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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4001] Sat, 08 March 2003 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah it was kind of difficult to read, but that's not a reason to misspell barely. Wink

Okay, I admitt, I need the ack checker.


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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4052] Sat, 08 March 2003 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Omg you sick bastard! Sick lying bastard! You don't even have any proof!

Edit: mmm... actually I do play naked. Embarassed But I didn't tell him! Mad


oh, isnt that gonna earn you a whopping 5000 n00b points you f*cking moronic n00b. Wait, n00bs are always moronic.


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is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4065] Sat, 08 March 2003 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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snipefrag

is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


Ditto, if you can't read that post, i feel very sorry that you dropped out of grade 1.


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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4078] Sat, 08 March 2003 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lol, let's all beat up on the illiterate. Smile

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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4083] Sat, 08 March 2003 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dead4ayear2

snipefrag

is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


Ditto, if you can't read that post, i feel very sorry that you dropped out of grade 1.

What is the exact purpous of this thread? Spam. If I sent him that PM, ignoring it would only be the most mature thing to do. But instead he had to make an entire thread out of it and have a spam fest. I wish Crimson would have took the post counter out. Then this thread never would have existed.

+1


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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4086] Sat, 08 March 2003 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?

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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4090] Sat, 08 March 2003 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


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Well obviously I wouldn't be as that clear as I would be awake, but I wouldn't be so messed up with "coffine" (lol...) that I'd send him a pm like that... Very Happy

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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4333] Sun, 09 March 2003 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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snipefrag

is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


Ditto, if you can't read that post, i feel very sorry that you dropped out of grade 1.

What is the exact purpous of this thread? Spam. If I sent him that PM, ignoring it would only be the most mature thing to do. But instead he had to make an entire thread out of it and have a spam fest. I wish Crimson would have took the post counter out. Then this thread never would have existed.

+1


What the hell what i said made perfect sence and if it didnt you must be retarded or suffer from a servere form of dislecsia.


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snipefrag

dead4ayear2

Griever92

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dead4ayear2

snipefrag

is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


Ditto, if you can't read that post, i feel very sorry that you dropped out of grade 1.

What is the exact purpous of this thread? Spam. If I sent him that PM, ignoring it would only be the most mature thing to do. But instead he had to make an entire thread out of it and have a spam fest. I wish Crimson would have took the post counter out. Then this thread never would have existed.

+1


What the hell what i said made perfect sence and if it didnt you must be retarded or suffer from a servere form of dislecsia.


Will you stop with the gigantic quotes already...

We have established that he plays naked and he sent the PM and everbody thinks he is sick now the topic is getting out of hand...

So do not let this turn in to another flame/spam theread plase.

^^^Kirby Boosted my morals with that topic about me Very Happy .^^^^

Oh yeah and be established that certain people have bad grammar.

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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4360] Sun, 09 March 2003 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sk8rRIMuk

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dead4ayear2

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dead4ayear2

snipefrag

is that to looks like dead4ayear2 has a crush on crimson lol, its about time for some lesbian action in renegade J/K Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Did you at all read the post above you?

P.S. damn, I'm one of the few people with decent grammar. I can barly understand that post and theone's.


Oh yes great one, you are one of the few chosen who has decent grammar. GET-REAL . Brush up on your reading/comprehension skills.


Ditto, if you can't read that post, i feel very sorry that you dropped out of grade 1.

What is the exact purpous of this thread? Spam. If I sent him that PM, ignoring it would only be the most mature thing to do. But instead he had to make an entire thread out of it and have a spam fest. I wish Crimson would have took the post counter out. Then this thread never would have existed.

+1


What the hell what i said made perfect sence and if it didnt you must be retarded or suffer from a servere form of dislecsia.


Will you stop with the gigantic quotes already...

We have established that he plays naked and he sent the PM and everbody thinks he is sick now the topic is getting out of hand...

