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IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 02:44 Go to next message
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So it turns out we're running terribly low on IPv4 combonations, and the port to IPv6 is on the way. What's going to happen to the Renegade servers?

I presume that the FDS wasn't programmed to compensate for IPv6 connections, and once ISP's port over (mid-late 2012) that's what everyone will be using to connect.

I assume common bots, like Brenbot and NightRegulator (maybe) will probably be ported over to use them, but they just just run alongside the FDS don't they? Are we planning to release Scripts 4.0 with a new server version to compensate for that? What about the older, less popular servers that don't keep up to date?

What do you think about the whole idea?
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443668 is a reply to message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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there is no more ip4 address left http://www.ghananewsagency.org/s_science/r_25155/. Get ready for ipv6 4 million address for every person in the world without subnetting. ipv6 hasn't started to really roll out yet there are some people using ipv6 addresses but not very many.

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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443669 is a reply to message #443668] Tue, 08 February 2011 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah I read about this a few days ago

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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443675 is a reply to message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have known this was coming since the 90's, IPv6 was finalised in 1998, yet more than 12 years later there are very few ISPs supporting it and even less software.

I suspect anything relying on IPv4 connectivity is going to require IPv4 thru IPv6 tunneling in the future, which is the opposite of the IPv6 thru IPv4 we are seeing at the moment.

I wish my damned ISP would hurry up and support IPv6 natively rather than forcing everyone to use tunnelling...



EDIT: Oh, and Caveman, your quote is out of date. The last 5 blocks have already been given out to the RIRs

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/river-of-ipv4-addresses-official ly-runs-dry.ars


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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443676 is a reply to message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Google, Yahoo, Facebook etc will be doing a 24hr test of IPv6 on the 8th of June to route out any major flaws with it. After that, it's up to the ISP's to make the change.
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443681 is a reply to message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suppose Renegade will indeed need IPv6 to IPv4 tunneling, but I guess this problem won't arise for another year to perhaps two years. It's very uncertain how Renegade will survive those years, so I am not YET worried about that.

Anyway, it is possible to make it work without hacking all of Renegade.


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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443688 is a reply to message #443667] Tue, 08 February 2011 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was going to say, I thought you could just tunnel older Ipv4 applications through Ipv6 without the applications needing to know...

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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443689 is a reply to message #443688] Tue, 08 February 2011 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ DP88 I read that a few days ago on hexus news..

But yeah it would now seem out of date Smile


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443710 is a reply to message #443667] Wed, 09 February 2011 00:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, were running out of ip addresses....
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443713 is a reply to message #443710] Wed, 09 February 2011 01:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 07:33

So, were running out of ip addresses....


We have *run out* of IPv4 addresses. All that's left now is the RIRs working inventory which will not last long. Estimates predict that;

APNIC (Asic Pacific) will run out in 3 - 4 months
RIPE (Europe, Middle East, Former Soviet Union) will run out by the end of the year
ARIN (North America) will run out early next year
AfriNIC (Africa) and LACNIC (Latin America & Caribbean) have a few years left based on their current low rate of usage


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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443714 is a reply to message #443713] Wed, 09 February 2011 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 00:44

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 07:33

So, were running out of ip addresses....


We have *run out* of IPv4 addresses. All that's left now is the RIRs working inventory which will not last long. Estimates predict that;

APNIC (Asic Pacific) will run out in 3 - 4 months
RIPE (Europe, Middle East, Former Soviet Union) will run out by the end of the year
ARIN (North America) will run out early next year
AfriNIC (Africa) and LACNIC (Latin America & Caribbean) have a few years left based on their current low rate of usage

crazy, so IPv6 can hold more?
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443715 is a reply to message #443713] Wed, 09 February 2011 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 09:44

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 07:33

So, were running out of ip addresses....


We have *run out* of IPv4 addresses. All that's left now is the RIRs working inventory which will not last long. Estimates predict that;

APNIC (Asic Pacific) will run out in 3 - 4 months
RIPE (Europe, Middle East, Former Soviet Union) will run out by the end of the year
ARIN (North America) will run out early next year
AfriNIC (Africa) and LACNIC (Latin America & Caribbean) have a few years left based on their current low rate of usage

Well, there are no large IP blocks available anymore, but that doesn't mean you can't get a new IP anymore. it means that Now RIPE and such have a supply and once that's done, ISP's will probably have more IP's left unused which they easily can use.

