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| I regret to inform you that you were played like a fiddle... [message #52523] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 05:22   |
KIRBY098
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Registered: February 2003
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| Aircraftkiller |
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Yet again you prove why I respect you so highly. Thank you for stark honesty.
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Seems as if you only respect others if they do things that you can benefit from.
I find it disgusting that you go from someone I respected to someone who talks about how childish I am. Yes, originally, I was upset and I spoke to Dante about it.
Afterward, when I woke up, I changed my mind and decided to change it around a bit, use the situation to gather more visitors and "community" support for us. When the game is having problems and people go to the point of not even wanting to acknowledge its existence, some drastic measures have to be taken in order to ensure a fanbase who will actually play the game in question.
Gotta love "sunshine patriots and friends," though. You know what I mean.
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So you go off, cancel pending engagements, blame everyone else for it. Then you get some sleep, realize you were wrong, and post a facade to make us think you are clever, and just playing us for fools.
Then, when those of us intelligent enough to see through this farce, and insult to our intelligence, ask for a truthful answer, you tell me it's because I am morally flawed in friendship loyalty?
For someone who has been using deductive logic on these forums for the better part of two years, you certainly appear to acting from emotion right now.
First, you up and quit, and blame everything on everyone else.
Second you lie to everyone publicly, rescind your earlier emotional outburst, and claim we were "fooled" by your clever ruse.
Again I state, "Let your yes be yes, and your no, be no. "
That has always been the point you have spoken from in the past, and the main reason we got along.
I have no tolerance for liars, or those who better themselves from smoke and mirror games with others. That's the primary reason I loved being an enlisted man. The officers were constantly doing this crap to us. Enlisted men are straightforward, and tell facts. Our lives depended on that stark honesty a good portion of the time. I can't begin to count the number of times officers claimed my work as thier own, and lied to me to get to do dangerous things quiicker.
It is for that very reason that I am a human lie detector.
I still respect your work, and what you were doing. What I don't respect is this mind game I was privy to.
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| I regret to inform you that you were played like a fiddle... [message #52535] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 09:11 |
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Walrus
Messages: 382
Registered: February 2003
Location: Good old England
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How many times has this mod stalled already? We got a patch this time, but it was a close call. There are at least a few people playing now (there were about 20 people on last night), but unless there are some big changes those games will dry up.
I would like to see what work is going on with this mod and get some sort of time line. It looks to me that renalert had dodged a bullet. But what happens in two months when it breaks down again!
In two or three months time will we get another 'okay folks its all over (again)' thread. I hope not, because this game deserves a good Mod. It was a pity that this thread couldn’t have been honest from the start. Why not just own up to a stall, there is no shame in it. Stalls and blocks happen.
One Last Time
"England expects that every man will do his duty"
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| I regret to inform you that you were played like a fiddle... [message #52586] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 13:27 |
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Aircraftkiller
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Registered: February 2003
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That's just it, Kirby, you're not using deductive logic in the sense that you figured out what actually happened.
Here's the full story. FatBastard is Dante.
Session Start: Wed Oct 22 01:41:57 2003
Session Ident: FatBastard
[[01:42]] Want to cancel RenAlert and work on your D6 expansion instead?
[[01:42]] <FatBastard> O_o
[[01:42]] As in you working on it, me doing something else, because I'm getting sick of RenAlert
[[01:42]] <FatBastard> wow
[[01:42]] No one wants to work on it... it has so many problems, no one plays it... why bother wasting time anymore
[[01:42]] <FatBastard> didn't expect to hear that
[[01:43]] <FatBastard> what brought this up, just not wanting to do it anymore, or something in perticular?
[[01:44]] Because every time I talk to you, it's like all this little shit happens
[[01:44]] Remember those elevators?
