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majikent Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:21 am
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Why you have lied about this Final rene being infected with some type of virus?
Here's a better question. Why the fuck does it matter? It's a cheat, and you shouldn't be downloading it in the first place.
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It matters because you want me to trust what this person says, actually both people, Crimson and Blazer. How can you be so naive to overlook Blazers lies and resort to finger pointing?
Its a Mod, it modifies the game and Crimson and Blazer both downloaded it, so what makes me any different that I cant download it? WHY? Because im not a self-proclaimed community leader? Is that it?
I download what my ISP allows me to, I doubt my ISP is going to think a mod file for a FPS Game is a breach of TOS, but making an EXE for the game is against the Renegade AUP, the people who made that app should be banned by EA. And Renguard would 100% be breaking the AUP for Renegade. Im pretty sure Reverse Engineering wasn’t what EA had in mind for the Renguard Team, basically the Renguard Team is Reverse Engineering a game that you have agreed NOT TO REVERSE ENGINER. Cough ASM.
Crimson and blazer both need to start telling the truth.
If Both Crimson and Blazer never lied about Final rene being infected I might actually believe some of the other comments they have made in these forums.
I doubt Renguard will be even finished, as ive already mention, its not legitimate.
Notice both Blazer and Crimson have yet to reply to my questions raised ?
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majikent Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:21 am
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Why you have lied about this Final rene being infected with some type of virus?
Here's a better question. Why the fuck does it matter? It's a cheat, and you shouldn't be downloading it in the first place.
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It matters because you want me to trust what this person says, actually both people, Crimson and Blazer. How can you be so naive to overlook Blazers lies and resort to finger pointing?
Its a Mod, it modifies the game and Crimson and Blazer both downloaded it, so what makes me any different that I cant download it? WHY? Because im not a self-proclaimed community leader? Is that it?
I download what my ISP allows me to, I doubt my ISP is going to think a mod file for a FPS Game is a breach of TOS, but making an EXE for the game is against the Renegade AUP, the people who made that app should be banned by EA. And Renguard would 100% be breaking the AUP for Renegade. Im pretty sure Reverse Engineering wasn’t what EA had in mind for the Renguard Team, basically the Renguard Team is Reverse Engineering a game that you have agreed NOT TO REVERSE ENGINER. Cough ASM.
Crimson and blazer both need to start telling the truth.
If Both Crimson and Blazer never lied about Final rene being infected I might actually believe some of the other comments they have made in these forums.
I doubt Renguard will be even finished, as ive already mention, its not legitimate.
Notice both Blazer and Crimson have yet to reply to my questions raised ?
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LOL.. I thank you. You made my day. I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while.
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Its a Mod, it modifies the game and Crimson and Blazer both downloaded it, so what makes me any different that I cant download it? WHY? Because im not a self-proclaimed community leader? Is that it?
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In order to discover how to stop a cheat, you have to know how the cheat works. The only way to do this is to experiance it first hand. As for the "self-proclimation" of them, they never decided that, they worked for it, and earned that spot through dedication to the game and the community.
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I doubt Renguard will be even finished, as ive already mention, its not legitimate.
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Don't speak of things you obviously know nothing about, and never bothered to recearched in the first place.. I'm not going to answer this, but only say look elsewhere in the forum, this question has been answered already.
and one last thing...
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Crimson and blazer both need to start telling the truth.
If Both Crimson and Blazer never lied about Final rene being infected I might actually believe some of the other comments they have made in these forums.
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Governments have lied to thier own populations more than this... and with things more serious than this. Yet people still believe them after the fact. You don't trust them, fine, don't download the program. I fortunatly won't be seeing you on any respectable server after it's release, so unless you persue this useless and pointless arguement, I won't waste my time with you.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 20:06 |
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Final Renegade DOES break the law. Online harrassments laws and violation of privacy.
RenGuard doesn't reverse engineer Renegade.
You have absolutely NO IDEA about how RenGuard works or the progress so stop speaking on the matter like you're an authority.
I'm the bawss.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 21:19 |
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http://www.onlineharassment.com/photos.htm
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Defamation
Generally, this is when a photo is used to injure the subject's reputation. For example, if a photo is altered so that the subject's head appears on the body of a naked person or it is made to appear that the person is falsely engaged in illicit, illegal or inappropriate acts that would cause people to think less of him/her.
