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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67207] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 11:20   |
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Blackhand Studios is NOT an effort to be elitist. We established a legally-binding organization for our products so that we can be taken more seriously by a certain large corporation.
Don't make wild assumptions about our intentions. Instead, give us the time to show you we mean business and we plan to deliver. The people in Blackhand Studios are not known for breaking promises or giving up when they promise something.
We have a lot of plans, but give us the time to do it right.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67221] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 12:52 |
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I’m sorry to say that a broken promise is the direct cause of this (threads) very controversy.
Back before these forums were made and after it was known that you were getting the “Official Renegade Public Forums”, you did promise the community that you would not put Aircraftkiller in a position of power because that’s what the community wished. They felt he would abuse his power like he did at RenRealm and other places.
Some months ago he was given moderator powers in the Mod forum and the very things that the public feared and predicted started happening again. At that time I held my tongue in order to see how it played out and I must admit you have been pretty much on top of things when they go to far. I’ve seen you lock/unlock topics and even delete posts that have really crossed the line, but I feel that a majority of this could have been avoided had "we" stuck with the plan.
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Putting that aside, you do have some great people/minds gathered in Blackhand Studios, each of whom bring a lot to the table. I have no doubt great things are sure to come from it.
Professionalism: Not only a skill set, but a mind set as well.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67237] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 14:44 |
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Read a little closer... I've stated that I don't attack my friends, people I associate with, so long as they aren't showing malice. And even then I attempt to work something out with them before I give up and stop caring.
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Petty sniping aside, I have to give ACK credit for this. We had some disagreements in the past, but we sorted our differences out. I still disagree with him from time to time though 
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67248] |
Wed, 18 February 2004 16:04 |
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Naturally, we're only human; after all. 
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Back before these forums were made and after it was known that you were getting the ?Official Renegade Public Forums?, you did promise the community that you would not put Aircraftkiller in a position of power because that?s what the community wished. They felt he would abuse his power like he did at RenRealm and other places.
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She never promised anything of the sort. She said I wouldn't moderate the general forum, or the entire thing.
What abuse of power at Renegade Realm? The hell are you even talking about? That site was extremely popular because of the efforts of Periclytes, L3f7H4nd3d, and myself. If there was abuse, we would have done something about it. Don't start talking about things that you have no idea of.
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Some months ago he was given moderator powers in the Mod forum and the very things that the public feared and predicted started happening again. At that time I held my tongue in order to see how it played out and I must admit you have been pretty much on top of things when they go to far. I?ve seen you lock/unlock topics and even delete posts that have really crossed the line, but I feel that a majority of this could have been avoided had "we" stuck with the plan.
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And don't you even dare speak for the community when you're nothing more than a troll on these forums, coming out of the "shadows" to post all sorts of outlandish shit about me, like what you're doing now. I don't know why you make it so easy to reply to you, probably cause you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
I only do a few things with the mod forum. I delete worthless posts, remove spam, and encourage people to post their opinions on what others make. That's the entire point of a modification community. It's not all about positive criticism, it's about expressing what you think. This, if the person isn't a whiner or something, helps them work to become better.
Here's a plan: Try being informed before you start posting again.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67399] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 15:21 |
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Read a little closer... I've stated that I don't attack my friends, people I associate with, so long as they aren't showing malice. And even then I attempt to work something out with them before I give up and stop caring.
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Petty sniping aside, I have to give ACK credit for this. We had some disagreements in the past, but we sorted our differences out. I still disagree with him from time to time though
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I'd have to agree, too. Aircraftkiller and I used to fight ALL the time more than a year ago, when RenEvo was Renegade Revolutions and....Sorry, had a little memory flashback there.
Anyway the point is we got over stupid little agurments and such if you just adhere to these rules:
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1) Don't try and be SuperFlamer and try to humuliate the person(s) in public. It only fuels the flame war.
2) Leave the past behind, don't hold grudges.
3) Don't post in public if you have a problem just between you and someone else, just PM them. Therefore things are done faster, easier and better this way. And don't post PMs just to humuliate someone. Refer to #1.
4) Look at #2, forgive and get over it. If someone insults you, try your best to ignore them. They're wasting their time, and they can't force you to waste yours.
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Pretty much everyone is guilty of these, so don't attack someone for breaking them. Everybody makes mistakes and has personal faults, so correct and/or help solve the problem politely.
One of the reasons I'm posting this is so everyone here can benifit from this. If I was going to have a personal dicussion with Aircraftkiller, I'd PM him.
Try following those rules, you'll be much better off.
God is the "0wnage". Plain and Simple.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67449] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 16:41 |
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Interesting thread.
