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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369412 is a reply to message #368022] |
Thu, 29 January 2009 08:56   |
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Goztow
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Why is it that people have been using advantage skins since the dawn of renegade and no one seems to give a flying fuck about them. When someone makes a hud that gives only a small bit of infomation that is already avaliable, that everyone starts bitching?
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Speak for yourself, on KOSs2 and BI servers the policy that bright skins are banned for as cheats has been in place for a few years now and we have had our share of bans for it.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369439 is a reply to message #369400] |
Thu, 29 January 2009 12:35 |
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R315r4z0r
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| Reaver11 wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 08:07 |
R315r4z0r the one hud you refer to has a slight advantage over pressing K.
The point remains is that if this hud is released what will be the next hud adjustment? And where to stop it then?
No offence but atm you are only looking in the present and not what things can be done in the future after this hud release.
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Like a broken record... only different people keep saying this.
Read my post right before yours. I don't care about the future, I just want what I suggested.
Ever since I suggested that compromise, I have been arguing for that and only that.
I don't care about "what ifs." What if someone takes that information and turns it into a cheat? What if this? What if that? I don't care.
All I'm arguing for is the right for me to be allowed to use what I suggested. Nothing else, only that.
If someone wants to take that release and make it into their own cheat, I don't give a crap. I encourage them to do so.
Why would I do such a thing? Because inconspicuous cheats are fun to play with. What's an inconspicuous cheater? It's a cheater who uses cheats but tries to make a conscious effort to conseal it. (So basically, cheaters who don't have obvious cheats like damage hacks, big head, radar hacks, ect.) They make the game more challenging and fun and I encourage people like that to fight against me.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369492 is a reply to message #369477] |
Thu, 29 January 2009 18:13 |
Caveman
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Star just give up. He is obviously to naive to see whats going on. I already had this same arguement with him. I do infact notice the changing of the mines. But thats me not him so he cannot comment on it. No point on arguing with him because he wont change his opinion which tbh he is entitled to. You dont have to agree with it. Let he go on about how he is so pro and he wants to play against cheats.
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Just to prove my point. When I am playing I view the player list so I can see all the kills and deaths. I memorize the enemies deaths so if the ob charges up and im not in base and the person still hasn't died I know to get back to base. I can assume other players dont take as much notice to that but its each to there own. On a side note I would LOVE for you R31 to argue that I dont notice when someone dies.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369508 is a reply to message #368022] |
Thu, 29 January 2009 21:08 |
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R315r4z0r
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@ Cave:
Holy crap why is everyone being so dense? I honestly don't care what or how you play. The way you play has nothing to do with the way I play. I'm not trying to get you to believe that this HUD is a good thing to use, I don't care if you think one way or the other. What I'm trying to do is prove to you that I don't use it as a cheat. (And judging by your last post, I think it worked)
And I have never said I was better than anyone else, or "pro" as you put it. I think I'm a pretty mediocre/average player, which is one of the reasons why I like playing inconspicuous cheaters. It hones my skills (sort of like a training program kinda thing) and it's simply fun to challenge myself. How does that translate into "LOL I IS BETUR THAN EVURY1 ELS!!!1111?1111! ?"
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369513 is a reply to message #368022] |
Fri, 30 January 2009 00:41 |
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Goztow
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Just like the mine counter isn't in anyway vital to you, your team, or the enemy.
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Made me LOL.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369524 is a reply to message #369508] |
Fri, 30 January 2009 04:29 |
Caveman
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 30 January 2009 04:08 |
@ Cave:
Holy crap why is everyone being so dense? I honestly don't care what or how you play. The way you play has nothing to do with the way I play. I'm not trying to get you to believe that this HUD is a good thing to use, I don't care if you think one way or the other. What I'm trying to do is prove to you that I don't use it as a cheat. (And judging by your last post, I think it worked)
And I have never said I was better than anyone else, or "pro" as you put it. I think I'm a pretty mediocre/average player, which is one of the reasons why I like playing inconspicuous cheaters. It hones my skills (sort of like a training program kinda thing) and it's simply fun to challenge myself. How does that translate into "LOL I IS BETUR THAN EVURY1 ELS!!!1111?1111! ?"
