| building bar derail - again [message #424670] |
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sadukar09
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What's the point of health bar on the HUD? You can just press a button and get the same thing.
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| Re: RGCT2 - signup [message #424902 is a reply to message #424901] |
Tue, 06 April 2010 04:57  |
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danpaul88
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| SSADMVR wrote on Tue, 06 April 2010 12:48 |
How are building bars that much of an advantage? You can also just press k...
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This is not the topic to discuss this really... but anyway;
Building bars are on the screen all the time, you INSTANTLY see if a building gets damaged, even if you are busy fighting someone.
Pressing K is not something you do every 0.1 seconds and you can't easily do it if your busy fighting against someone, hence your must LESS likely to see that a building is taking damage within 1 second of the enemy setting foot in that building. Therefore, it IS a huge advantage.
And now a moderator will probably move the previous 4 posts (this one included) into a separate thread since this is heading off topic.
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #424913 is a reply to message #424670] |
Tue, 06 April 2010 10:05 |
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R315r4z0r
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The 'advantage' of building bars is barely an advantage at all. It doesn't help you win and it doesn't make the game easier for you.
It's also debatable that the health dropping is noticeable instantly.
The fact is, regardless of how sure anyone is, there is no possible way (i.e. it's impossible) to tell whether or not it is an advantage or not. This is because everyone plays and perceives information differently.
For me, I would not consider using it as an advantage. This is because I barely notice when my own health is flashing red because I'm about to die let alone a building's health bar that is 5x smaller than my own health bar. I'm also willing to bet that even if I did use building bars I would still use K because it is a hard habit to break. In Renegade X, the 'K' menu updates in real time so you don't have to constantly tap the button to refresh it. However I always find myself tapping away at it regardless.
To me, noticing when a building's health bar drops on my HUD would be like driving a car and noticing when the minutes change on the digital clock on the radio. It's not very attention grabbing and it's not a very pressing issue.
However, I don't know how other people use their HUD, so I cannot say for certain that it would not be an advantage for other people.
However, if you want my overall opinion on the matter, then I believe that building bars just aren't an important enough issue to change the game in favor of anyone else. If you think otherwise, then you're just being ignorant. It just isn't a very big deal and therefore doesn't have an effect on the gameplay.
People think that they will totally tarnish and ruin the game's integrity, but they are ill-informed and jumping to conclusions. It's like taking a single grain of sand and tossing it onto a white piece of paper and therefore declaring the paper dirty.
People who are heart set on it being an advantage need to perform an experiment. Play a game of Renegade normally, record your score and whatnot. Then install some building bars and play in similar conditions. Compare your results and see if you really did drastically improve your game. Chances are, you did no better or no worse (within a set margin of human error, of course). I would also be willing to bet that you barely used the information provided by the building bars on your HUD either.
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #424915 is a reply to message #424670] |
Tue, 06 April 2010 10:23 |
Reaver11
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One thing, you are saying you use buildingbars. (asin installed)
Yet you do not use it? (It is in your game but you dont look at it?)
I fail to see logic in that.
Changing the skin of a mammoth tank to pure white wont change any score and wont change a thing ingame yet by most its seen as an advantage. I personally apply this logic likewise to the buildingbars.
(FYI I dont use skins like this or buildingbars,clearscope etc)
Using your logic I can apply this to any 'veh'skin (inf is a different story). Hench I can even apply this to clearscope.
So if I'm right according to you -> Buildingbars, vehicleskins, Clearscope and what not arent advantages?
In my eyes buildingbars is an advantage yet the player can choose to use it yes or no.
Every one can download buildingbars so it's not a 'locked' advantage skin.
So yes it is an adavantage.
Do I care that it is? NO
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #424917 is a reply to message #424670] |
Tue, 06 April 2010 11:22 |
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R315r4z0r
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No, I don't have it installed and I never had had it installed. And no, you're wrong. Not only did you misapplied my "logic," but your own logic doesn't make any sense.
Your application of the word advantage is incorrect. Something can't be an advantage if nothing is gained to aid the user. So people might say a pure white mammoth tank skin is an advantage but it does not make them right. If nothing is gained, then it is merely a change in design. Nothing more, nothing less.
To have an advantage is to cheat. And to cheat, you use resources and information and whatnot that is not available to other players. Since everyone has the information about building health available to them already by default, it is not a question of having more information than anyone else in the game.
You CAN'T say it is an advantage. But you CAN'T say it isn't either. Everyone reads their HUD and perceives the information differently. I don't care what you or anyone else says. There is absolutely no grounds to say that it is an advantage and there is absolutely no grounds to say that it isn't.
The building bars aren't about making the game easier to play. Nor are they there to 'make the HUD look cool' (although some might protest to that). They are there to let you do something that's already possible in the game another way. That is why it is not an argument about whether or not it is an advantage, it's an argument of whether or not it can or can't effect the game's flow, regardless of in who's favor.
Edit: Bolded for emphasis.
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #424943 is a reply to message #424942] |
Tue, 06 April 2010 15:17 |
dr3w2
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 06 April 2010 17:14 |
| andr3w282 wrote on Tue, 06 April 2010 16:06 |
WHAT ABOUT OVERLAY MAP LOLOLOL
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stfu nobody wants race tracks on their screen
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #425006 is a reply to message #424976] |
Wed, 07 April 2010 15:54 |
Sean
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 07 April 2010 08:48 |
Catching cheaters by cheating doesn't make it right.
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Come now Gozy. If you have the ability to see your exact team's location. You wouldn't use that advantage? It's not like I use it ingame, hell its too annoying to have on while im pwning. Only use it to find where people are on my team, as I said good for finding afkz/cheaters.
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #425010 is a reply to message #424670] |
Wed, 07 April 2010 16:10 |
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AFK are dead easy to find.
If you go AFK on the field, you wind up dead 99.999999% of the time. This leads to:
If you go AFK in base, you probably do so inside a building, thus:
Search all building interiors for people not moving, PM them (depending on server policy) and then Qkick if they don't respond.
And I achieved this using... my brain, and a keyboard.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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| Re: building bar derail - again [message #425094 is a reply to message #425030] |
Thu, 08 April 2010 01:44 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 08 April 2010 01:45 |
| CarrierII wrote on Wed, 07 April 2010 19:10 |
AFK are dead easy to find.
If you go AFK on the field, you wind up dead 99.999999% of the time. This leads to:
If you go AFK in base, you probably do so inside a building, thus:
Search all building interiors for people not moving, PM them (depending on server policy) and then Qkick if they don't respond.
And I achieved this using... my brain, and a keyboard.
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You know, it took me I think more than a year to learn how to use the PM system? I always used to reply in a public chat :V
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Any response is fine, they can even move, that's enough to indicate that they're at the keyboard (or their cat is  )
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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