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| BTW ack might want to change your siggy [message #5286] |
Tue, 11 March 2003 06:00   |
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Halo38
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Except you never did create the map.You just finished it. :rolleyes:
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Okay...I know Ack can come off as an ass to some people, and has rubbed a few people the wrong way. I only say this because it is obvious from the way people treat him, I'm not chosing sides or debating the past.
What I do know however is that Ack got a simple MESH for the Glacier terrain. We are talking about just a wireframe of the GROUND. No textures, no objects, etc. He spent MANY hours and days turning it into what it is now.
Its like handing someone a rough flowchart of a computer program, and then the programmer spends weeks writing all the code, debugging it, etc. And then you would complain that said person claimed they created the program, even though they transformed what was nothing but a loose framework into something real and functional.
You can say he "just finished it" if you want, and technically you are correct, since he "only" did 99.99% of the work. I can guarantee that if you got the map with EVERYTHING in it done except for just the PT's, it would still take you over an hour to get it working properly.
In short, if you want to bash on Ack, please find some other reason, because saying that he didn't make Glacier what it is today is futile. WS themselves even gave him permmission to say he created it, so lets put this issue to rest.
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If ACK provided a screenie of what glacier looked like when he first got it of this so called 'simple mesh' maybe it would silence everyone to what he actually did/didnot do..... just a suggestion.
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Tue, 11 March 2003 07:29 |
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Ive seen what he got.Wasnt much.Still doesnt matter he didnt create it.
Ack: "My map is cool and stuff"
All: "No it's not, it drops FPS and causes choppiness and what not"
Ack: "you just mad cause i pwn you"
Announcer: "Thickheaded?"
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Tue, 11 March 2003 07:41 |
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Ive seen what he got.Wasnt much.Still doesnt matter he didnt create it.
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If you still have the INITAL PICTURE of what it was like when he FIRST GOT IT I'd be very interested in seeing it, just out of curiosity as i started to get involved with modding renegade when he released it and don't know much about it on the development side.
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Tue, 11 March 2003 08:35 |
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If you still have the INITAL PICTURE of what it was like when he FIRST GOT IT I'd be very interested in seeing it, just out of curiosity as i started to get involved with modding renegade when he released it and don't know much about it on the development side.
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Was a link from the old forums.All it was was a blank map with buildings and a few walls I believe.
ANd cut him slack?Why?Anyone else who claimed to do something they didnt do would get no slack.
Oooo Have a decent example too what about allgusto?Didnt he try to take credit for something he didnt do?He got flamed alot for that one.Now I do also remember something about him stealing too so it might not be the exact same thing but you get my idea.
Acks contrary to his opinions of himself.Is nobody special.Nothing at all.Why does he deserve special treatment?He doesnt.
Ack: "My map is cool and stuff"
All: "No it's not, it drops FPS and causes choppiness and what not"
Ack: "you just mad cause i pwn you"
Announcer: "Thickheaded?"
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Tue, 11 March 2003 14:42 |
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If you want to see what ACK started with, load up Commando editor, and open terrain/mult player levels, and make glacer, that is about what Ack had, I think, on the old forums I posted a link for a pic, but I don't have it any more, so...
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Tue, 11 March 2003 15:15 |
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Oh come on if your gonna insult me do better than that.Youve got a reputation to uphold after all. :rolleyes:
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Lay off Aircraftkiller. Stop bringing problems from the old forums to the new ones. Aircraftkiller has changed a lot in my perspective and he earned my respect (once again). Just be happy for what you got.
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Tue, 11 March 2003 15:32 |
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If you want to see what ACK started with, load up Commando editor, and open terrain/mult player levels, and make glacer, that is about what Ack had, I think, on the old forums I posted a link for a pic, but I don't have it any more, so...
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If you use the Make command on the Glacier preset, you get the finished level. That isn't what I started out with.
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Tue, 11 March 2003 21:58 |
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Look, as much as I hate ACK. I have to go with him. Even if ACK didn't create the map from scratch... he is still entitled to call it his own. As Westwood themselves... GAVE IT TO HIM. And has no problems calling it his own. And he does have some merit on the map.
Last and finally, Westwood gave the map so the map is his. EVEN IF HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. But unfortunately, he did... which gives him a lot of rights to call it his own. I hope I make sense because I didn't understand what I just said.
Renegade is a team based game... not a Rambo style game. For without teamwork, non shall be accomplished.
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Wed, 12 March 2003 08:36 |
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If you want to see what ACK started with, load up Commando editor, and open terrain/mult player levels, and make glacer, that is about what Ack had, I think, on the old forums I posted a link for a pic, but I don't have it any more, so...
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If you use the Make command on the Glacier preset, you get the finished level. That isn't what I started out with.
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Got any pics then? this modder is curious??
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Wed, 12 March 2003 08:41 |
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well really it should be the only 'westwood started fan finished' map to make it into renegade, although im guessing it wasn't worked on by westwood much.
But remember if westwood hadn't 'started' it, it would probably not have made it into the official renegade patch.
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Actually, Westwood was going to put more maps than that in the patch, but the execs above decided not to introduce new game modes (DMCenter = Death Match)...
I'm the bawss.
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