For home users there isn't much of an immediate issue, as a lot of ISP's are not even running full IPv6 stack yet. Even if they would, they would probably use IPv4 on their own nets (so to the end-user) for quite a while as a lot of modems don't support IPv6 yet.


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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443717 is a reply to message #443714] Wed, 09 February 2011 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 09:08

danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 00:44

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 07:33

So, were running out of ip addresses....


We have *run out* of IPv4 addresses. All that's left now is the RIRs working inventory which will not last long. Estimates predict that;

APNIC (Asic Pacific) will run out in 3 - 4 months
RIPE (Europe, Middle East, Former Soviet Union) will run out by the end of the year
ARIN (North America) will run out early next year
AfriNIC (Africa) and LACNIC (Latin America & Caribbean) have a few years left based on their current low rate of usage

crazy, so IPv6 can hold more?


Address limits:

IPv4 = 4,294,967,296 (4.29 billion) unique combonations
IPv6 = 340,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (340 undecillion) unique combonations
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443718 is a reply to message #443715] Wed, 09 February 2011 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 12:18

danpaul88 wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 09:44

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 07:33

So, were running out of ip addresses....


We have *run out* of IPv4 addresses. All that's left now is the RIRs working inventory which will not last long. Estimates predict that;

APNIC (Asic Pacific) will run out in 3 - 4 months
RIPE (Europe, Middle East, Former Soviet Union) will run out by the end of the year
ARIN (North America) will run out early next year
AfriNIC (Africa) and LACNIC (Latin America & Caribbean) have a few years left based on their current low rate of usage

Well, there are no large IP blocks available anymore, but that doesn't mean you can't get a new IP anymore. it means that Now RIPE and such have a supply and once that's done, ISP's will probably have more IP's left unused which they easily can use.

For home users there isn't much of an immediate issue, as a lot of ISP's are not even running full IPv6 stack yet. Even if they would, they would probably use IPv4 on their own nets (so to the end-user) for quite a while as a lot of modems don't support IPv6 yet.


Thats basically what I said, the /8s are all allocated to the RIRs, so all thats left is their working inventory (/16s etc)


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Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443772 is a reply to message #443667] Fri, 11 February 2011 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With NAT, dynamic IP pooling and companies hording millions of unused addresses... IPv4 isn't going away anytime soon.

Not to mention, when IPv6 becomes standard for "new" customers and old customers update their hardware (thus transitioning from IPv4 to IPv6) this will actually free up old IPv4 addresses for reuse.

I don't think we'll ever truly "run out" of IPv4 addresses, we'll just slowly (very very slowly) decide to switch on our own terms as we replace legacy hardware with new stuff.
It will mostly be corporations that take the longest, as always.
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443777 is a reply to message #443667] Sat, 12 February 2011 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, it's also a case of software related issues that make socket connections. Currently (unless the programmer designed IPv6 intergration too) most programs out there will only listen for IPv4 connections (without running tunneling software). This will break things quite drastically if they're not updated.
Re: IPv4 - IPv6 [message #443778 is a reply to message #443772] Sat, 12 February 2011 04:46 Go to previous message
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a000clown wrote on Sat, 12 February 2011 01:23

With NAT, dynamic IP pooling and companies hording millions of unused addresses... IPv4 isn't going away anytime soon.

Not to mention, when IPv6 becomes standard for "new" customers and old customers update their hardware (thus transitioning from IPv4 to IPv6) this will actually free up old IPv4 addresses for reuse.

I don't think we'll ever truly "run out" of IPv4 addresses, we'll just slowly (very very slowly) decide to switch on our own terms as we replace legacy hardware with new stuff.
It will mostly be corporations that take the longest, as always.

You're not thinking about BGP tables. You can't divide the IP's too much, as this would create terribly large "maps" for routers to route the packets through. Because of this it's not exactly easy to move or sell IPv4 addresses.
Besides the amount of IP addresses there are other advantages, like more efficient (large) packets (less overhead) and it doesn't need DHCP, because the protocol creates an IP based on base IP (the public part) and the MAC address of the device.


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