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Thu, 08 January 2004 20:49   |
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DragonFg
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I believe much of the Bible is right, yes, and as a Christian I support it. However you cannot take every word verbatim as law.
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Yea, you can overanalyze anything.
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I can't. It's not possible to refute an assumption with another assumption.
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Translation: "Neither of us know what the hell we're talking about."(not making fun, trying to make funny)
/me likes these really deep discussions
"Behind every great man is a woman, and behind her is his wife."
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| Please Stop [message #61161] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 00:13 |
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YSLMuffins
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Nobody is born a homosexual; that is a myth. Over 80% of homosexual males have a father that was abusive, neglegent, or left their family. There are also countless examples of straights turning homosexual and homosexuals turning straight during their lifetime.
And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong?
Moral relativism is full of loopholes that cannot be resolved.
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It may not be an innate characteristic, but there has to be something that happens early in life or perhaps more likely in early childhood to influence this aspect of one's personality... Sure, one can make a choice to engage in homosexual acts, but how much can one help his or her attraction to someone? How can you decide who you like; what you like?
-YSLMuffins
The goddess of all (bread products)
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| Please Stop [message #61167] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 01:09 |
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IRON FART
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It is a conscious choice to choose whether or not you want to be gay. I could walk up to a gay man and ask him to fuck me in the ass if I really wanted to do so.
All that keeps me from doing it is that I don't want to be fucked in the ass by anyone, especially not a gay man.
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You could do that all you want, but you'd never be gay. (I shudder at the thought)
Gender is not a 2 option thing. Its a scale.
Man - woman and anywhere in between middle, or near would be gay.
You ARE born like that. And it can even be corrected in some cases. But the homosexuality doesn't show untill you are older.
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| Please Stop [message #61172] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 02:30 |
spotelmo
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Nobody is born a homosexual; that is a myth. Over 80% of homosexual males have a father that was abusive, neglegent, or left their family. There are also countless examples of straights turning homosexual and homosexuals turning straight during their lifetime.
And by what authority do you call someone wrong for saying homosexuality is wrong?
Moral relativism is full of loopholes that cannot be resolved.
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i'd like to see proof backing up that statement... it's not a true statistic.
as for the guy who said they find it hard to believe the kkk would care about the commmunity... if you knew anything about the kkk you would know that they get involved very much in betterment of communities. even though many of us feel their ideas are whacked, they do involve themselves alot in clean up projects and community service. they just spread intolerance with them while they're doing it.
as for the bible, just to add my own 2 cents in, i don't believe in god or the reliability of the bible. it's a great book to read(yes, i've read it a few times) but in my opinion, it holds no more credibility than aesops fables does. but, i have no problem if others wish to believe in it.
as for gay being a choice or not... many of those who believe it is wrong do so based on religion. since the common religious belief(except hindu) states that man is the only creature with a soul and free choice, how would the argument that it is a choice hold up when you take in account animals in the wild who engage in homosexual behavior?
personally, i don't care one way or another about homosexuality.
on a side note, i do have a couple gay guys renting out one of my houses. i've never met them, but i'm hoping that they burn down the house with one of their scented candles so i can collect the insurance :twisted:
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| Please Stop [message #61174] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 03:27 |
NHJ BV
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1. People are born gay, and even if by some people it happens due to their childhood, it's still not their fault and not wrong.
2. Homosexuality happens in nature. Animals can be gay too. Therefor it's natural and not wrong.
3. I find it quite arrogant that some people claim to know who god loves and who he doesn't love. Even more that they seem to know god's motives.
4. I can understand why someone would be pro-war. I understand why people support Bush. I understand why people support many right-wing points of view. But why people oppose homosexuality is completely beyond me. To me it's like opposing rain or saying grass should be blue and green grass is wrong. I fail to comprehend it.
5. With "homosexuality" I generally refer to people who feel sexually attracted to members of their own sex. Having sex with them is a logical consequence to me.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 07:36 |
MonkeyPhonic
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Citing animal homosexual acts as proof of it being natural is always going to be dodgy ground. Mainly due to the fact that then you have to take into account many more of the motivations involved, like instinct verses desire, and the sense of self. Sens of self being when a creature is capable of understanding a)the affect of it's actions on others, and b)Having the abuility to empathise emotionaly with others.
The Benobo Chimp is said, like all chimps, which technicaly includes humans, is said to have a sense of self, and uses sex as a social tool, to cement relationships, and assert dominance. If there's a hell for chimps these guys are well on their way  , they not only shag hetrosexualy, but homosexualy, insestualy and infantaly. Does this mean that because it's seen in nature incest and pedeophilia are ok? I would have thought not.
What it does show however, is that sex is not just about sexual attraction, but also about asserting dominance, which is also attributed to the high rate of sexual attacks in prisons.
I'm not looking to support or denounce homosexuality, but I just find the argument that it's ok cos u see it in nature should be thought through a bit.
We're geneticaly closer to chimps than many other animals we quite happily put in the same catagory, the only reason we reffere to ourselves as homo sapiens, as opposed to pans (chimp) sappiens, is because the victorians didn't know about genetics, and had issues with Darwin and evolution.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 07:51 |
NHJ BV
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OK or not, that it appears in nature at least shows that being gay is not a conscious choice, as animals (as far as we know) can't make conscious decisions.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 13:33 |
MonkeyPhonic
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But at best it's bisexual behaviour, as far as I am aware there has never been doccumented cases of any animal conciously or otherwise displaying purely homosexual behaviour in preference to hetrosexual behaviour. In fact, homosexual behaviour in animals is almost exclusivly used to assert dominance and not in any way used as a means of affection.