So do not let this turn in to another flame/spam theread plase.

^^^Kirby Boosted my morals with that topic about me Very Happy .^^^^

Oh yeah and be established that certain people have bad grammar.

-Sk8rRIMuk


Ok, He plays naked, he sent the pm, he's sick, it's out of hand, your morals are boosted, and certain people have bad grammar...

Gotcha!

Oh, and you don't like big quotes. Very Happy


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Sir Phoenixx

Ok, He plays naked, he sent the pm, he's sick, it's out of hand, your morals are boosted, and certain people have bad grammar...

Gotcha!

Oh, and you don't like big quotes. Very Happy


Oh yeh and You just happened to add another big quote Mad.

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Sir Phoenixx

Ok, He plays naked, he sent the pm, he's sick, it's out of hand, your morals are boosted, and certain people have bad grammar...

Gotcha!

Oh, and you don't like big quotes. Very Happy


Oh yeh and You just happened to add another big quote Mad.

-Sk8rRIMuk


lol, to much to read?


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another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4436] Sun, 09 March 2003 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Phoenixx

Ok, He plays naked, he sent the pm, he's sick, it's out of hand, your morals are boosted, and certain people have bad grammar...

Gotcha!

Oh, and you don't like big quotes. Very Happy


Oh yeh and You just happened to add another big quote Mad.

-Sk8rRIMuk


lol, to much to read?


Heh... It doesn't take that much to scroll a little... Wink


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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Whats with the sig it's the same as Deafwasps?? or should that be why has DW copied your sig? and your WOL names are very simalar whats going on Question Question Question *smells :inlove: in the air*

Try renhelp for texture blending info if you dont already have it
--> http://modx.renevo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62 <--

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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Whats with the sig it's the same as Deafwasps?? or should that be why has DW copied your sig? and your WOL names are very simalar whats going on Question Question Question *smells :inlove: in the air*

Try renhelp for texture blending info if you dont already have it
--> http://modx.renevo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62 <--

FYI- Click the toggle 'vert colour' button in the vertex paint modifier panel to make your painting visible (this confused my brother for quite a while)

Lol. He posted my signature for further proof I guess. Below mine is his. But thanks for the link! Now maybe I wont get flamed with the flames from hell for haveing a map with one texture in it.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I'm not gay! Unless deafwasp is a girl whichI highly dought.


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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Whats with the sig it's the same as Deafwasps?? or should that be why has DW copied your sig? and your WOL names are very simalar whats going on Question Question Question *smells :inlove: in the air*

Try renhelp for texture blending info if you dont already have it
--> http://modx.renevo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62 <--

FYI- Click the toggle 'vert colour' button in the vertex paint modifier panel to make your painting visible (this confused my brother for quite a while)

Lol. He posted my signature for further proof I guess. Below mine is his. But thanks for the link! Now maybe I wont get flamed with the flames from hell for haveing a map with one texture in it.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I'm not gay! Unless deafwasp is a girl whichI highly dought.


*salutes a fine dedicated mapper (& blows a kiss while no one is looking) for stopping a potental major spam-a-thon thread*

So whats your map like?

....Doesn't explain your WOL name though...... (hmm someone like DW but female :inlove:)

<00 > < 00> <00 > < 00> *looks around* dont tell no one but i make maps at night with just a blanket for warmth *makes for the nearest exit leaving a rose for you as he goes*


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*salutes a fine dedicated mapper (& blows a kiss while no one is looking) for stopping a potental major spam-a-thon thread*

So whats your map like?

