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To answer the question, Bush has my vote in November... unlike most of you here who will speak your mind and then when it comes to the crunch, forget or decline to fucking vote.
I have an enormous respect for the way he treats us and the way he's cleaning up the mess that Bill Clinton left behind. Clinton is without a doubt one of the worst things that could have happened to us. And it's all summed up quite nicely in his final act as president when he stole furniture, etc from the White House when he moved out. Leaving the White House in worse shape than when he got in... it's the same thing that he did to the USA.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64557] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 10:12 |
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To answer the question, Bush has my vote in November... unlike most of you here who will speak your mind and then when it comes to the crunch, forget or decline to ing vote.
I have an enormous respect for the way he treats us and the way he's cleaning up the mess that Bill Clinton left behind. Clinton is without a doubt one of the worst things that could have happened to us. And it's all summed up quite nicely in his final act as president when he stole furniture, etc from the White House when he moved out. Leaving the White House in worse shape than when he got in... it's the same thing that he did to the USA.
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While you say Bush is cleaning up the mess that Clinton left behind, what mess are you talking about? Did Clinton make the deficit way too small? If that's the case, Bush is cleaning up quite nicely. And while you say that Clinton is "without doubt" a bad president, what facts do you have to support this? Yes, he had an affair and yes, it was a bad thing, but how did that hurt our country? Answer: It didn't. That's called conservative propaganda. About Clinton supposedly "stealing furniture" from the White House: that story is utter and total bullsh*t. It is a complete and total lie. Heres how it went down:
When Clinton left office, some conservatives came up with a crazy off-the-wall story about him taking all the Ws out of the keyboards, stealing furniture, etc., so they called for a group to look into Clinton's "treachery". So then, Democrats really pushed for the group, and so one was made. This group stalled for as long as possible and never found anything. So, President Clinton's term was best summed up by a big conservative lie? Right...next time, get your facts straight.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64578] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 11:32 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Did your eyes just roll out of your head? I was debasing what Crimson said, not going on to irrelevent topics. If you're going to say that I edited my post to something entirely different, that's called a lie, something conservatives are quite good at doing. What I fixed in my edit was that I spelled a word wrong and I forgot to write how Clinton stealing furniture from the White House is complete and total B.S.
And wwhen you say Democrats are quite good at ignoring topics and moving on to different ones, I would have been slightly more tempted to agree with you if you had actually given some examples. Now, it may be your opinion that Democrats randomly change the subject, and you're entitled to your opinion. But then I'm entitled to my opinion that your opinion sucks.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64587] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 12:50 |
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THe thing I am most afraid of is having another president elected who will prematurely withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving both regions unstable and potentially dangerous. Bush won't do that, but the Democratic candidates, who are mostly against the war, would.
I don't pretend to support Bush on every issue, but that one alone is enough to guarantee him my vote this year (first election for me...been waiting a while for it!). It's stupid to change parties in the middle of a war, especially when the other party would either screw it up, withdraw, or lose it.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64605] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 14:53 |
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If you think all Clinton did was get head in the Oval Office, then you are not suitable to debate this.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64617] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 15:31 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Apparently luckily for me, that's not at all what I think of Clinton. Clinton did wonders for the economy. He proved that when the economy goes up, crime goes down, even though Republicans kept saying that they were crcaking down on crime. Let's take a look at some other things Clinton never got credit for while he was president:
Clinton seized all of the weapons grade nuclear material in Russia as it was falling apart to prevent it from getting into the hands of trroerists. Perhaps if he hadn't done this there would in fact be Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. [Hint - that's a bad thing]
Clinton created more jobs than any other president, as opposed to Bush losing more jobs than any other president.
Now tell me I don't know anything about Clinton except his rather unpopular acts during his term.
EDIT: *&^% internet blocker makes me fix some words so post is readable.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64629] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 15:55 |
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Crimson
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OK, my dad spent well over year poring over books, websites, court documents, etc... he found pretty much every seedy thing former President Clinton and her husband had their dirty little hands into. You are forcing me to pull this data I think. Unfortunately it's in a large poster form so it would require a lot of typing.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64633] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 15:57 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Talk is cheap.
Let's see your poster.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64636] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 16:02 |
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Crimson
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While I find that, you find the jobs created/lost numbers for Clinton and Bush.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64637] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 16:04 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Done and done.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64638] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 16:07 |
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SuperFly, the government does not create jobs. The economy creates jobs on it's own. The government's so-called "stimulation" of the economy is basiclly the government lowering taxes and lessening regulations. In other words, the goverment stops breathing down the economy's throat, or at least a little bit. The economy can live on it's own without government intervention.
And the federal deficit problem was WAY before Clinton and Bush, it was around since the 80s.
"It's Clinton's fault!", "No, it's Bush's fault!" :rolleyes:
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64640] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 16:17 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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So you're saying that the government doesn't actually control the economie's ups and downs? That's just plain wrong. And please don't tell me to read any silly books.
EDIT: Crimson, I got those statistics you wanted. Lets take a look at them, shall we?
In Clinton's two terms, roughly 23 million new jobs were created. Now, when I say roughly, I mean between 22 and 24 million jobs, not between 30,000 and 1 million. He was able to create that many new jobs becaused he inherited a horrible economy from George Bush Senior, and then he fixed it, contrary to what ACK said before about it being from Reagan's tax cuts. That's just wrong, plain and simple. I took this number out of a transcript from Kerry talking to some media person.
So far in Bush's term, he's managed to lose nearly 3 million jobs, or about 2.9 million. I found this buried deep in http://www.fedstats.org, a website that doesn't take sides.
Well, looks like Bush wasn't quite as good as Clinton for the economy. Even though he said he promised to help the economy in his election speeches for his first term. So, please see his speeches for the B.S. they are later this year.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64663] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 17:55 |
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Crimson
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That's not what I asked for. You only pulled two of the four figures.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64665] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 18:09 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Perhaps I mis-phrased myself slightly...those numbers are net jobs lost/gained.
For Clinton, from the beginning of his first term to the end of his second term, there were 23 million more jobs in America. This includes jobs lost.
Same goes for Bush in that from the beginning of his first term until just a short while ago, nearly 3 million jobs have been lost in America. This includes jobs gained.
I find it hard to see how this could possibly be considered distorting the facts, so please don't say thhat unless you have a really good reason.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64670] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 18:36 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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So companies spontaneously started rabidly outsourcing when Bush became president even though the only thing he knows how to do concerning the economy is cut taxes?
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #64683] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 19:15 |
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Wait a sec, what's that over there? Oh, I see what it is now. It's the Politics forum, just waiting for ya'll to crowd into it.
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