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The photos in the presentation constitute online harrassment. Stretching the images to make Blazer, djlaptop, and myself appear to weigh more than we do constitute harrassment, as does adding "speech bubbles" that make us appear to be saying insulting things about ourselves.
We are not revealing anymore about how RenGuard works than what you see on RenGuard.com. This is not because I don't understand how it works. I do understand in a little more than general terms. I listen and watch the team work all day. I don't answer because you don't need to know. That's like locking my car so you can't steal my stereo, and then hand you the keys. It's stupid.
I am not convinced that Final Renegade isn't infected. Check it out all you want, but I've heard from more than one source that it is infected, even a quote from Ty himself. So I'm not going to take that back.
If Ty is going to say he doesn't support cheating, then release Final Renegade, then I'm not going to believe him, and neither should you, when he says it's not infected.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 21:45 |
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Interesting..
However the pics don’t constitute harassment, you can find many pics of celebrities on the net, pretty much doing the same as what you have described, its called FREEDOM OF SPEACH.
The picture in mention was originally on your site as I myself had viewed the picture from a link found at cncammo.com (I think)
With all the expertise you have at your fingertips im surprised your unable to provide an Anti Virus scanner log of this infected file and or a Firewall log of the application attempting to send out an unauthorized packet.
I stand by what I have found, which is, the FILE is NOT INFECTED.
I speculate you have Stated that it is infected due to the fact your not happy with this application and don’t want other people to see it ?
I do sympathies with the harassment your receiving but one must be careful when posting sensitive information on the Internet of a WAN accessible computer.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 21:50 |
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However the pics don’t constitute harassment, you can find many pics of celebrities on the net, pretty much doing the same as what you have described, its called FREEDOM OF SPEACH.
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Yep and that's why celebrities sue the websites and win. And that's why I and others have been able to get these sites shut down from every provider they try to go up on.
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I do sympathies with the harassment your receiving but one must be careful when posting sensitive information on the Internet of a WAN accessible computer.
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I thought you said it wasn't harrassment. Uh oh, you made a boo boo!!
I don't give a shit if people know what I look like.
I'm the bawss.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 21:58 |
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Interesting..
However the pics don’t constitute harassment, you can find many pics of celebrities on the net, pretty much doing the same as what you have described, its called FREEDOM OF SPEACH.
The picture in mention was originally on your site as I myself had viewed the picture from a link found at cncammo.com (I think)
With all the expertise you have at your fingertips im surprised your unable to provide an Anti Virus scanner log of this infected file and or a Firewall log of the application attempting to send out an unauthorized packet.
I stand by what I have found, which is, the FILE is NOT INFECTED.
I speculate you have Stated that it is infected due to the fact your not happy with this application and don’t want other people to see it ?
I do sympathies with the harassment your receiving but one must be careful when posting sensitive information on the Internet of a WAN accessible computer.
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Do you even bother to research what you accuse people of????
Since you are obviously so ignorant of facts, I guess I have to provide you with the information publically, when you could have done this privately.
If someone has posted your photograph on a web site without your permission, you need to be aware of your rights. Aside from the fact that lifting someone's graphics or photos from their web site is a violation of copyright, there are other legal considerations if your request to have the photos removed isn't successful. To have a photo removed from a web site, consider whether any of the following has occurred:
Invasion of Privacy
This may apply if the subject of the photo is portrayed falsely and/or in an offensive manner. It is also considered an invasion of privacy if the photograph was taken while the subject was in a situation where privacy was expected, i.e., the photographer took the photo while peeping through a bedroom window. Photos taken in a public place or at a gathering or event where the public is invited, generally does not constitute invasion of privacy.
Right of Publicity
This can occur when a photo is used on a commercial website. The unauthorized use of a photograph on web site that is selling a product or service would probably violate an individual's right of publicity as it may appear that the subject is endorsing the product or service.
Defamation
Generally, this is when a photo is used to injure the subject's reputation. For example, if a photo is altered so that the subject's head appears on the body of a naked person or it is made to appear that the person is falsely engaged in illicit, illegal or inappropriate acts that would cause people to think less of him/her.
If any of these situations apply to you, you'll want to contact the web host (if the photos are posted on a private domain) or the webmaster or abuse department if they are hosted on a free web space provider or other web site. If the photo isn't removed, you should contact the legal department of the web hosting provider or take your complaint to the next level of support.
As I said, despite the fact that the pics were on a public domane, it doesn't give the person the right to harass, defame, and invade a persons privacy
Here I'll even do you the favor of breaking it down for you, since you seem unable to do that yourself.
