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Im having trouble finding a new video card, im looking for an ati radeon one since my motherboard only supports ati crossfire, im asking you guys to help me find a ati radeon video card that
-not to big (1 pci-e x16 2.0 slot)
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-equal or greater to the current nvidia geforce 9600gt i have
please help me guys. cant find much without a huge fan on it or something, iv found some with a high newer model number lower rice then an older model, its a little confussing
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| Re: ATI [message #436514 is a reply to message #436508] |
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How much are you wanting to spend. Also, I would discourage crossfire, but that's really just personal preference.
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| Re: ATI [message #436528 is a reply to message #436508] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 13:10 |
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If you're willing to wait, the Radeon HD 6000 cards should be coming soon (also rumored to be a brand new architecture). Even if you don't plan on getting one it should cause the prices on older cards to drop.
Also just an fyi; ATI branding is being dropped in favor of AMD, so when the new cards come out they'll be AMD Radeon HD 6000 instead.
As far as recommendations are concerned, that 9600GT should be easy to beat. Radeon HD 4850 is the lowest you want to go, 5000 series is probably preferable for the DX11 support and nikki6ixx's suggestion would work well.
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| Re: ATI [message #436530 is a reply to message #436508] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 14:09 |
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I'm curious though, why do you want a 'single slot' card? Your AsRock board has a lot of space between the PCIe 16x slots so having dual slot cards would be perfectly fine. :/
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| Re: ATI [message #436558 is a reply to message #436508] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 22:04 |
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I have an HD 4780 (512mb, but there's a 1gb version out there) that's pretty powerful but came with woefully inadequate cooling. I've replaced the heatsink and now it's perfect. I'm reasonably sure that's an XFX-only issue though. Anyway, don't get that, unless you like ridiculous looking and mostly-worthless cooling systems. Just so you know what to avoid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436
Honestly, ATI's naming convetions confuse me. Why is my 4780 better than half the 5xxx series cards? At least I know what I'm getting with geforce, more or less. >:[
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| Re: ATI [message #436560 is a reply to message #436558] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 22:52 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 00:04 |
I have an HD 4780 (512mb, but there's a 1gb version out there) that's pretty powerful but came with woefully inadequate cooling. I've replaced the heatsink and now it's perfect. I'm reasonably sure that's an XFX-only issue though. Anyway, don't get that, unless you like ridiculous looking and mostly-worthless cooling systems. Just so you know what to avoid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436
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LOL! I ran a pair of those cards (1GB variants) in Crossfire and they managed to heat half my house. But I never had overheating issues with them.
But they're gone, and I have an nVidia GTX 470. It's super nerdtacular! 8]
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| Re: ATI [message #436561 is a reply to message #436560] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 23:22 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 13 September 2010 22:52 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 00:04 |
I have an HD 4780 (512mb, but there's a 1gb version out there) that's pretty powerful but came with woefully inadequate cooling. I've replaced the heatsink and now it's perfect. I'm reasonably sure that's an XFX-only issue though. Anyway, don't get that, unless you like ridiculous looking and mostly-worthless cooling systems. Just so you know what to avoid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436
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LOL! I ran a pair of those cards (1GB variants) in Crossfire and they managed to heat half my house. But I never had overheating issues with them.
But they're gone, and I have an nVidia GTX 470. It's super nerdtacular! 8]
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It might have been a dust issue or something, but one day the fan decided to spin at like 40 rpm top speed and make this horrible grinding noise, and because of the way it was built I couldn't get it open without breaking something undoubtedly vital, so I said fuck it and got a heatsink four times the size of the card with twin fans. I'll be damned if anything is overheating now. >:[
Still quite warm in my room. I guess there's no cure for that, though.
Edit: And what was with that retarded waterdrop shape? >:[
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| Re: ATI [message #436562 is a reply to message #436558] |
Mon, 13 September 2010 23:57 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 07:04 |
I have an HD 4780 (512mb, but there's a 1gb version out there) that's pretty powerful but came with woefully inadequate cooling. I've replaced the heatsink and now it's perfect. I'm reasonably sure that's an XFX-only issue though. Anyway, don't get that, unless you like ridiculous looking and mostly-worthless cooling systems. Just so you know what to avoid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436
Honestly, ATI's naming convetions confuse me. Why is my 4780 better than half the 5xxx series cards? At least I know what I'm getting with geforce, more or less. >:[
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With the lower-end Geforces you'll at least know you'll get a rebadged GF8800GT.
