anti-war position and thus are trying to demean the enemies posts...or ruin their character.
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Nice try, its called i think this is someone else on the msg board fucking hiding behind a new name. That is it, end of story. Examples of what your describing can be found by looking @ the stories of all the women who ever accused Clinton of sexual misconduct.
Edit : I didn't mean *you* Duke.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7659] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:35 |
Smurfette
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War sucks, people die but sometimes the benefits outway the cost.
And yes, your name having the word 'smurf' in it, this being your first post AND not even on a Renegade issue does raise ones doubts(not to mentioned you signed up in the middle of the night then joined a thread that contains a heated discussion). PM me ur msg and I'll break it all down 'TheOne' style for you...
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War does suck, and I don't believe that the benefits outway the cost on a regular basis. Just because something works "sometimes" doesn't mean it's the only way to do it.
How about this for a response to my name and why this was my first post: I was a member of this forum, joined a few months ago. My account was inactive since then because I spend most of time PLAYING or HOSTING Renegade games. I also post on other forums under this name. My WOL name is smurfgrlz (recently to host, played with that name for about a year) and dasmurf11 (recently to play) - before that would you like to know my other screen names? As it seems that every time I reformat my computer and reinstall Renegade it makes me create a new account, I have had 3 names (and stupidly the first sn I had actually contained my real name). The fact that I grew up watching the smurfs and rather liked them is the reason I use the name Smurfette. The only reason I posted in this thread before any other was because it is heated, and I have strong beliefs in regards to it.
If this makes me inconsequential, or obligated to have you demean me then go for it. Last I checked, I live in a country that does support free speech, I am excerting that right by posting here, now.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7669] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 02:48 |
spotelmo
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War sucks, people die but sometimes the benefits outway the cost.
And yes, your name having the word 'smurf' in it, this being your first post AND not even on a Renegade issue does raise ones doubts(not to mentioned you signed up in the middle of the night then joined a thread that contains a heated discussion). PM me ur msg and I'll break it all down 'TheOne' style for you...
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War does suck, and I don't believe that the benefits outway the cost on a regular basis. Just because something works "sometimes" doesn't mean it's the only way to do it.
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that is why we don't use it in every circumstance. during the bush administration we use it for afghanistan and iraq. both situations warrant it. we have not used it or threatened it for venezuela, north korea, chechnya, iran, indonesia, pakistan or any other 'hotbeds' in the world right now. we use different means based on the country we are dealing with, the leader we are dealing with and the situation we are dealing with. in the cases of afghanistan and iraq, war is warranted and necessary.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7703] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 05:49 |
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Walrus
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Location: Good old England
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I have always wondered why its taken so long to get around to this war?
I hope when it's over, that Saddam is dead and only a few people on both sides have died.
-Will the curds finally get a homeland, or a state?
The Turks have already said that if the Curds try and set up a small nation of their own, they will 'circumvent and prevent any government from forming,' that the curds create. Aren’t they our allies? It’s amazing how our allies want to rip each other’s throats out.
-Some, for many reasons don’t want to do anything. I don’t care what weapons Iraq has, all I care about is the people we are going in to liberate. The last time we screwed up, this time our leaders will get it right. If they don’t……..
- The curds are ready to put up, I think but am not sure on the numbers, 70,000 blokes to help with the war. They want a state, they also want protection from the Turks. You see we owe them big. The last time we got them to raise up against Saddam, we left them to be slaughtered. He gassed out entire villages, I wonder when they were lying there chocking on their own lungs as the mustard gas or the VX killed them, did they think 'hay those allied troops will be here any second to help us out.' All we did was watch the devastation on fox news.
-As for pacifism, it never stopped a war. It never started one either. A problem I see, is that the guy in front of you might well be a good person, but it wont stop him from cutting your throat, even if deep down in side you know he's a good person.
I would like to think that I was a good person. But I’m not. I'm just an opinionated crip who lives on top a big fucking hill in a country called England.
-Why does every body here insist on bringing up WW2? There have been lots of wars and a shit load of cases of ethnic cleansing since then... any body remember Bosnia? Remember how we sent peace keepers there, how they watched all those people being killed. Remember Rwanda, Oman, Yemen, I can name ten others. I can tell you, that in all these places and many others, the UN fucked up big time. I remember when Hootoos and Tutses were killing each other and no one gave damd until it was over. Not long ago Bosnia started going to shit again, still is. Peacekeepers have been there a while and more were due to be sent. America used a Veto, they didn’t want any of there troops dieing there. Shame really. I never did hear what happened after.
