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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52686] |
Sat, 25 October 2003 10:18   |
Homey
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Also, if you have played Enter The Matrix that same guy is there.
Homey
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52703] |
Sat, 25 October 2003 12:46 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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| Homey |
Also, if you have played Enter The Matrix that same guy is there.
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Yeah, that's the hobo I was talking about. It's not the same guy at the Merovingian. It's the came who's back you see in that shot from npsmith.
And the ship's name is Nebuchadnezzar. At least that's how it sounds, not sure about the exact spelling. Named after the Babylonean king.
Cypher
@ Planet Command & Conquer
http://www.planetcnc.com
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52906] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 10:19 |
KIRBY098
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If you notice, the ships, hover generators are NOT functioning. Notice the blue electrostatic discharges are no where to be seen.
My theory.......Everything we've seen so far has been INSIDE the matrix. Neo figured that out, and that's why he chose not to return to the source. It wouldn't matter, as ZION is a Matrix construct. The architect said so himself. "We have destroyed it 5 times before, and are quite proficient at it."
It's a loop to keep the ones who reject the programming (Normal Matrix world) in the Matrix while allowing them the "freedom of choice" they need to exist. They think they are fighting the machines, while in reality they are fitfully asleep, and the Architect laughs. That was why he stated the second Matrix failed until the advent of the oracle, and her discovery of " freedom to choose" They then created the alternate Matrix to accomodate those independant minds. I see further support of this theory in the fact that when he enters the architects room, the scene changes to a point of light with thousands of others. And the fact that the scene keeps rolling through multiple screens . There is no "place" where Neo is. He is concious, but bound by parallelism, that the architect is limiting him with.
The ZION loop starts all over when the "one" returns to the source, and chooses the next originators of Zion "16 MALE 7 FEMALE........" etc. I can't remember what he says, but you get the drift.
And this is why Neo realizes he can stop sentinels in thier "real world". The resulting paradox on his psyche uis what causes the induced coma.
I think that the reason you see Neo with a blindfold fighting sentinels is because in order to block the paradox, he needs to be unlimited in his perception of his environment. To focus on his surroundings would cause the coma again. Also note that a sentinel goes THROUGH his body. Impossible unless, like the Matrix, he can manipulate the reality.
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52908] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 10:39 |
KIRBY098
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Further evidence the ZION reality and the Matrix reality are one in the same:
We see Neo talking to the Matrix. They chat, and the machine says"What if you fail". The scene changes from there to Neo INSIDE the Neb, or whatever ship it is, wth a blindfold on, where he responds: "I won't."
His consciousness is coexisting in two realities at the same time. And then ... He plugs HIMSELF in. There are no human hands holding that connection spike, folks....
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52931] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 13:36 |
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boma57
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Further evidence the ZION reality and the Matrix reality are one in the same:
We see Neo talking to the Matrix. They chat, and the machine says"What if you fail". The scene changes from there to Neo INSIDE the Neb, or whatever ship it is, wth a blindfold on, where he responds: "I won't."
His consciousness is coexisting in two realities at the same time. And then ... He plugs HIMSELF in. There are no human hands holding that connection spike, folks....
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I support the theory that the "real" world may be another level of the Matrix, but I think something different's going on in the scene you just mentioned.
When I first saw it, I just assumed that the machine Neo was talking to was perhaps a leader of the machine world or something, not an actual embodiment of the Matrix. Nevertheless, though, that's not important. Let's look at the dialogue.
From "The program Smith has gone beyond your control...You cannot stop him, but I can." I think it's safe to assume that Neo has made a deal with the machines to stop Smith. He's blindfolded because he's in the custody of the machines for this 'deal', and the connection spike plugs itself into him because it's being controlled by the machines. Obviously the blindfold can't be functional if Neo is in a level of the Matrix, so either he's truly out of all levels of it, or it's just symbolic.
If you look at where Neo is standing when the machine rises to greet him, it looks like he's standing in another array of pods. I think it's quite possible that the coma-inducing realization at the end of Reloaded may have enabled him to wake himself up from the Matrix-Real World and become concious in the actual real world. This can also be supported by "He is trapped in a place between this world and the machine world.", but you could argue that if he'd waken up again, he wouldn't have hair...
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52932] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 13:42 |
KIRBY098
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| KIRBY098 |
Further evidence the ZION reality and the Matrix reality are one in the same:
We see Neo talking to the Matrix. They chat, and the machine says"What if you fail". The scene changes from there to Neo INSIDE the Neb, or whatever ship it is, wth a blindfold on, where he responds: "I won't."
His consciousness is coexisting in two realities at the same time. And then ... He plugs HIMSELF in. There are no human hands holding that connection spike, folks....
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He's blindfolded because he's in the custody of the machines for this 'deal', and the connection spike plugs itself into him because it's being controlled by the machines.
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It doesn't fly.
He is wearing a blindfold when he destroys the sentinels in transit with Trinity.
He is wearing the blindfold when the sentinel goes THROUGH him.
Neo is controlling the spike. With his mind.
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52935] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 14:28 |
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Slicer_238
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Neo is going to open a can of whoop ass on the machines. Him and his telekinetic abilities in teh "real" world and "matrix."
May Trey rest in forever bliss and happiness.
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52955] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 18:15 |
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npsmith82
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It's kinda possible that the scene with the falling ship, is one of the last things you see at the end of the revolutions movie itself. That would explain the clear skies.
After the Neo/Smith scenario is done with, and everyone is playing happy families, they may then be removed from the matrix completely and the ships come crashing down out of the sky because there's no crew.
Just another weird thought to throw into the debate...
WOL: npsmith82
For RenAutoComplete, RenSkirmish, RenBuddyList and RenWOLstatus please visit (IE) TheCodeSmith.com
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| Matrix Revolutions [message #52957] |
Mon, 27 October 2003 18:27 |
Homey
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The movie doesnt come out until the 5th so i doubt they would know much.
Homey
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