Harassment: the specific thing that they are doing... which is broken down into the latter groups.
Defamation of Character: The photo's and personal information being displayed has the potential to cause harm to the reputation of those involved, even though an online reputation means nothing, displaying the personal information allows the possibility of the harassment to cary into her personal life.
Invasion of Privacy
to quote from the site directly..."This may apply if the subject of the photo is portrayed falsely" This is true because the cheat suggests that those displayed were the creators of the cheat.
Rights of Publicity
again to quote from the site... " The unauthorized use of a photograph on web site that is selling a product or service would probably violate an individual's right of publicity as it may appear that the subject is endorsing the product or service."
This applies as well with programs. Once again because the pictures being displayed will cause people to assume that they endorse the product.
Freedom of speech does not apply when it involved illigal activity.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 21:59 |
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Please don’t twist my words in an attempt to make yourself look intelligent, it only adds to the list on insults you find yourself posting.
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Yep and that's why celebrities sue the websites and win. And that's why I and others have been able to get these sites shut down from every provider they try to go up on.
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Celebrities sue sites for pictures they post that were not paid for.
You’re not Celebrities and you released the pictures on n00bstories.com with no exclusive copywriter protection. I find it funny you compare yourself to a Celebrity.
And as for the sites , umm Can you tell us EXACTLY Which sites you had shut down ?
Because all the sites I found final rene, are all still online.
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I do sympathies with the harassment your receiving but one must be careful when posting sensitive information on the Internet of a WAN accessible computer.
I thought you said it wasn't harassment. Uh oh, you made a boo boo!!
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Due to the fact you love to twist words, I will explain this to you.
In Reference to your information being used to harass you, I sympathies.
In Reference to the pictures, GROW UP! And stop crying over spilt milk.
Like you said..
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I don't give a shit if people know what I look like.
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Then stop whining about the fact they stretched your picture, stretching your picture and putting bubbles isn’t harassment, it’s a funny. 
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Sat, 13 September 2003 22:07 |
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Oh, I'm sorry, apparently celebrities fall under different laws that I do. Read warranto's post. He knows what he's talking about.
The most recent site I had shut down was http://unknowncheats.homeip.net/ -- I reported them to DynDNS and they informed me that "This user's accounts have been terminated for their violations of our AUP."
Now the dynamic IP resolves to a 10.x.x.x IP which basically doesn't let you connect to it since 10. is reserved for local IPs.
Now you're trying to wriggle out of it by saying "oh, it's just funny". Yeah, ruining the game for hundreds of gamers is HILARIOUS!!! Suuuure.
Seriously, go away. Now.
I'm the bawss.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 22:09 |
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Please don’t twist my words in an attempt to make yourself look intelligent, it only adds to the list on insults you find yourself posting.
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Yep and that's why celebrities sue the websites and win. And that's why I and others have been able to get these sites shut down from every provider they try to go up on.
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Celebrities sue sites for pictures they post that were not paid for.
You’re not Celebrities and you released the pictures on n00bstories.com with no exclusive copywriter protection. I find it funny you compare yourself to a Celebrity.
And as for the sites , umm Can you tell us EXACTLY Which sites you had shut down ?
Because all the sites I found final rene, are all still online.
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I do sympathies with the harassment your receiving but one must be careful when posting sensitive information on the Internet of a WAN accessible computer.
I thought you said it wasn't harassment. Uh oh, you made a boo boo!!
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Due to the fact you love to twist words, I will explain this to you.
In Reference to your information being used to harass you, I sympathies.
In Reference to the pictures, GROW UP! And stop crying over spilt milk.
Like you said..
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I don't give a shit if people know what I look like.
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Then stop whining about the fact they stretched your picture, stretching your picture and putting bubbles isn’t harassment, it’s a funny.
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Twisting words? Just because Crimson isn't a celebrity doesn't mean she doesn't have the same legal rights.
And as for the specifics as to what you meant by harassment, it's not twisting your words, you stated what you did and she countered. If you meant otherwise you should have stated otherwise. But since you don't get that, I'll attempt to explain it to you. What you stated encompassed ALL harrasment going on, simply because you did not state any specifics doesn't matter. So Crimson countered exactly what you said. So maybe you should grow up... stating something and then crying and complaining afterwords that it wasn't what you meant is VERY childish.
