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No no no no no.......
First of all, that site is just a fan made fantasy. With great looking renders. Nothing more. Though I did advise him to make his ideas into a modification.
Now, as for the next C&C.
If you go to petroglyphgames.com and look in Joe's, Steve's or Mike's profiles, you'll see them mentioning a new C&C game being developed at Westwood Studios at the time the consolidation of Westwood Studios, EA Pacific and DreamWorks Interactive took place.
It is safe to assume that the game they mention there, without naming it, is still being developed at EALA, probably under the supervision of Rade Stojsavljevic (TS/Firestorm senior producer) and Adam Isgreen (RA, TS, Firestorm lead designer), the two guys at EALA that are currently handling and responsible for the true storyline of C&C.
Note, if you will, that the Generals expansion pack, Zero Hour, does indeed have FMV movies with live action. Done by Rade's team, by the way.
Rest assured that the next True C&C, will have live action movies, and most certainly with higher production values than those in Zero Hour.
Those concept art for "TT" you see at Tiberiumsun.com are not "recently released concept sketches for TT" as someone called them here.
Those are simply generic sketches done by artists that worked for Westwood Pacific (not Westwood Studios), that did RA2/YR and Nox and later Generals (as EA Pacific).
Mark Skaggs and Harvard Bonin have been quoted to say that when they were thinking about ideas for their next RTS, after YR, they had a few options, a Red Alert 3, a Tiberian game, a totally new game or whatnot....
Many of those early designs and ideas you can find sketches for at TJ Frame's site.
It is more than reasonable to assume that those "TT sketches" are nothing but a few of the initial concept ideas for when the EA Pacific people (led by Mark and Harvard) were thinking of what to do next, after YR, and eventually settled on Generals and its features today.
So those sketches were probably just made for when they thought about maybe doing a Tiberian game.....
And let us all thank god that they didn't. The Westwood/EA Pacific crew is certainly not known for their great story writing.
They already destroyed one part of the True C&C storyline, the prequel Red Alert, by creating a stand alone sequel to Red Alert that doesn't really fit anywhere (i.e. RA2/YR).
Final note.
I've had the privilidge to view a general overview of the original trilogy concept for C&C. Well, Trilogy + Prequel (RA). As they were all written by a single group of people (including Ed del Castillo, Brett Sperry and Eydie Laramore, and others).
Tibrian Sun and namely Firestorm have made a little turn of events from that original Trilogy concept (and the concept was for a day cycle, hence Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun[noon] and Tiberian Night). And as Brett Sperry himself said in an interview, since the series has evolved since it's original concept, it might take more than a trilogy to reach the originally concepted conclusion.
So while there will be a next True C&C (or a contender for that 'True' classification), and maybe even is one in production right now, it might very well not be called Twilight. Or, then again, it might be called Twilight and then followed by... Night or whatever.
P.S.
Who knows, even though while we all know (or we all should know) that RA2 and YR are just standalone crappy games (storywise) loosely based on and inspired by the True prequel to C&C, Red Alert, maybe... just maybe, someone at EALA is thinking about what is needed in a game or for a game that will remedy all the plot holes or at least actually connect RA2/YR on both ends to RA and TD.
In fact...... Well, you've all seen the various screenshots of the cancelled Renegade 2 project, haven't you? 
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51101] |
Sun, 12 October 2003 15:59 |
Ultron10
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I just hope they stick with the Tiberian storyline for the time being. The next C&C game type doesn't bother me, FPS or RTS, as long as it continues with GDI & Nod.
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51137] |
Sun, 12 October 2003 23:46 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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The connection between RA and TD is not thin.
RA was crafted specifically to tell the background stories of the factions, GDI and Nod, and what led to TD. It was specifically created as the prequel to TD.
Notice, if you will, that in RA you don't play as just a Soviet general, but rather one who is a Nod loyalist.
The connection might seem thin, considering that RA takes place in the 1950s and there abouts, and TD takes place in the mid 90s.
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51141] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 06:50 |
NHJ BV
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The problem is that there hasn't been any news or even rumours whatsoever on a new true C&C since Delphi (or was it Dev?) made that poll on the original Renegade boards asking about the SciFi level of a new C&C...
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51143] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 06:58 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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NHJ, did you actually read my very very long reply in this topic... right up there?
Joe Bostic's profile from Petroglyphgames.com
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before leaving Westwood Studios to found Petroglyph, Joe was Technical Director on the next Westwood Command & Conquer RTS title.
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Mike Legg's profile from Petroglyphgames.com
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Most recently, before leaving Westwood Studios (Electronic Arts) to found Petroglyph, he was the Lead Programmer on the Command & Conquer Real-Time Strategy team.
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Steve Tall's profile from Petroglyphgames.com
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Most recently, before leaving Westwood Studios to found Petroglyph, Steve was Lead Network Engineer on the next Westwood Command & Conquer title.
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They aren't talking about Generals, cause that was a project by EA Pacific, not Westwood Studios.