-Remember it took the deaths of 70,000 in Kosovo before any body gave a shit, and even then the only reason the damd thing got on TV was because all the poor bastards fleeing for their lives wanted to get to another country were they would be safe. How long did we turn a blind eye, and that goes for the whole UN. I bet if we didn’t see those people trudging threw the snow the war may not have happened.
Good thing it did though.
- At least this time we are going to do something about Iraq.
I have family over there who will be fighting and fixing the aircraft on site. I hope when its finished they come back safe, and have some good stories.
Please feel free to flame away. I wanted only to put a different line of thought in to this doomed thread. Its been fun reading though. Even if it was a waste of time.
Yossarian Lives!
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7718] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 07:00 |
eggmac
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I was on liberty while forward deployed defending Kosovars, Bosnians, Kurds, Shiites, and Herzegovinians from dictatorial agression in third world nations.
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Or better to say, slaughtering Serbs and Iraqis.
Third world nations? Serbia is a third world nation? Do you even know where Serbia sis located? Could you find it on a map, or even more, could you tell me the average GDP of Serbia? And ACK, kindly tell me, what is the difference between Bosnia and Herzegovina. And then please back up your assumption that it is a third world country.
I think the greatest problem is that some of you guys are really, REALLY REALLY very strongly blinded by propaganda of the mass media. You always refer to 'defense', 'opposing a threat', 'humanitarian aid' etc. While what the USA is doing is completely the contrary.
Before discussing an issue one has to be able to differentiate and one has to know the subject one is talking on.
This whole Iraq issue will backfire on the USA very quickly. Terrorist attacks will be more probable, international acceptance will shrink even more, USA entirely loses any moral values.
unfortunately, the USA is not the knight in the shining armor standing for peace, justice and freedom, but it is EXACTLY the opposite. For a lot of countries it stands for war, injustice and oppression. And a war on Iraq is another exaple of that.
The USA have to accept that they must not impose their will on other countries, but to be a responsible part of the international community.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7721] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 07:14 |
KIRBY098
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I was on liberty while forward deployed defending Kosovars, Bosnians, Kurds, Shiites, and Herzegovinians from dictatorial agression in third world nations.
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Or better to say, slaughtering Serbs and Iraqis.
Third world nations? Serbia is a third world nation? Do you even know where Serbia sis located? Could you find it on a map, or even more, could you tell me the average GDP of Serbia? And ACK, kindly tell me, what is the difference between Bosnia and Herzegovina. And then please back up your assumption that it is a third world country.
I think the greatest problem is that some of you guys are really, REALLY REALLY very strongly blinded by propaganda of the mass media. You always refer to 'defense', 'opposing a threat', 'humanitarian aid' etc. While what the USA is doing is completely the contrary.
Before discussing an issue one has to be able to differentiate and one has to know the subject one is talking on.
This whole Iraq issue will backfire on the USA very quickly. Terrorist attacks will be more probable, international acceptance will shrink even more, USA entirely loses any moral values.
unfortunately, the USA is not the knight in the shining armor standing for peace, justice and freedom, but it is EXACTLY the opposite. For a lot of countries it stands for war, injustice and oppression. And a war on Iraq is another exaple of that.
The USA have to accept that they must not impose their will on other countries, but to be a responsible part of the international community.
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Lol. I didn't know you played Renegade, Saadaam! Who is the shining knight then, praytell? France? 
I am QUITE familiar where those third world shitholes are. While Serbia is technically not third world, try visiting there and tell me it's a modern industrial nation.
I was stationed there, twice, for 5 months off the coast. Call it what you will, but stopping SERBIAN, and IRAQI genocide of thier subservient populations is just. The rest of the world is paralyzed with inaction. We will not be.
See you soon. We will be the ones in the Apache helicopters. Make sure you are a human shield, and in front of a "peaceful" Iraqi APC.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7724] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 07:26 |
eggmac
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Lol. I didn't know you played Renegade, Saadaam! Who is the shining knight then, praytell? France?
I am QUITE familiar where those third world shitholes are. While Serbia is technically not third world, try visiting there and tell me it's a modern industrial nation.
I was stationed there, twice, for 5 months off the coast. Call it what you will, but stopping SERBIAN, and IRAQI genocide of thier subservient populations is just. The rest of the world is paralyzed with inaction. We will not be.
See you soon. We will be the ones in the Apache helicopters. Make sure you are a human shield, and in front of a "peaceful" Iraqi APC.
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Kirby, you are fighting for the wrong thing. I would advise you to free yourself from the idea of the nobel, civilised, peacekeeping US.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7725] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 07:27 |
eggmac
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Standing up for 'the international community' that CANT/WONT stand up for itself
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So that you know, nearly exactly the same argument was used by Hitler. And any other war agressors in history.
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