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| Quick Question [message #47904] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 04:55  |
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Serenity
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Client/Server ... so in order to play on a Renguard protected Server you have to download MORE crap just to play on it ... which in other words is Spy software. Sorry this is only my opinion ... and bashing me for adding this is expected, so np ...
I host a server on GSA and am a MOD for Renstation servers on WOL ... our players don't want to have to D/L something just to play, I mean alot of our players are running out of disk space as it is because of mappacks and all the renegade files. Why not just a server progy, makes more since ... maybe I am just a stupid arrogant moron but me knowing and having experience in program development I know it can be done, but it is your progy and good luck on it.
I'm just trying to help and not trying to bash anyone here. Just giving my opinion.
Anyway G/L.
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| Quick Question [message #47905] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 05:02  |
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Aircraftkiller
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Well, your opinion obviously isn't very informed.
You're correct in the assumption that it is "spyware," after all, the RenGuard team *did* publically state that it would scan the Renegade folder for unauthorized files that allow people to cheat the game.
To turn a long post into a shorter one: If you don't like it, then don't download it. Just don't bitch when the cheaters come into your server because they have nowhere else to go.
EDIT: I checked out that website in your sugnature. WTF?
"Description:
C&C_BasinTS, C&C_bridge, C&C_Canyon, C&C_City_Flying_Exp, C&C_BunkersTS, C&C_City_Flying, and C&C_Conquest_Island
Creator:
Serenity"
Uhmm... You realize I created BunkersTS, BasinTS, modified Flying Exp?
Please don't put my levels into "map packs" without even asking me for permission, first. I made them, I say where they're distributed and who distributes them.
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| Re: Quick Question [message #47914] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 07:25 |
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Blazer
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| Serenity |
Client/Server ... so in order to play on a Renguard protected Server you have to download MORE crap just to play on it ... which in other words is Spy software. Sorry this is only my opinion ... and bashing me for adding this is expected, so np ...
I host a server on GSA and am a MOD for Renstation servers on WOL ... our players don't want to have to D/L something just to play, I mean alot of our players are running out of disk space as it is because of mappacks and all the renegade files. Why not just a server progy, makes more since ... maybe I am just a stupid arrogant moron but me knowing and having experience in program development I know it can be done, but it is your progy and good luck on it.
I'm just trying to help and not trying to bash anyone here. Just giving my opinion.
Anyway G/L.
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The word "spyware" is a bit extreme. It does scan your renegade directory for unauthorized files, so call it what you wish, as long as you call punkbuster, and your antivirus software the same thing 
As for the disk space issue, don't worry it will be VERY small due to being coded in pure ASM.
I realize having to download something to play is a pain in the ass, but trust me, having a 7 tank flame rush stopped by a minigunner using the damage hack is quite a bit more of a pain.
The download will be small, running it will be as seamless as possible. We will also incorporate extra features so server owners get some added benefit besides being cheat free, like a MOTD so they can post their website for the server etc.
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| Quick Question [message #47915] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 07:30 |
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Crimson
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Serenity, you have a few options.
1) Don't download RenGuard. Then all the servers you can play on are where the cheaters will be.
2) Download RenGuard, and know the servers you are on are populated with only legit players.
3) Program your own solution.
But, yes, we do believe there's a way to run a program just with the server to check for cheaters, but it will apparently take significantly longer to code because the details haven't been worked out yet. RenGuard is a solution that can be produced in a much more timely manner.
"which in other words is Spy software" - No, it's not. You're just using RenGuard to prove you are playing legitimately. Is a retina scan spying? Is a password spying? No. RenGuard is a way to prove to an FDS that you are playing legit. The server owners make the decision to use it. If they say they only want RenGuard users on their servers, then that's their call as server owners.
Hope this clarifies.
I'm the bawss.
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| Quick Question [message #47936] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 08:25 |
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Griever92
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Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Your accusition that Renguard is Spyware is completely blown out of proportion. Yes, Renguard will scan files on Your computer, but think of it as a Security Feature. Then there's the fact that, im probably not gonna se Ads popping up everywhere when i install Renguard, i wont be sending any information other than a list of files in my /Renegade/Data folder.
So quit your complaining, what Crimson said is completely true in the manner that its your choice as a server owner to Install it or not.
just remember, you will be overrun by cheaters if you don't install it, then no Legit player will even appreciate your servers. i myself am starting to get a little impatient with your servers, which is a problem, since your servers are the only ones that give me decent ladder points.
Alex "Griever92" Bracken
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| Quick Question [message #48004] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 13:47 |
Speedy059
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i myself am starting to get a little impatient with your servers, which is a problem, since your servers are the only ones that give me decent ladder points.
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Which servers?