There were two more occasions of interviews and magazines mentioning the next Westwood's (now EALA's) C&C game.
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51145] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 07:19 |
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Joe Bostic's section:
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The next Command & Conquer RTS title (2003), Electronic Arts
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Westwood’s next Command & Conquer title - Electronic Arts
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51148] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 07:31 |
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Not you, Z130, I should have quoted the post.
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What are you talking about i dont put random posts, i cant even connect to this forums most of the time, and somtimes i cant post a replie cuz it says my password is incorrect and becides quote a post that was random, maybe one or two but thats it 
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51165] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 09:19 |
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]The connection might seem thin, considering that RA takes place in the 1950s and there abouts, and TD takes place in the mid 90s.
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The mid 90s? So around 1995? I don't think it could have happened any earlier than around 2000... In the Tiberian Dawn manual it says that GDI was established in 1995, the game would have to take place at least several years after they were created.
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Not you, Z130, I should have quoted the post.
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What are you talking about i dont put random posts, i cant even connect to this forums most of the time, and somtimes i cant post a replie cuz it says my password is incorrect and becides quote a post that was random, maybe one or two but thats it
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Posting about your 280th post seems pretty random to me. If it was your 1000 post, or your 1337 post ( ) I could see, but your 280th?
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51175] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 10:21 |
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]The connection might seem thin, considering that RA takes place in the 1950s and there abouts, and TD takes place in the mid 90s.
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The mid 90s? So around 1995? I don't think it could have happened any earlier than around 2000... In the Tiberian Dawn manual it says that GDI was established in 1995, the game would have to take place at least several years after they were created.
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GDI was established in 1995..... Or rather, transformed into GDI at that year.
It was already active before, under the name of Special Operations Group Echo, Black Ops 9.
It was transformed into GDI and made public BECAUSE of the war against Nod. Because Nod was rising to power (using the meteor and the Tiberium it introduced to earth that hit several years before the actual war we play in TD) and undermining the Black Ops 9 group's actions and activities.
So it wasn't actually founded in 1995.
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51184] |
Mon, 13 October 2003 11:48 |
NHJ BV
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Cypher: I read your post, but even those mentions of "a next C&C" have been there for a long while now. What I mean is that there hasn't been any news, rumour or official word in the last, say, two months, that has been anymore than briefly mentioning a "next C&C".
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51353] |
Tue, 14 October 2003 17:27 |
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wow I didnt know RA was suppost to tell the story to the Tiberian series, I just thought they had bad writters and needed a good ending so they take from the other game. I personally thought it was dumb as hell when Kane was at the end, RA seemed like it should have been its own series from the start. RA2 was kind of the crazy/funny get loose to CNC, which is what I thought RA should have been all along, with Tiberian being the drama.
I dont see how Brett Sperry could have come up with the entire CNC1 almost entirely on his own and then screw TS up so bad, and then get fired?!?!? CNC1 was a masterpeice, almost perfect in some sense, and has set a bar that has never been reached in many aspects. I still wish they could just do TS over (i died inside when I played the last GDI firestorm mission, what the hell is that giant robot from power rangers doing in C&C?)
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51408] |
Tue, 14 October 2003 22:27 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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What the f...?
First of all, Kane doesn't appear only at the end of RA. He appears several times throughout both campeigns of Red Alert.
Secondly, RA2 was made by totally different people. None that were involved with RA or TD or TS. RA2 is the odd one out.
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Brett Sperry did come up with TD all by himself. C&C was created by Brett Sperry, Joe Bostic and Eydie Laramore. And that's just the general concept and idea. There were others at Westwood Studios that actually set down and fleshed out an entire trilogy from their ideas, and then even created a very detailed prequel to that trilogy (RA). Like the creator of RA, Ed del Castillo.
No one screwed up TS. TS is a great game. It has much more potential in gameplay then it used up, but it is still a great game. Though the story does stray a bit from the originally concepted trilogy story outline. That just evolves the storyline though.
And Brett Sperry wasn't fired. He can't be fired from the company he founded, for fuck's sake. God damn, I'm so tired from all these stupid WSE conspiracies.
Hell, Brett Sperry is STILL working for EA as a consultant and advisor on various EA projects. And that's even after Westwood Studios itself was closed and its teams moved to EALA (and one team to EARS).
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| what is going to be the next C&C game? [message #51598] |
Thu, 16 October 2003 10:23 |
Cypher [PCNC]
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Yeah, I bet you did.... At WSE's site or something. Cause it's not true.
As for the real RA storyline.
There was never supposed to be a real RA storyline.
Red Alert is the direct, only and true prequel to the events of Tiberian Dawn (C&C). It was created as such by Ed del Castillo, and written carefully as such.
RA2/YR was made by Westwood Pacific, a completly different team for who this game (RA2) was the first C&C experience (not including the RA port for the PSX).
RA2/YR is just a pseudo sequel to RA that really has nothing to do with neither RA nor TD. It's just inspired by it.
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