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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444295 is a reply to message #444293] |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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| grant89uk wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 08:19 |
You play dungeons and dragons. Your opinion of what is fun or not is invalid.
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yes, let's make fun of someone for "liking" (when the fuck did Dover state he liked D&D, anyways?) something, right after we defend ourselves using the logic of "I find it fun, so it's fun".
Really, now- fun is subjective. That's the bottom line.
That being said, C&C3 was significantly worse than Red Alert 2 in every way. C&C4 I haven't even played, but it looks like the same bullshit, only with even less C&C-like gameplay.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444302 is a reply to message #444292] |
Fri, 25 February 2011 13:12 |
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| Creed3020 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:01 |
I read the bio on the new community manager and his C&C experience appears to start with Generals. That is scarily out of touch of what C&C is.
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Very much true!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444307 is a reply to message #444306] |
Fri, 25 February 2011 15:50 |
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| Omar007 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 17:39 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 21:12 |
| Creed3020 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:01 |
I read the bio on the new community manager and his C&C experience appears to start with Generals. That is scarily out of touch of what C&C is.
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Very much true!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444308 is a reply to message #444307] |
Fri, 25 February 2011 15:52 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 15:50]| Omar007 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 17:39 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 21:12 |
| Creed3020 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:01 |
I read the bio on the new community manager and his C&C experience appears to start with Generals. That is scarily out of touch of what C&C is.
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Very much true!
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Indeed.
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And so continues EA's raping of the C&C franchise
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Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444312 is a reply to message #444131] |
Fri, 25 February 2011 16:54 |
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given the enormously varied opinions just on this forum on which C&C games suck and which don't, how can you expect to please everybody?
the only consensus i've ever seen is about C&C4 (i've yet to hear a single favourable opinion about it)
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444331 is a reply to message #444312] |
Sat, 26 February 2011 06:40 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:54 |
given the enormously varied opinions just on this forum on which C&C games suck and which don't, how can you expect to please everybody?
the only consensus i've ever seen is about C&C4 (i've yet to hear a single favourable opinion about it)
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oh yeah, no, I'll be the first to admit it's very hard to please everyone
but you know, they could try to NOT make something that was as absolutely horrible as C&C4 or as extremely over-the-top as RA3 (or even RA2...), and actually give it around 2 years development time.
| liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:00 |
you build a base, you build units out of the base, you kill the other team
it plays like every other c&c game plays and is quite fun; it's instead applying the c&c idea to modern times, like how call of duty made modern warfare
would it make you feel better if they modded it to make little fenced tiberium fields instead of supply piles and the workers scooped it up with shovels for refinement? come on now 
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You have to understand what's being said here- it's not that basing gameplay off of Generals is a terrible idea (actually, aslong as they kept MCV's and a few other minor details which is totally doable, I'm all for them basing the general gameplay flow off of Generals), it's that it's VERY likely he wouldn't understand what makes C&C... C&C. I know that just sounds like the usual nostalgia goggles bullshit that people frequently put up, but would you really say it's a smart idea to hire someone who doesn't know as much about how C&C games were when the community overwhelmingly agrees to SOME degree that there needs to be a return to pre-Generals feeling?
Especially in the Tiberium universe games; C&C95 and TS just had this feeling that EA has UTTERLY failed to recreate. And they'd need someone who's played- and loved- those games extensively to really say they have someone who knows what the old C&C games were like.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444341 is a reply to message #444331] |
Sat, 26 February 2011 10:17 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 26 February 2011 06:40 |
You have to understand what's being said here- it's not that basing gameplay off of Generals is a terrible idea (actually, aslong as they kept MCV's and a few other minor details which is totally doable, I'm all for them basing the general gameplay flow off of Generals), it's that it's VERY likely he wouldn't understand what makes C&C... C&C. I know that just sounds like the usual nostalgia goggles bullshit that people frequently put up, but would you really say it's a smart idea to hire someone who doesn't know as much about how C&C games were when the community overwhelmingly agrees to SOME degree that there needs to be a return to pre-Generals feeling?
Especially in the Tiberium universe games; C&C95 and TS just had this feeling that EA has UTTERLY failed to recreate. And they'd need someone who's played- and loved- those games extensively to really say they have someone who knows what the old C&C games were like.
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Considering RA3 and C&C4 were circle jerking over their own 'nostalgia,' having someone who was involved in a game outside of the two traditional universes is not necessarily a bad thing.
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444342 is a reply to message #444341] |
Sat, 26 February 2011 11:09 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 26 February 2011 10:17 |
Considering RA3 and C&C4 were circle jerking over their own 'nostalgia,' having someone who was involved in a game outside of the two traditional universes is not necessarily a bad thing.
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How? RA3 followed RA2's footsteps I guess, so I can sort of see how you're going with that, but C&C4 definitely didn't...
