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Extremely disturbing...we see a free, moderate and liberal young generation seeking to break out of the rule of the warmongering control freak Islamists still stuck in the stone age.
Just saw the video of of people just getting shot and that woman known as Neda...I frankly cannot bring myself to eat anything after seeing her die like that...I am shocked and horrified.
It's very sad but it seems that the thugs will win this one. The Mousavi dude that ran against Ahmadinejad is, according to garbled reports, is basically under house arrest. Seems the protesters are leaderless now and are choosing to stay in their homes.
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392049 is a reply to message #392029] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 07:13  |
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| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
Foreigners should stay out of inner political matters of another country.
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I didn't realise we were involving ourselves. Khameini and Ahneedajihad tell us (Britain) that we're the great Satan (pushing Israel and the US to silver and bronze, presumably) for trying to interfere, but I fail to see how we actually are. I don't think critical speech really counts.
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
PPL seem to forget that Mousavi is from the same political wing as Ahmadinejad. If he had won the election, probably nothing would have changed anyway.
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This is true; democracy in Iran has always been an illusion. The candidates have to be approved beforehand, for example.
Put simply, the Iranian rulers maintain a feeble pretense of democracy; the Iranian public are starting to realise the illusion and are understandably angry. What baffles me is that this is apparently Britain's fault. I will admit that we have a very fucked-up history in dealing with Iran - nationalising their resources, Operation Ajax etc - but sooner or later that excuse just stops working.
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
But CHANGE came into vogue lately and its always good to focus on other countries problems when your own problems are outgrowing 
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This seems to be very much what the Iranian leadership is doing. I think I can reasonably draw a comparison between the Iranian leadership and Robert Mugabe during the ridiculous, brutal charade that was the last Zimbabwe election. In both cases, the leadership conducted absurd assaults on what little democracy the country had; in both cases, the leadership went to great lengths to label Britain (?) as 'evil' for the fact that Brown, in an uncharacteristic display of honesty, says it's bullshit.
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392088 is a reply to message #392049] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 13:19 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 09:13 |
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
Foreigners should stay out of inner political matters of another country.
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I didn't realise we were involving ourselves. Khameini and Ahneedajihad tell us (Britain) that we're the great Satan (pushing Israel and the US to silver and bronze, presumably) for trying to interfere, but I fail to see how we actually are. I don't think critical speech really counts.
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Yes, you're absolutely right. Its there propaganda against western civilisation that kept/still keeps up their regime. But that does not legitimatise european and us american politicians arrogating re-elections openly and in public.
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 09:13 |
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
PPL seem to forget that Mousavi is from the same political wing as Ahmadinejad. If he had won the election, probably nothing would have changed anyway.
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This is true; democracy in Iran has always been an illusion. The candidates have to be approved beforehand, for example.
Put simply, the Iranian rulers maintain a feeble pretense of democracy; the Iranian public are starting to realise the illusion and are understandably angry. What baffles me is that this is apparently Britain's fault. I will admit that we have a very fucked-up history in dealing with Iran - nationalising their resources, Operation Ajax etc - but sooner or later that excuse just stops working.
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
But CHANGE came into vogue lately and its always good to focus on other countries problems when your own problems are outgrowing
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This seems to be very much what the Iranian leadership is doing. I think I can reasonably draw a comparison between the Iranian leadership and Robert Mugabe during the ridiculous, brutal charade that was the last Zimbabwe election. In both cases, the leadership conducted absurd assaults on what little democracy the country had; in both cases, the leadership went to great lengths to label Britain (?) as 'evil' for the fact that Brown, in an uncharacteristic display of honesty, says it's bullshit.
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We all know how easy it is to manipulate us. that makes us equal with all people world wide. As much as most of us trusted or supported political decisions to handle the economic crisis, we are now susceptible for theories that expose the faultiness of these measures. A couple of well placed public statements concerning Iranian elections to the right press agencies helps to get this previous topics out of the spotlight.
So we don't have to worry about the long term problems we just caused such as the homemade inflation (... funny to see how those who cause this actually benefit from it due to the heavy loans they have...) and support to freedom respiring ppl at the other end of the world instead. In other words a perfect (mis-)use of our empathy. At the end we all hope that it actually does help the Iranian ppl as a little economic cutback over here is not half that important as their freedom 
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392094 is a reply to message #392047] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 14:23 |
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| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 00:15 |
PPL seem to forget that Mousavi is from the same political wing as Ahmadinejad. If he had won the election, probably nothing would have changed anyway.
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Does it matter? The presidency in Iran is nothing like the presidency in the United States. A lot of the powers people assume comes with the position don't. No matter who got elected, things wouldn't have changed (Politically, at least). Barrack Obama himself could have been the new president of Iran, and the change wouldn't have been that dramatic. Iran is a theocratic nation pretending it's a democratic nation.
| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 05:31 |
I wish Americans had more of that fire in them to do the same with my government. I guess people won't realize the dangers of government until it goes too far.