If people want to be gay, let em. Don't feel the urge to justify it. If people want to use God as an excuse to hate people they don't understand, let em. It's their choice. It's not their fault if their so stupid as to realise that that kind of attitude is what sends suicide bombers into inocent people. Being told that God says it's the right thing to do.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 13:44 |
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DBB
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Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school.
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Id rather it if they didnt even make it to high school. If they are going to run around showing and preaching their homosexuality (which every gay I have ever met, and Ive met a lot around here, does) then they deserve to get mistreated for it. If they got it they can flaunt it. But, I also got my reasons for disliking them. So im going to flaunt that around too. If someone tells me I cant, tough luck for them, because im going to flaunt my fist all over their jawbone untill they realize the issue.
*Pictures year in -(2998)-....final human species dies. From what? Not an asteroid. Not a nuclear war. Definitely not an AI. But, from the simple fact that men and women no longer had sex and produced babies.--Thank you Gay eye for a Straight Guy, Richard Simmons, Priests, The Village People, and Will and Grace, for ending the worlds population of the humans.*
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| Please Stop [message #61197] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 14:04 |
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mrpirate
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Does anyone even realize that they don't choose to be gay, they're born with it. Some of you people are so anti-gay that you wonder why many gay people don't make it past high school.
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Id rather it if they didnt even make it to high school. If they are going to run around showing and preaching their homosexuality (which every gay I have ever met, and Ive met a lot around here, does) then they deserve to get mistreated for it. If they got it they can flaunt it. But, I also got my reasons for disliking them. So im going to flaunt that around too. If someone tells me I cant, tough luck for them, because im going to flaunt my fist all over their jawbone untill they realize the issue.
*Pictures year in -(2998)-....final human species dies. From what? Not an asteroid. Not a nuclear war. Definitely not an AI. But, from the simple fact that men and women no longer had sex and produced babies.--Thank you Gay eye for a Straight Guy, Richard Simmons, Priests, The Village People, and Will and Grace, for ending the worlds population of the humans.*
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Thanks for being an ignorant fuck. But hey, maybe you're right; the world is DANGEROUSLY UNDERPOPULATED. There's no way that having some people be gay is nature's way of trying balance the fact that there are just way too fucking many people as it is. And hey, if you want to discriminate against people because they're gay, and punch anyone who disagrees with you, I can't wait until you get the shit kicked out of you.
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| Please Stop [message #61199] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 14:44 |
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DBB
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Heh. Mr Pirate. Read my post, then read the year I put. Sound kind of like a joke, maybe a little sarcasm? Good nature laugh to try and lighten up the situation? Nah, your to in depth with your mindset that you couldnt pull your head out of your ass if you tried. Second, why swear, does it make your 12 year old mind(once again, feel the sarcasm?) feel like a real big tough guy? Third, words dont work. Learn it. Nothing worth fighting for ever gets settled with words. If you disagree with me, and want to make something out of it, then my italian temper is going to take its toll on you. Shit kicked out of me huh? Hmm, interesting. Id rather get the shit kicked out of me for something I believe in rather then just being a dumb protesting hippy who has no real idea of what the world is about. Get off your drugs.(That was not directly pointed at you, I dont no if you do drugs, but it was a generlized statement)
I have my opinions.You have yours. If they dont like that then you know what? They can just go ahead and blow me, oh no wait, they actually would want to do that........ :rolleyes: (once again Im getting the vibe of sarcasm)
Ill be honest, im not going to HATE you because your a homosexual. Im goign to HATE you if you go aroudn and parade around saying you are one for the attention, for the drama, for the looks of people, and to cause discussions like these. If I were at work, and a homosexual came in, didnt flaunt it, but was just holding his/hers partners hand, I would not have a big problem with that. I might feel a little uncomfortable, crack a few jokes, hell I might even get a giggle or two out of it. But I would not hate them nor treat them differently, other then the fact that they might try to hit on me and get my phone number! 
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| Please Stop [message #61215] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 16:09 |
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DBB
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Haha, that would def. be an interesting job to say the least!
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Fri, 09 January 2004 18:11 |
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SomeRhino
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It may not be an innate characteristic, but there has to be something that happens early in life or perhaps more likely in early childhood to influence this aspect of one's personality... Sure, one can make a choice to engage in homosexual acts, but how much can one help his or her attraction to someone? How can you decide who you like; what you like?
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I'm no expert on the subject, and definately don't know firsthand, but I have had conversations with former homosexuals who were able to "outgrow" their attraction to other man and are now have wives. It's not my place to answer your question.
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i'd like to see proof backing up that statement... it's not a true statistic.
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I heard that in a lecture one time. I have the book the lecturer wrote, but haven't had time to go find the quote. Anyways, this guy has been talking to homosexuals for years and I think determined the statistic on his own. Since I haven't offered you any proof, then you can disregard that remark.
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1. People are born gay, and even if by some people it happens due to their childhood, it's still not their fault and not wrong.
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If their homosexuality is a result of their childhood, then it doesn't mean they are born homosexual.
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2. Homosexuality happens in nature. Animals can be gay too. Therefor it's natural and not wrong.
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Animals also rape, murder, and are often involved in cannibalism. I can justify all of this according to your logic.
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3. I find it quite arrogant that some people claim to know who god loves and who he doesn't love. Even more that they seem to know god's motives.
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I don't believe anyone said God doesn't love homosexuals, but that the act of homosexuality is a sin.
It is futile to argue ethics with people who base their ethics within their own opinions. Nothing will be accomplished.
Dri Reign
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| Please Stop [message #61246] |
Fri, 09 January 2004 18:42 |
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Yano
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STOP FLAMMING THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS TOPIC WAS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fri, 09 January 2004 18:42 |
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Yano
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STOP FLAMMING THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS TOPIC WAS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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