And the naming conventions are pretty clear actually. Anything below a HD5770 should perform less than your card, the HD5770 should be a bit better, and anything above the HD5770 should be faster.
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| Re: ATI [message #436565 is a reply to message #436562] |
Tue, 14 September 2010 01:00 |
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I'm doing fine with all the new games with my 8800GT, but you want an ATI so I can't help there.
Can a single graphics card actually heat the whole room? Is the room really tiny or something?
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| Re: ATI [message #436567 is a reply to message #436562] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 16:57 |
And the naming conventions are pretty clear actually. Anything below a HD5770 should perform less than your card, the HD5770 should be a bit better, and anything above the HD5770 should be faster.
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you should see a pretty big improvement from a 9600 to a 5770
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Tue, 14 September 2010 01:32 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 01:04 |
Honestly, ATI's naming convetions confuse me. Why is my 4780 better than half the 5xxx series cards? At least I know what I'm getting with geforce, more or less. >:[
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The first number is the series. It increases with new features like DX11 support or architecture changes.
Second number is the targeted market segment. Budget, mainstream, enthusiast... The higher the number the better the performance.
Third number is the variant. You might know it better as GT, PRO, XT or some other suffix.
I have no idea what the last number is for, since I've never seen it *not* be 0.
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| Re: ATI [message #436584 is a reply to message #436508] |
Tue, 14 September 2010 14:41 |
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5670, 5770, 5850, depending on your budget.
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| Re: ATI [message #436606 is a reply to message #436508] |
Tue, 14 September 2010 21:58 |
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nikki6ixx - I have 2 "in take blower fans" (pci slot) in there, under my vid card is getting major over heated
-tested by a computer tech-
also a good card but a little to much for me...
a000clown - ill wait, except how much will they come out to be?
Dover - thats my problem as well, confussing
Boofst0rm - noted =]
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| Re: ATI [message #436614 is a reply to message #436508] |
Tue, 14 September 2010 23:48 |
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Strange that you have two intake PCI fans seeing as the case you own is really good. Anyhow, you know you're setup better than anyone here.
Unfortunately, single-slot cards are no longer common. If that 5770 is too expensive, then there's the 5670:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150467&cm_re=5670-_ -14-150-467-_-Product
This one has a rebate so it can be $79.99 if you fill everything in and mail it off.
But here's the thing: this card is only marginally faster than your 9600GT. You likely won't discern much of a difference. Unless you game at 1280x1024, using a card like the 5670 is only a waste of money because it won't be powerful enough to play anything higher.
The benchmarks here show you how it performs against a 9600GT:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2917/2
If I were you, instead of buying a new single-slot card, I'd correct whatever problem it is that requires you to run those PCI fans so you can then fit a dual-slot card in that space. You can buy ATI 4870's for about 100 bucks if you look around, and 4850's for cheaper yet.
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| Re: ATI [message #436655 is a reply to message #436633] |
Thu, 16 September 2010 11:06 |
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that does look sweet....
so im guessing ati radoen are better then nvidias, i guess im stuck with thsi one untill then..but maybe buy that vga cooling thing
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| Re: ATI [message #436660 is a reply to message #436508] |
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It depends. Both companies make great cards, you just need to choose one that's good for what you're willing to pay. ATI's 4870 1GB probably remains the best all-around deal seeing as you can get a new one for 104 bucks after rebate.
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| Re: ATI [message #436667 is a reply to message #436508] |
Thu, 16 September 2010 16:27 |
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I'd either get a used 4800 series or get a newer one I mentioned before. Personally the 5770 or 5850 would be a good buy. With the pricing scheme as it is now, I would get a GTX 460 for much more performance/dollar ratio than most cards out there.
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| Re: ATI [message #436683 is a reply to message #436508] |
Thu, 16 September 2010 22:40 |
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| Homey wrote on Thu, 16 September 2010 16:27 |
I'd either get a used 4800 series or get a newer one I mentioned before. Personally the 5770 or 5850 would be a good buy. With the pricing scheme as it is now, I would get a GTX 460 for much more performance/dollar ratio than most cards out there.