....Doesn't explain your WOL name though...... (hmm someone like DW but female :inlove:)

<00 > < 00> <00 > < 00> *looks around* dont tell no one but i make maps at night with just a blanket for warmth *makes for the nearest exit leaving a rose for you as he goes*

How does my name relate to DW? lol, but my map is actually for the paintball mod. Though I was planning on making my own DM match. Just need a plan. I want it to be just like beach but better. Beach is a very fun map but could be better. I'm not saying I'm going to steal his map but I'm going to have my own modeled map. The funnest thing about beach is sniping, my map is going to be targeted towards sniping but also have regualar weapons too. The best thing is that it's going to have more sniper rifle pick ups so you wont get pissed off when your team has taken the one only rifle. Smile


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*salutes a fine dedicated mapper (& blows a kiss while no one is looking) for stopping a potental major spam-a-thon thread*

So whats your map like?

....Doesn't explain your WOL name though...... (hmm someone like DW but female :inlove:)

<00 > < 00> <00 > < 00> *looks around* dont tell no one but i make maps at night with just a blanket for warmth *makes for the nearest exit leaving a rose for you as he goes*

How does my name relate to DW? lol, but my map is actually for the paintball mod. Though I was planning on making my own DM match. Just need a plan. I want it to be just like beach but better. Beach is a very fun map but could be better. I'm not saying I'm going to steal his map but I'm going to have my own modeled map. The funnest thing about beach is sniping, my map is going to be targeted towards sniping but also have regualar weapons too. The best thing is that it's going to have more sniper rifle pick ups so you wont get pissed off when your team has taken the one only rifle. Smile


Er Ahhh EEEEEEK Stop copying each other signatures!!!

I joined this post late and if you scim over DW's first post it looks like he has a simalar WOL name. major confusion!

Map sounds interesting lighting will be the key i think as well as size (Big DM = S**t DM) mail me personally if you need any help diehard18@hotmail.com :inlove:

*leaves still feeling all warm and fussy inside :inlove: *


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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Too much "coffine" isn't good, but it shouldn't screw with your mind to the point where you decide to play Renegade nude.
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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Too much "coffine" isn't good, but it shouldn't screw with your mind to the point where you decide to play Renegade nude.

Lmao. It didn't make me decide to play nude! Razz It made me decide to tell someone I play nude.


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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Too much "coffine" isn't good, but it shouldn't screw with your mind to the point where you decide to play Renegade nude.

Lmao. It didn't make me decide to play nude! Razz It made me decide to tell someone I play nude.


Hush now my darling let us not spread word of our nocternal habits,lol *sings dead4ayear2 the sweetest poem ever :inlove: (that he could dig up from the Renegade Poetry Archives :sigh: )*


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Sir Phoenixx

If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Too much "coffine" isn't good, but it shouldn't screw with your mind to the point where you decide to play Renegade nude.

Lmao. It didn't make me decide to play nude! Razz It made me decide to tell someone I play nude.


Hush now my darling let us not spread word of our nocternal habits,lol *sings dead4ayear2 the sweetest poem ever :inlove: (that he could dig up from the Renegade Poetry Archives :sigh: )*

What is the "inlove" smily for?
dead4ayear2

edit: I'm not gay!


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Don't luagh at me if I'm stupid; I've had very much coffine.
another quality PM from the n00bs. [message #4669] Sun, 09 March 2003 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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If you didn't send him that pm, than why are you making such a big deal out of this?
I did send him that PM. But mind you know how late it was. It says 7 somthin on his clock but my time is GMT-07:00. It was way late, I stayed up all night the night before, had very much coffine, and was going nuts trying to figure out how to get the damn textures to blend. Now try to tell me your mind would be very clearly thinking and aware. :rolleyes:


Too much "coffine" isn't good, but it shouldn't screw with your mind to the point where you decide to play Renegade nude.

Lmao. It didn't make me decide to play nude! Razz It made me decide to tell someone I play nude.


Hush now my darling let us not spread word of our nocternal habits,lol *sings dead4ayear2 the sweetest poem ever :inlove: (that he could dig up from the Renegade Poetry Archives :sigh: )*

What is the "inlove" smily for?
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edit: I'm not gay!



*Halo is in love* :inlove:

I'm not gay either does that couse a problem?


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