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Exactly, you understand now. Just because YOU dont notice it doesn't mean noone else does. You said it yourself "The way you play has nothing to do with the way I play." So just because your brain (no offensive) doesn't process the mine count doesn't mean it doesn't for others, which automatically gives them a advantage over others. Do you understand that? Yes you must do by now. So this hud IS an advantage hud, maybe not for yourself but for others, yes.
You give off the impression like you're some sort of bloody super player, its the way you're wording things, presenting yourself. I've won against people using *cheat name removed*before because they only use it 1 in every 10 people to make it look legit but you dont see my saying "I encourage people to cheat against me cos I like a challenge, i've won against people using the infamous RGH" Congrats to me, eh? No need to brag about it? Just makes you look big headed and immature. I like a challenge, who doesn't? But I dont go around saying c'mon do your worst like im some sort of awesome player. Which is EXACTLY how you're presenting yourself. Take a look at your posts, read the words and you will see what I mean.
On a side note, I never once said anything about liking a challenge translates into "LOL I IS BETUR THAN EVURY1 ELS!!!1111?1111! ?" Thats just how a child types, you're clearly not a child.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369607 is a reply to message #369524] |
Fri, 30 January 2009 17:32 |
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R315r4z0r
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| Caveman wrote on Fri, 30 January 2009 06:29 |
Exactly, you understand now. Just because YOU dont notice it doesn't mean noone else does. You said it yourself "The way you play has nothing to do with the way I play." So just because your brain (no offensive) doesn't process the mine count doesn't mean it doesn't for others, which automatically gives them a advantage over others. Do you understand that? Yes you must do by now. So this hud IS an advantage hud, maybe not for yourself but for others, yes.
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That's nice and all, but, and I've said this already, ever since I started talking about my compromise idea, I have since HALTED any arguments pertaining to this being/not being a cheat. No one seems to have realize that. I don't care if you think it is a cheat nor do I care if you have used it as a cheat.
I'm arguing for my right to use the thing I mentioned and also to show you how I'm not using the mine counter as a cheat. That's it. I don't care if you think it CAN be used as a cheat, I'm just trying to show you that I'M not using it as a cheat.
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 30 January 2009 06:29 |
You give off the impression like you're some sort of bloody super player, its the way you're wording things, presenting yourself. I've won against people using *cheat name removed*before because they only use it 1 in every 10 people to make it look legit but you dont see my saying "I encourage people to cheat against me cos I like a challenge, i've won against people using the infamous RGH" Congrats to me, eh? No need to brag about it? Just makes you look big headed and immature. I like a challenge, who doesn't? But I dont go around saying c'mon do your worst like im some sort of awesome player. Which is EXACTLY how you're presenting yourself. Take a look at your posts, read the words and you will see what I mean.
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If you read it like that, I'm sorry. But that's not what I was saying. I don't understand how you managed to think that, I was specifically trying to avoid that, but whatever... I guess. It's in the past now.
All I said is that I like to play against cheaters who make it a point to conceal they are cheating, simply because it is fun. How does that translate into me bragging or saying I'm better than anyone else, or "pro?"
The only reason why I even say that I think it's fun to play against them is because if I just said: "I support cheaters," what would be the first thing that comes to mind? Probably, "Well, he's obviously cheating..."
| Caveman wrote on Fri, 30 January 2009 06:29 |
On a side note, I never once said anything about liking a challenge translates into "LOL I IS BETUR THAN EVURY1 ELS!!!1111?1111! ?" Thats just how a child types, you're clearly not a child.
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I paraphrased. Talking like that is commonly paired with being incompetent and n00bish, or, in other words, "pro."