Let's not forget what started this whole thing off
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Titan's work is shit, that's all there is to it... I have every right to express my opinions here, just as you and anyone else does.
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That's not just an opinion. It's abuse. Unnecessary and unconstructive abuse I might add.
You say that if "someone bites then you bite back". No one would ask you to behave any differently. But how do you defend your behavior when "you bite first"?
What prompted you to blast insults at his latest work anyway? It has played in the Pits to great praise. The map may not be flawless, but it is inventive, fun, and well-liked.
http://renegade.the-pitts.net/index.php?s=03e5536fca8e76a4858d6de452765aea&act=ST&f=16&t=6589&hl=
You still have not provided any reasons for insulting Titan's work. One has to wonder if your insults are unfounded, extreme, and driven more by a personal vendetta than genuine criticism.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67468] |
Thu, 19 February 2004 19:14 |
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Aircraftkiller
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That's not just an opinion. It's abuse. Unnecessary and unconstructive abuse I might add.
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"In your opinion"
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You say that if "someone bites then you bite back". No one would ask you to behave any differently. But how do you defend your behavior when "you bite first"?
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Read the thread and you would see that it was him, a while ago, who started all of this. I am simply finishing it.
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You still have not provided any reasons for insulting Titan's work. One has to wonder if your insults are unfounded, extreme, and driven more by a personal vendetta than genuine criticism.
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1. It's open, with no cover.
2. You can go underneath the fake "water" and stay down there without taking any damage, without even having some kind of effect to show that you're underwater.
3. The terrain is bland mesh smoothing with no real detail. When was the last time you saw 2 foot high hills all over the place, by an ocean, made of completely smooth dirt?
4. The spawns don't work right half the time because you're not getting enough credits from them, and the teleporting ones are extremely hard to see.
5. Who wants to purchase an automatic rifle? Why get one when any character, besides the basic soldiers, has a better weapon?
6. Why even play for KOTH when it's just a large deathmatch with a different name?
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67526] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 07:46 |
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Ok, so this whole vendetta is because he doesn't meet your standards.
You don't meet my standards for inter-personal relationship skills. Do you care? Should you care?
If he creates something fun, that causes someone else joy, do you have the right to try to supress that joy? I want variety, not perfection. I won't even mention that wonderful little arc of lightning in Glacier, with no specific purpose.
It's a fun map. I overlook deficiencies. Besides when I am trying evade being smoked by teenagers with large weapons, I rarely check out the scenery.
Cut him some slack. Someday he may be beter than you at this.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67536] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 09:01 |
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I think i will post this Kirby before ACK kills you.
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I won't even mention that wonderful little arc of lightning in Glacier, with no specific purpose.
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It's not his fault, the problem is in the game it self. It can't be fixed, at least not with the map editing tools.
Size doesn't matter.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67541] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 09:29 |
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I think i will post this Kirby before ACK kills you.
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I won't even mention that wonderful little arc of lightning in Glacier, with no specific purpose.
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It's not his fault, the problem is in the game it self. It can't be fixed, at least not with the map editing tools.
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Were that true, then the other maps would have them too.
It's because he recieved a map with a defect, and couldn't edit it without redoing the whole map.
That isn't the point. It's that defects do not destroy gameplay.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67546] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 10:32 |
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1. It's open, with no cover.
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Well, I dont agree with you, but even if I did, I can name several maps YOU designed with the same flaw. *cough* Elgin *cough*
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2. You can go underneath the fake "water" and stay down there without taking any damage, without even having some kind of effect to show that you're underwater.
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You're right, it's completely unrealistic. unlike the Invisibile units the game came equipped with.
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3. When was the last time you saw 2 foot high hills all over the place, by an ocean, made of completely smooth dirt?
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LOL. When was the last time you saw a patch of Tiberium? I don't understand... are your complaints that Titan's maps don't reflect real life geography?
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4. The spawns don't work right half the time because you're not getting enough credits from them, and the teleporting ones are extremely hard to see.
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I haven't experienced that in the Pits... are you sure it's not just your computer or your video card?
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5. Who wants to purchase an automatic rifle? Why get one when any character, besides the basic soldiers, has a better weapon?
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I bought em twice when I was about out of cash.
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6. Why even play for KOTH when it's just a large deathmatch with a different name?
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You're right. After all, YOU'D never design a DM map. (Except Flight Deck and Medical Level that is.)
--So what are you're REAL complaints? That another mapmaker is getting recognition and play, that someone you dislike is getting positive attention where you wish they wouldn't, or maybe you just need an outlet for your anger?