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Lol.
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 07:13 |
I didn't realise we were involving ourselves. Khameini and Ahneedajihad tell us (Britain) that we're the great Satan (pushing Israel and the US to silver and bronze, presumably) for trying to interfere, but I fail to see how we actually are. I don't think critical speech really counts.
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I can't speak for Britain, but there are some in the US government who would love to put on the World Police uniform and interfere. It's times like these that make me extra-thankful we elected the level-headed Obama instead of McCain. If it were the other way around, the cruise missiles would've been flying within the week.
It's likely that they're refering to public opinion in our countries, rather than the actions of our leaders. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone in the US (And in Britain, I assume) that's willing to find a kind word to say about Iran. Especially with the introduction of the internets, every idiot who posts "NUKE IRAN LOLOLOL!!1!" on a forum is representing his country.
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392151 is a reply to message #392029] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 21:26 |
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| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
Extremely pushed by media... every internet geek feels like a reporter posting breaking news in his blog
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I would have to completely disagree with you here in that fact that you make this sound negative? After Iran kicked out all international news reporters the rest of the world would be clueless as to what is going on.
If it wasn't for the internet and sites like youtube, twitter, facebook and the entire socially connected networks then there wouldn't be any free reporting and just pure bullshit and propoganda. I give high fives to all the people in Iran who have the know how and ability to spread out this information even with the goverment making it so difficult.
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392154 is a reply to message #392151] |
Wed, 24 June 2009 21:44 |
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| andr3w282 wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 00:26 |
| Wiener wrote on Wed, 24 June 2009 02:15 |
Extremely pushed by media... every internet geek feels like a reporter posting breaking news in his blog
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I would have to completely disagree with you here in that fact that you make this sound negative? After Iran kicked out all international news reporters the rest of the world would be clueless as to what is going on.
If it wasn't for the internet and sites like youtube, twitter, facebook and the entire socially connected networks then there wouldn't be any free reporting and just pure bullshit and propoganda. I give high fives to all the people in Iran who have the know how and ability to spread out this information even with the goverment making it so difficult.
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Don't forget the people actually spreading the information leaked from Iranian protesters. Without people actually caring, Iranians' voices would be silenced. Now, not only does the Iranian government have to worry about the dissenters within their nation, they have to worry about those of us outside of Iran.
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392650 is a reply to message #392627] |
Sun, 28 June 2009 01:58 |
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| Doitle wrote on Sat, 27 June 2009 20:39 |
This has nothing to do with change or parties or WHO will run the country. It has to do with who was ELECTED. If the people get to vote amongst two identical assholes, and the people pick Asshole 1 yet Asshole 2 gets put into power. That's the problem. They are fighting for the validity of their vote not for any particular person or party. Iran needs to decide what it wants to be. If it just wants to be a Dictatorship or Oligarchy that's A-OK but if they want to claim to be a democracy they need to have an election and it has to have some semblance of credibility.
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Did anyone seriously consider them a democracy, though?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #392793 is a reply to message #392022] |
Sun, 28 June 2009 18:05 |
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Perhaps. It's difficult to say what exactly is going through the minds of Iranians from an outsider's point of view. All I'm saying is personally, I'm not surprised. If this had occured in a true democratic nation like France, the UK, or Germany, I would be surprised. Even in some former-communist nations, I wouldn't be expecting it. But Iran? Who (Aside from the protesters, apparently) was really shocked?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Any thoughts on the Iranian election protests? [message #393122 is a reply to message #392022] |
Tue, 30 June 2009 08:49 |
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Before MJ died, this was being reported as if it was the only thing happening in the world. I honestly believe Ahmedinejad won the election; at least that's what the election and recount numbers are showing (by a good amount also), as well as random polls being conducted in Iran. There are also many very large pro-Ahmedinejad rallies that are not being spoken of. In fact the Iranian electoral watchdog has already considered this case closed: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=99431§ionid=351020101
But before someone says "OMG AHMEDINEJAD FAN! TERRORIST!", I don't support either candidates. I'm not Iranian, and the election doesn't effect my life in any way. Frankly I don't even care enough to visit this thread more than a couple times and read all of the posts. The reality is, the media is blowing things out of proportion, and is causing, at least partially, a rise in the uproar. Does anyone really believe this Mousavi guy is a symbol for change, freedom, and revolution in Iran? Because that's a big joke. Iranian Presidents don't have control over fundemental matters of the Iranian republic - even if he did become president, he'd only manage things on an economical, municipal, and civil level. Taxes, streets, businesses, and laws on a very basic level. The country's real leadership is its Supreme Leader. Does anyone here really think that Mousavi has power to change Iran into a "free republic" and get rid of its conservative laws? Only Khamanei and other Ayatollahs have the power to do that. The president of Iran is merely a figurehead and frontman.
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