Oldest Renegade Repository (10yrs worth of maps!)
http://renegade.dmehosting.com/
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| Quick Question [message #48043] |
Thu, 18 September 2003 17:41 |
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Crimson
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It's not like the current fix won't be VERY effective. If we didn't have complete faith in it, we wouldn't do it.
The other method will be even more effective in theory, but it's still experimental and not completely researched yet. I wouldn't know how many months it would take to get out.
Yeah, a stitch in time saves nine, but not all Renegade players are that patient.
I'm the bawss.
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| Quick Question [message #48574] |
Mon, 22 September 2003 08:40 |
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Serenity
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To turn a long post into a shorter one: If you don't like it, then don't download it. Just don't bitch when the cheaters come into your server because they have nowhere else to go.
EDIT: I checked out that website in your sugnature. WTF?
"Description:
C&C_BasinTS, C&C_bridge, C&C_Canyon, C&C_City_Flying_Exp, C&C_BunkersTS, C&C_City_Flying, and C&C_Conquest_Island
Creator:
Serenity"
Uhmm... You realize I created BunkersTS, BasinTS, modified Flying Exp?
Please don't put my levels into "map packs" without even asking me for permission, first. I made them, I say where they're distributed and who distributes them.
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For one it states that I made the mappack ... If you would have taken the time to read the agreement ... !! I'll remove them thats not a problem, they aren't in rotation anymore anyway.
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Griever92 wrote
i myself am starting to get a little impatient with your servers, which is a problem, since your servers are the only ones that give me decent ladder points.
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You'll have to take that up with speedy, renstation Fastc0nn servers are his.
Now Aircraftkiller states that its spyware and Crimson states that it isn't .. alittle confused here, anyway ... say when its ready I download this ... will my spyware removal software remove it or make it where it doesn't funtion?
And Crimson thank you for your reply because yours seemed more helpful. And I am glad to hear that you are trying to accomplish a stand alone. That would probably be the best move, either way ... cheaters have to be eliminated.
Thank You Good Day
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| Quick Question [message #48582] |
Mon, 22 September 2003 09:54 |
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Crimson
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Spyware typical targets your browsing activities. RenGuard doesn't go anywhere near your browser. There is no activity in RenGuard that would trigger a spyware detection scheme.
I'm the bawss.
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| Quick Question [message #48588] |
Mon, 22 September 2003 10:11 |
Ugauga01
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<censored>
C&C Bridge was done by my friend.
ACK is right. Don´t do mappacks and say that are your maps.
Edit: Do not use profane Language here!
Das Leben ist ein scheiß Rollenspiel. -Hat aber eine geile Grafik.
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The life is a bad RPG. -But it has a great Graphik
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| Quick Question [message #48739] |
Tue, 23 September 2003 09:45 |
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Xtrm2Matt
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Before doing that, I would contact every major C&C site and inform them of the thievery, then make sure you're never going to get any real downloads on the level. A blacklist, if you will.
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You can't be banned from a website / downloading without a Domain Ban. This is easy to get around, New IP or Proxy.
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Just because something is put into the public domain doesn't mean it's free for public modification and plagarism. If this were so, you wouldn't be getting subpeonas from the RIAA for downloading copyrighted *.mp3 files, now would you??
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I download what i want when i want. I download MP3's.. Movies.. Games.. anything, have i been caught? No. Will i get caught? 1/9999999 chance i will.
I didn't say its free for Modification and Plagarism, i said rename a file and make a Readme file. Not modify the Map or anything like that.
P.s. Sue me.
http://www.OpticalGaming.com || irc.OpticalGaming.com
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| Quick Question [message #48744] |
Tue, 23 September 2003 10:45 |
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warranto
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I can expect Warranto to come in here eventually and say otherwise.
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I'm sorry, but I have to Laugh out loud at this. Nothing bad ment by it, but I guess I do have some sort of reputation (for better or for worse) on these forums.
On topic though, strictly speaking -the so called "Black and White" (not a racial connection, another name would be right [white] or wrong [black] {think of good and evil color representations}) Law- it is illigal to use other peoples work and call it your own, or cause the assumption to be that you are calling it your own. No body can create a colection of items without specifying who the original author/creator is. Whether it be a collection of poems, a collection of books, or in this case a collection of maps. However, as with every aspect of the law it's open to debate. Is it really that serious? Unfortunatly the seriousness of it depends on the person who holds the rights to the piece of work.
I don't have all my legal links with me to double check my understanding of this as I'm not at home, but overall this is the case. Now I will check when I get home, there may be some extenuating circumstances in this case regarding intellectual property over physically copyrighted property, that the law can shed light on. If I find any, I'll be sure to post it.
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| Quick Question [message #48934] |
Wed, 24 September 2003 09:54 |
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Crimson
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Not to argue, but ACK always includes a readme. If you got it from a site that's not including the ReadMe, you should let him know so he can rectify the situation.
I'm the bawss.
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