[[01:44]] "dude can you do the settings?" "uhmm, you didn't give them to me"
[[01:44]] <FatBastard> mmhmm
[[01:44]] Shit like that... I don't know how the fuck to set up an elevator, I just know how to animate it
[[01:45]] <FatBastard> dude, i have the memory of a terd, you just need to email me stuff you need me to do, or else i will forget, because i have about 10k things going on at once (life, not modding related)
[[01:45]] <FatBastard> btw, by settings i meant the name
[[01:45]] Yeah, but that's just it, we're gonna keep doing buggy releases and we're going to eventually end up with no one playing
[[01:46]] I mean you do a good job and all.. but this last release really just killed us. Now Gibson won't work on anything at all. No one even plays it anymore because 90% of the people out there can't get game.exe working
[[01:46]] and without the ability to add new units, we might as well just stop
[[01:46]] What everyone wants is naval warfare... he won't do it unless there's people playing. No one is playing. Therefore he won't work.
[[01:47]] <FatBastard> people aren't playing cause there are no servers
[[01:47]] <FatBastard> thats the biggest issue
[[01:47]] There are no servers because no one can get the damn game.exe workin
[[01:47]] working
[[01:47]] <FatBastard> im working with speedy right now to get 2x24 up
[[01:47]] And no one reads the forums, so it's like no one knows how
[[01:48]] <FatBastard> yeah they do, i have gotten over 100 emails, and helped them fix it
[[01:48]] <FatBastard> then i get an email back "is it just me, or is wol empty?"
[[01:48]] okay, so what you want me to do is what? E-mail you a list of things to do?
[[01:48]] <FatBastard> its the best way
[[01:48]] All I know is that the elevators for the Construction Yards need to be implemented as macon_lift and mscon_lift
[[01:49]] You know how to set them up, right?
That was what lead to giving up. Then I woke up, spoke with him about it, and we decided to change our minds. So, instead of letting it die, and instead of hearing people talk about how lazy we are, or about how undedicated we are (Cypher does this often in public along with his friends.), we decided to turn it into a joke, instead.
Because it started out wrong doesn't mean it had to end that way. Thus it didn't - you got a fake joke and a new patch.
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| I regret to inform you that you were played like a fiddle... [message #52648] |
Fri, 24 October 2003 23:45 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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Registered: March 2003
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Cypher does this in public along with his friends? And often to boot?
I only do that in private.... For example, when I talk to Dante about you. 
Unlike you, ACK, I don't spend my waking hours flaming a mod and its team. Especially not a mod that I do actually like (despite what you think). And if it was a mod I didn't like, I wouldn't talk about it at all, just for the record.
The only thing remotely in public that I did was called RenAlert a "team" using the quotation marks. And that wasn't about dedication, rather about organization (which, considering you made this decision to stop RenAlert by only talking to Dante and not the entire RenAlert team, as you say here, is lacking... the organization that is).
I don't question dedication, at least not Dante's. Nor of any other team member of RenAlert (except for you, and even that not in the sense of you being lazy or completly out there with RenAlert, more along the lines of "hey, this is like the third time ACK has made such an announcement, all by his lonesome").
So don't go making up accusations about me.
And I believe we've already settled this in #n00bstories yesterday.....
Cypher
@ Planet Command & Conquer
http://www.planetcnc.com
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| I regret to inform you that you were played like a fiddle... [message #52664] |
Sat, 25 October 2003 07:20 |
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boma57
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Registered: April 2003
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| Aircraftkiller |
So, instead of letting it die, and instead of hearing people talk about how lazy we are, or about how undedicated we are, we decided to turn it into a joke, instead.
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Can't you see that's what Kirby's point is? You could have just been truthful and said "Hey y'know, we messed up, but after thinking about it, we changed our minds". Instead, you made up a lie to make the truth look like a lie for whatever reason.
Because you didn't want people to think that the "almighty ACK" has flaws, too? Because you didn't want people to lose support in RenAlert for fear that the same thing might happen again? Hell, I don't know. But whatever made you think it was best to cover it up has all happened now twofold because not only is the truth out, it's now a worse truth because you tried to cover it up.
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