Your constant negativity and insults have become tiresome. I remember when I first arrived in these forums, I used to defend you against the onslaught of bad vibes coming your way... I see now that you actually enjoy the conflict. There is no other possible reason for you to be so confrontational when it is clearly uncalled for.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67555] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 12:15 |
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Well, I dont agree with you, but even if I did, I can name several maps YOU designed with the same flaw. *cough* Elgin *cough*
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And how long ago was that? And how many times have I said that my work before 2003 sucks? Pay attention...
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You're right, it's completely unrealistic. unlike the Invisibile units the game came equipped with.
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"Command & Conquer is Westwood Studios' newest game in the RTS genre. It's set to launch in 1995. Among the units you will command are Stealth Tanks, Medium Tanks, Flame Tanks, and Orca assault aircraft."
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Play C&C first, please. If not, don't try that sarcasm.
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LOL. When was the last time you saw a patch of Tiberium? I don't understand... are your complaints that Titan's maps don't reflect real life geography?
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Never played C&C, I see. Why are you even playing Renegade if you don't know the story behind it?
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I haven't experienced that in the Pits... are you sure it's not just your computer or your video card?
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No... Becuase he didn't set up the spawns properly.
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You're right. After all, YOU'D never design a DM map. (Except Flight Deck and Medical Level that is.)
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Of course I wouldn't, because I hate deathmatch! Seriously though, do you want to stop being ignorant? You've got barely any knowedge of what's going on and you're trying to argue, it's like a blind man trying to see.
I love deathmatch but not when the point of a game mode is to get on a hill, why do that when you can do something else? If it were actually easier to get up there, instead of with that abused "teleporting" crap, the gameplay would shift to getting on the hill area instead of just killing people for fun.
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--So what are you're REAL complaints? That another mapmaker is getting recognition and play, that someone you dislike is getting positive attention where you wish they wouldn't, or maybe you just need an outlet for your anger?
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I gave you the real complaints and you passed them off with rationalization and ignorance.
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Your constant negativity and insults have become tiresome. I remember when I first arrived in these forums, I used to defend you against the onslaught of bad vibes coming your way... I see now that you actually enjoy the conflict. There is no other possible reason for you to be so confrontational when it is clearly uncalled for.
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I don't need people to defend me. I am quite capable of doing it myself.
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Were that true, then the other maps would have them too.
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No, because they don't all have Repair Facilities in them. Glacier Flying uses the bugged mp_GDI_Repair_Pad and mp_Nod_Repair_Pad building controller, which causes that repair animation to center at 0,0,0 instead of on each individual facility, and it also fucks with the C4 charges, since they're a special form of munition.
Others have that problem, too. Anyone who uses that facility controller without using the new version for Renegade Alert will have that problem. It is a bug in the game code.
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It's a fun map. I overlook deficiencies. Besides when I am trying evade being smoked by teenagers with large weapons, I rarely check out the scenery.
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So what you're saying is that you don't care about what it looks like... So lets all save ourselves some trouble and make a flat plane with two bases at each end of it, without any details.
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Ok, so this whole vendetta is because he doesn't meet your standards.
You don't meet my standards for inter-personal relationship skills. Do you care? Should you care?
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Relations to people are personal, as you just stated, and you've never spoken to me personally... So you don't know me and you're going by my actions to a shithead in public. It's bound to be inaccurate.
He doesn't meet my standards, that's right. He's the one who demanded that I help him, and when I didn't do it the way he wanted me to, he started freaking out on me and started bashing my work... How many times do I have to tell people this?
You attack me, I attack back until someone stands down, and it sure as hell won't be me.
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Cut him some slack. Someday he may be beter than you at this.
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If that happens, then kudos to him, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67595] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 16:00 |
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Gizbotvas
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You attack me, I attack back until someone stands down, and it sure as hell won't be me.
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I didn't see Titan attack you anywhere in this thread until you first said
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That's nice... It still sucks, though.
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then you added
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Titan's work is shit, that's all there is to it
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Despite the fact that you answer all of my questions with ad hominem instead of information. These are your responses to my questions:
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-Pay attention...
-Play C&C first, please. If not, don't try that sarcasm
-Why are you even playing Renegade if you don't know the story behind it?
-do you want to stop being ignorant? You've got barely any knowedge of what's going on and you're trying to argue, it's like a blind man trying to see.
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Let me sum up this thread:
You've got a bone to pick with Titan. You post a flame thread to pick on him. You don't see why anyone should read your posts. You get defensive. You refuse to address your concerns with any specificity. You say that you wont back down. You attack everyone who quesitons your motives or actions.
Did I miss anything?