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444428 is a reply to message #444276] |
Mon, 28 February 2011 01:33 |
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| Goztow wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 08:20 |
They also have a new forum, with a renegade section. It goes beyond me why in earth the two first stickies in that forum are about Renegade X. The third sticky is an outdated "how to register" sticky. No mention of renegadeforums for the moment. *sigh*
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We could go and nag about Renegade bugs on their forums and ask when they'll patch them :+
Then again, if EA barely knows where their own source code is stored, I bet it won't help a single bit 
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444454 is a reply to message #444309] |
Mon, 28 February 2011 15:06 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 18:00 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 14:12 |
| Creed3020 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 16:01 |
I read the bio on the new community manager and his C&C experience appears to start with Generals. That is scarily out of touch of what C&C is.
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Very much true!
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you build a base, you build units out of the base, you kill the other team
it plays like every other c&c game plays and is quite fun; it's instead applying the c&c idea to modern times, like how call of duty made modern warfare
would it make you feel better if they modded it to make little fenced tiberium fields instead of supply piles and the workers scooped it up with shovels for refinement? come on now
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My concern is directed more towards familiarity with storylines, the history of the brand, and just that magical feeling that comes from playing C&C. I agree that most of the basic C&C elements were present. I did buy Generals and play it for some time, but if you check my PC today you won't find it installed anymore along RA1, Tiberian Sun, RA2, and Renegade.
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444657 is a reply to message #444429] |
Sun, 06 March 2011 18:53 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 28 February 2011 01:42 |
I'm not that worried about the fact the comm manager has started with Generals, I'm worried about the fact he probably doesn't know what a tesla trooper may be... That and the fact he's German .
You'd figure a bunch load of hardcore C&C fans, who have been playing for years, would die for a job like this and instead they hire someone with what seems to be relatively little experience on the "first decade" games.
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I read in another interview that he actually played a C&C game when he was 10 years old. He is 23 now; so obviously Generals wasn't his first game; I just hope he played the classic games well enough.
http://www.cncsaga.de/foren/viewtopic.php?id=1945
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BTW EVERYONE, I couldn't resist and bought C&C4 yesterday! I don't want to bash something without trying it; especially since it's a C&C game. I remain optimistic!
Due to time constraints I only was able to play the first 10 mins of the first GDI mission. Good news is the 10 mins didn't feel like a letdown. In RA3, I was letdown in 3 mins. Haven't had time to do much ingame though so my opinions may change after a week or so of playing. The Crawler concept is kinda good; keeps you going all over and your force lean. The direct first person cutscenes aren't that bad. Meh, I will post some more opinions next week on how it goes; I am trying to be as unbiased as possible. 
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damn forgot, my internet connection dropped once and so the game quit on me. I think that is bullxxx. I hope in a year or so, they will disable this internet connection requirement.
Also reading the manual that came with it, there is way too much religious overtones for Nod. Seriously, lol...for example, the Black Hand infantry unit can wield a flamethrower and also throw...ready?...Holy Water bombs!
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444663 is a reply to message #444658] |
Sun, 06 March 2011 21:27 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 19:06 |
You bought C&C4?!
You actually bought it?!?
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444675 is a reply to message #444668] |
Mon, 07 March 2011 07:02 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 22:47 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 19:53 |
I read in another interview that he actually played a C&C game when he was 10 years old. He is 23 now; so obviously Generals wasn't his first game; I just hope he played the classic games well enough.
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he's 23
i'm 23
how the fuck is a 23 year old in charge, i feel retarded and unaccomplished
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I thought the same too! I think he is good for the job. He has made a few candid posts in the C&C forums about C&C4 and the low public opinion of it; I was surprised to hear that from him because one would tend to think that someone in that position would be more guarded about saying such things.
I just think its good to have someone our age rather than some much old guy. Hopefully, he's played the classic games well enough.
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btw, he has said that the next C&C won't be just a game...but a series of games. So EA seems to be working on some background to establish a platform where they can churn out a couple titles. And given how much admission of "mistakes" he writes of, maybe this time it may turn out to be good.
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| Re: Command and Conquer under Victory Games Studios [message #444688 is a reply to message #444675] |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 07 March 2011 06:02 |
| liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 22:47 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 19:53 |
I read in another interview that he actually played a C&C game when he was 10 years old. He is 23 now; so obviously Generals wasn't his first game; I just hope he played the classic games well enough.
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he's 23
i'm 23
how the fuck is a 23 year old in charge, i feel retarded and unaccomplished
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I thought the same too! I think he is good for the job. He has made a few candid posts in the C&C forums about C&C4 and the low public opinion of it; I was surprised to hear that from him because one would tend to think that someone in that position would be more guarded about saying such things.
I just think its good to have someone our age rather than some much old guy. Hopefully, he's played the classic games well enough.
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btw, he has said that the next C&C won't be just a game...but a series of games. So EA seems to be working on some background to establish a platform where they can churn out a couple titles. And given how much admission of "mistakes" he writes of, maybe this time it may turn out to be good.
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Let's stop kidding ourselves, Starbuzz. There hasn't been a good C&C game since RA1. The closest they came was Zero hour, which actually really really good gameplay-wise but people love to hate it since it doesn't have robots, cults, and little green crystals. Whatever new titles won't be able to recapture that old magic that the classic games had.
Personally, I'm waiting for someone to do something Nox-like. That'd really be the only good way to honor Westwood's memory. RA4 (Now with even more battle-bears!) or whatever C&C is coming next is just going to piss on their grave some more.
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