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So maybe you should grow up... stating something and then crying and complaining afterwords that it wasn't what you meant is VERY childish.
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Maybe he's just a moron, and not a mature one, eh?
I'm the bawss.
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Oh, I'm sorry, apparently celebrities fall under different laws that I do. Read warranto's post. He knows what he's talking about.
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Your acting like the makers of Final rene have taken your photo whilst stepping out of your front door one morning. This simply isnt the case and as much as you attempt to exgrate it , it never will be. Let me say it again.
You released the Photo with no Copywrite protection.
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The most recent site I had shut down was http://unknowncheats.homeip.net/ -- I reported them to DynDNS and they informed me that "This user's accounts have been terminated for their violations of our AUP."
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Never heard of that site, maybe it doesn’t exist? Try this one instead
If the application is Illegal like you said, im sure that site will be closed in no time just like these other sites you claim to have had closed down.
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Now you're trying to wriggle out of it by saying "oh, it's just funny". Yeah, ruining the game for hundreds of gamers is HILARIOUS!!! Suuuure.
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Now your still twisting my words ? Dam when will you stop women ?
The Cheats are not funny , the presentation was funny. Actually HILARIOUSE , or is that HIDIOUSE ?
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Seriously, go away. Now.
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This is a community forum; you’re the community admin of the official renegade forums, why are you constantly asking me to go away? I have not breached any of the Account AUP's.
We cant say the same for you now can we ?
Iris
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Sat, 13 September 2003 22:31 |
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Your acting like the makers of Final rene have taken your photo whilst stepping out of your front door one morning. This simply isnt the case and as much as you attempt to exgrate it , it never will be. Let me say it again.
You released the Photo with no Copywrite protection.
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Doesn't matter. A photo of me was edited to be harrassing and falsely construes me as endorsing Final Renegade. Hence, laws were broken.
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Never heard of that site, maybe it doesn’t exist? Try this one instead
http://unknowncheats.com/ If the application is Illegal like you said, im sure that site will be closed in no time just like these other sites you claim to have had closed down.
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That "unknowncheats" site keeps moving because it keeps being shut down. Now I have another place to report it to. Shame.
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Now your still twisting my words ? Dam when will you stop women ?
The Cheats are not funny , the presentation was funny. Actually HILARIOUSE , or is that HIDIOUSE ?
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Ooh... are your arguments that flimsy that you have to resort to sexism? Shame. You can't spell either.
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This is a community forum; you’re the community admin of the official renegade forums, why are you constantly asking me to go away? I have not breached any of the Account AUP's.
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I pay for the server this is hosted on. I reserve the right to allow or disallow anyone I want. You're lucky you've lasted this long, really...
I'm the bawss.
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Oh, I'm sorry, apparently celebrities fall under different laws that I do. Read warranto's post. He knows what he's talking about.
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Your acting like the makers of Final rene have taken your photo whilst stepping out of your front door one morning. This simply isnt the case and as much as you attempt to exgrate it , it never will be. Let me say it again.
You released the Photo with no Copywrite protection.
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The most recent site I had shut down was http://unknowncheats.homeip.net/ -- I reported them to DynDNS and they informed me that "This user's accounts have been terminated for their violations of our AUP."
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Never heard of that site, maybe it doesn’t exist? Try this one instead
http://unknowncheats.com/ If the application is Illegal like you said, im sure that site will be closed in no time just like these other sites you claim to have had closed down.
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Now you're trying to wriggle out of it by saying "oh, it's just funny". Yeah, ruining the game for hundreds of gamers is HILARIOUS!!! Suuuure.
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Now your still twisting my words ? Dam when will you stop women ?
The Cheats are not funny , the presentation was funny. Actually HILARIOUSE , or is that HIDIOUSE ?
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Seriously, go away. Now.
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This is a community forum; you’re the community admin of the official renegade forums, why are you constantly asking me to go away? I have not breached any of the Account AUP's.
We cant say the same for you now can we ?
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You just don't get it do you? Are you mentally impared or something???
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You released the Photo with no Copywrite protection.
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IT DOES NOT MATTER It's being used for illigal activities!
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This is a community forum; you’re the community admin of the official renegade forums, why are you constantly asking me to go away? I have not breached any of the Account AUP's.
We cant say the same for you now can we ?