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how come the pricy cards only have one dvi moniter connection?
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| Re: ATI [message #436702 is a reply to message #436508] |
Fri, 17 September 2010 15:05 |
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DVI is the exact same as HDMI, except it doesn't carry Audio. Most monitors now ship with DVI/VGA/HDMI now, and since so many people hook up their computers to HDTV's, having HDMI with pass through audio is a huge plus. If you want to game on your big screen and you have a built in HDMI port to your video card it's a simple hook up.
A lot of the lower end cards like the 4670/5670/5650 have HDMI to as they are great HTPC cards. It's good to have HDMI instead of VGA in my opinion.
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| Re: ATI [message #436714 is a reply to message #436702] |
Sat, 18 September 2010 10:16 |
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| Homey wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 15:05 |
DVI is the exact same as HDMI, except it doesn't carry Audio. Most monitors now ship with DVI/VGA/HDMI now, and since so many people hook up their computers to HDTV's, having HDMI with pass through audio is a huge plus. If you want to game on your big screen and you have a built in HDMI port to your video card it's a simple hook up.
A lot of the lower end cards like the 4670/5670/5650 have HDMI to as they are great HTPC cards. It's good to have HDMI instead of VGA in my opinion.
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So in other words you still can have two moniters running on one card? since just spent 300 on to 21 inch wide screen flat moniters with vga AND dvi connections and my vid card has two dvi, and i like it the way it is lol
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| Re: ATI [message #436717 is a reply to message #436714] |
Sat, 18 September 2010 11:53 |
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| (SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 13:16 |
| Homey wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 15:05 |
DVI is the exact same as HDMI, except it doesn't carry Audio. Most monitors now ship with DVI/VGA/HDMI now, and since so many people hook up their computers to HDTV's, having HDMI with pass through audio is a huge plus. If you want to game on your big screen and you have a built in HDMI port to your video card it's a simple hook up.
A lot of the lower end cards like the 4670/5670/5650 have HDMI to as they are great HTPC cards. It's good to have HDMI instead of VGA in my opinion.
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So in other words you still can have two moniters running on one card? since just spent 300 on to 21 inch wide screen flat moniters with vga AND dvi connections and my vid card has two dvi, and i like it the way it is lol
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I have 3 monitors running on one card, but the third monitor has to be run via displayport. My card has 1X HDMI, 2X DVI, 1X Display Port. There are lots of cables that are HDMI-DVI, so really it doesn't matter which end is what as long as you have one of those cables, which are very cheap.
P.S. I hope you have the world's best 21" monitor for $300. Nice ones run for about $140 here.
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| Re: ATI [message #436722 is a reply to message #436717] |
Sat, 18 September 2010 13:07 |
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| Homey wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 11:53 |
| (SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 13:16 |
| Homey wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 15:05 |
DVI is the exact same as HDMI, except it doesn't carry Audio. Most monitors now ship with DVI/VGA/HDMI now, and since so many people hook up their computers to HDTV's, having HDMI with pass through audio is a huge plus. If you want to game on your big screen and you have a built in HDMI port to your video card it's a simple hook up.
A lot of the lower end cards like the 4670/5670/5650 have HDMI to as they are great HTPC cards. It's good to have HDMI instead of VGA in my opinion.
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So in other words you still can have two moniters running on one card? since just spent 300 on to 21 inch wide screen flat moniters with vga AND dvi connections and my vid card has two dvi, and i like it the way it is lol
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I have 3 monitors running on one card, but the third monitor has to be run via displayport. My card has 1X HDMI, 2X DVI, 1X Display Port. There are lots of cables that are HDMI-DVI, so really it doesn't matter which end is what as long as you have one of those cables, which are very cheap.
P.S. I hope you have the world's best 21" monitor for $300. Nice ones run for about $140 here.
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no I got two, what happen was I saw an Acer monitor on sale for 109 bucks, form staples (I was trying to find something not to much money but also supports dvi, so I bought two of them, which came out to be like 300, both are 109 x 2 + tax + recycle tax? (ya idk either) = 309
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