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67602] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 16:29 |
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Aircraftkiller
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See, there you go again, reading "the sky is green."
He attacked me in other threads before this - so I do the same thing to him. Does that compute? Can it be made any more simple for you??
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Despite the fact that you answer all of my questions with ad hominem instead of information. These are your responses to my questions:
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Ad hominem being the same kind of sarcasm you keep writing? Oh, or the fact that you have jack shit to do with this thread, yet comment on it as if you know what you're talking about?
You go "when was the last time you saw Tiberium in real life?" This isn't based on real life, it's based on Command & Conquer from 1995. As I said, PLAY THE GAME, same with Stealth Tanks and the rest of the vehicles, most of the soldiers were just invented.
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Let me sum up this thread:
You've got a bone to pick with Titan. You post a flame thread to pick on him. You don't see why anyone should read your posts. You get defensive. You refuse to address your concerns with any specificity. You say that you wont back down. You attack everyone who quesitons your motives or actions.
Did I miss anything?
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A flame thread? I didn't post anything! This was split off from his original thread.
This is why I keep saying you're ignorant, BECAUSE YOU ARE!
For the love of fuck, pay attention to what's going on if you really have to comment on things that have absolutely nothing to do with you.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67605] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 17:16 |
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You go "when was the last time you saw Tiberium in real life?" This isn't based on real life, it's based on Command & Conquer from 1995. As I said, PLAY THE GAME, same with Stealth Tanks and the rest of the vehicles, most of the soldiers were just invented.
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And this is all stemming from YOUR criticism:
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3. When was the last time you saw 2 foot high hills all over the place, by an ocean, made of completely smooth dirt?
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So, please tell... Were there, or were there not 2 foot high hills of completely smooth dirt all over the place, by and ocean in the original C&C which was released in 1995.
Secondly, do EVERY one of your maps, contain terrain, landscaping and textures that can be proven to have links or ties to the original C&C which was released in 1995.
This is why we all say your arguments are bullshit, and mean nothing. YOU argue that his "dirt" doesn't look real.. Then WE argue that "tiberium" doesn't look real.. Then YOU argue that we're all stupid because of course tiberium was included in the orignal C&C.. You COMPLETELY redirect the focus from your hypocrisy, to our ignorance of 1995's C&C.. so which is it? are we arguing about things being compared to real life, or compared to the original C&C.
If it’s the latter, then I can only assume that if I fired up the original game and looked around at all the beaches and oceans, I would DEFINITELY be able to say “hmm, yup.. those look TOTALLY different than what Titan made.. what was he thinking?”
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67613] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 17:36 |
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Regardless of C&C '95 basis for the game, the engine allows for more creativity and variety, so I don't see why anyone should be held to those standards for fan maps. Sure, any maps that would be released in an official patch to the game should be held to those standards, but not maps that are decidedly fan-made.
I'm the bawss.
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| Titan's maps vs ACK's maps (split off) [message #67615] |
Fri, 20 February 2004 17:40 |
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Aircraftkiller
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So, please tell... Were there, or were there not 2 foot high hills of completely smooth dirt all over the place, by and ocean in the original C&C which was released in 1995.
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Secondly, do EVERY one of your maps, contain terrain, landscaping and textures that can be proven to have links or ties to the original C&C which was released in 1995.
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I've never said everything has to be based on it. I implied that it looked stupid. If they were concrete walls, or ANYTHING that would logically make sense, then I could understand... but no, they're perfectly shaped mounds of rock and dirt that sound just like sand when you shoot them.
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This is why we all say your arguments are bullshit, and mean nothing. YOU argue that his "dirt" doesn't look real.. Then WE argue that "tiberium" doesn't look real.. Then YOU argue that we're all stupid because of course tiberium was included in the orignal C&C.. You COMPLETELY redirect the focus from your hypocrisy, to our ignorance of 1995's C&C.. so which is it? are we arguing about things being compared to real life, or compared to the original C&C.
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Okay... So what you're telling me is this: You think Tiberium doesn't look real, so you think that because WS created it, I'm a hypocrite for thinking his dirt piles look stupid... I never said you're all stupid, I said he's ignorant because he's playing a fucking game based on C&C and he goes "um, there isn't tiberium in real life" well NO SHIT... There's no tanks that have hit points either, or tanks that can heal themselves when damaged.
You two are the ones bringing this up. When I defend myself, you try switching it to "but you said something about C&C95 so that means you're trying to redirect the thread."
If you hadn't of brought up the subject of Tiberium not looking real, then maybe I wouldn't correct you on why this game is a C&C game and therefore has it in it, regardless of how real it is to you.
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