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Get your facts straight.. she OWNS the forums, She has her OWN TOS agreement. The fact that she OWNS the forums means she can do WHAT EVER SHE WANTS. Yes this sounds bad, but she chooses NOT to abuse her privilages as OWNER. And you keep referring to AUP's please show us where she is in breach of them... and oh, I suggest you recearch your answer before you make an even more fool of yourself...
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Sat, 13 September 2003 22:43 |
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Since you again had to resort to baseless insults , perhaps you would care to show us all this spelling mistake you appear to have found ?
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Now your still twisting my words ? Dam when will you stop women ?
The Cheats are not funny , the presentation was funny. Actually HILARIOUSE , or is that HIDIOUSE ?
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Ooh... are your arguments that flimsy that you have to resort to sexism? Shame. You can't spell either.
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This is a community forum; you’re the community admin of the official renegade forums, why are you constantly asking me to go away? I have not breached any of the Account AUP's.
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And were does the sexism come into it ? was it because i called you a women ? lol 
Well im getting a little bored with your intelligence level, im going to go play some games.
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Well im getting a little bored with your intelligence level, im going to go play some games.
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Ah yes, finally bored with your better, and now you are going off to lower your inteligence by playing computer games? or did I misunderstand? Are you really going off to play with yourself in the corner while looking at womens underwear ads? Its really sad what society, and the people of it, are coming to. and now that I have cable, I can watch society go to hell on 90 channels. the other 10 actually have content. You should have quit while you were ahead, Iris, but now I see that I was right in my first post.
Go fuck yourself.
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Sat, 13 September 2003 23:04 |
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warranto, I just laugh at your replies.
It’s not hard to tell your crimsons lapdog. (here boy, Fetch, Good Dog.)
Oh and its kind of lame when all you can resort to is incorrect spelling of 1 or 2 words. Please get some debating skills.
Renguard is 100% Breaching the Renegade AUP, if Crimson doesn’t have EA's permission then the application is a 3rd party application, not a modification and or skin, its an exe / 3rd party application. The Fact they are using ASM to construct this application also suggests they are reverse engineering the game and or FDS, which is also Against the AUP.
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Renguard is 100% Breaching the Renegade AUP, if Crimson doesn’t have EA's permission then the application is a 3rd party application, not a modification and or skin, its an exe / 3rd party application. The Fact they are using ASM to construct this application also suggests they are reverse engineering the game and or FDS, which is also Against the AUP.
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Um... you're lost... seriously, irrevocably lost. You can't stay in a debate if you forget what's been said. I already answered this uneducated accusation.
I'm the bawss.
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warranto, I just laugh at your replies.
It’s not hard to tell your crimsons lapdog. (here boy, Fetch, Good Dog.)
Oh and its kind of lame when all you can resort to is incorrect spelling of 1 or 2 words. Please get some debating skills.
Renguard is 100% Breaching the Renegade AUP, if Crimson doesn’t have EA's permission then the application is a 3rd party application, not a modification and or skin, its an exe / 3rd party application. The Fact they are using ASM to construct this application also suggests they are reverse engineering the game and or FDS, which is also Against the AUP.
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The Final Renegade Cheat is an EXE to, dumbass.
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warranto
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warranto, I just laugh at your replies.
It’s not hard to tell your crimsons lapdog. (here boy, Fetch, Good Dog.)
Oh and its kind of lame when all you can resort to is incorrect spelling of 1 or 2 words. Please get some debating skills.
Renguard is 100% Breaching the Renegade AUP, if Crimson doesn’t have EA's permission then the application is a 3rd party application, not a modification and or skin, its an exe / 3rd party application. The Fact they are using ASM to construct this application also suggests they are reverse engineering the game and or FDS, which is also Against the AUP.
Iris
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First of all, please show me where I corrected the spelling of two of your words...
Second of all, I'm no ones lapdog. If Crimson is wrong to any reasonable extent, I point it out.. when someone else on the forum, no matter who they are, if they are wrong to any reasonable extent, I will correct them if I know the answer. Just because you are the one posting garbage, and I'm correcting you doesn't mean that I'm her lapdog. Though I guess you have nothing intelligent to say about any of my other posts, so I expected you to resort to this.
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Renguard is 100% Breaching the Renegade AUP, if Crimson doesn’t have EA's permission
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I am SO glad you FINALLY brought this up... well guess what? (I'm only going to hint on the answer in the hopes that your at least intelligent enough to figure it out) You just hit the nail on the head (finally). Though this whole could of been avoided had you searched the forum, as this point was brought up before.
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