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369628 is a reply to message #369607] |
Fri, 30 January 2009 22:06 |
Caveman
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 31 January 2009 00:32 |
That's nice and all, but, and I've said this already, ever since I started talking about my compromise idea, I have since HALTED any arguments pertaining to this being/not being a cheat. No one seems to have realize that. I don't care if you think it is a cheat nor do I care if you have used it as a cheat.
I'm arguing for my right to use the thing I mentioned and also to show you how I'm not using the mine counter as a cheat. That's it. I don't care if you think it CAN be used as a cheat, I'm just trying to show you that I'M not using it as a cheat.
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Right so the argument about whether its a cheat is now said and done? You have your opinion and we have ours. I understand what you're arguing about but if it was to be made and released it could easily be re-coded into something that will kill the Renegade even more. Seems unfair? Tough, its the same with models for people, RG blocked certain w3d because you could increase the size of the characters body, head, whatever so we all had to suffer, we couldn't replace the model with something else because there was no way for RG to prove it wasn't big head or big body etc.. Its the same here, the code will get released and someone will turn it into something else. Now you might not care about that but I certainly do. So I will keep fighting my corner so you can't have things like building bars, mine count, toggle mode for the building bars or anything else that has the potential to destroy the game even more.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 31 January 2009 00:32 |
If you read it like that, I'm sorry. But that's not what I was saying. I don't understand how you managed to think that, I was specifically trying to avoid that, but whatever... I guess. It's in the past now.
All I said is that I like to play against cheaters who make it a point to conceal they are cheating, simply because it is fun. How does that translate into me bragging or saying I'm better than anyone else, or "pro?"
The only reason why I even say that I think it's fun to play against them is because if I just said: "I support cheaters," what would be the first thing that comes to mind? Probably, "Well, he's obviously cheating..."
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As I said, its the way you came across. It can be easily misunderstood. If I see a cheater ingame and the mods don't do anything about it I leave, I don't think its fun to play against cheaters at all no matter how much I may like a challenge. I like a challenge just as much as the next person but I like it to be a fair challenge not something that's one sided because they have things aiding them.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 31 January 2009 00:32 |
I paraphrased. Talking like that is commonly paired with being incompetent and n00bish, or, in other words, "pro."
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Yes talking like that generally means that you're an immature child that obviously has problems communicating with people. I don't class them as "pro" they might class themselves as "pr0". I dont see "pro" racing drivers or "pro" coders or "pro" whatever talking/typing like that. It would seem that you have the wrong end of the stick.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369631 is a reply to message #369629] |
Fri, 30 January 2009 22:39 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 31 January 2009 00:14 |
Where's Sir_Kane when you need him?
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Probably too busy not giving a shit about this thread.
yeah
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369710 is a reply to message #369675] |
Sat, 31 January 2009 10:41 |
Caveman
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So just because one gets paid for being a professional <insert whatever here> that means that for people who dont get paid aren't pros?
There are a lot of pro renegaders here and just because they dont get paid for doing something they love doesn't make them not a professional at the game. There is a lot of difference between a pro (professional) gamer and a gamer who gives themselves the title of pr0 (i lik3 b3st playa, im s0 pr0 at dis game)
You was acting/presenting (whichever words fits in the best for you) like you were a pro at this game because you like playing against cheaters cos it gives you a challenge. I don't know whether you're a pro at this game and to be frank I don't really care but from where I am sitting you came across arrogant, you might not think that and you can argue with me about what your intentions were but its my opinion which I am entitled too, no? You don't have to agree with it, shit, you don't even have to acknowledge it. For all I care you can woffle on about how you was just trying to say blah blah blah.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369733 is a reply to message #368022] |
Sat, 31 January 2009 12:24 |
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R315r4z0r
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Professional means you do something as an official job or profession.
You don't have to be "good" at something to be a professional. You just need to do it officially.
Examples:
-People who work at EA are professional game developers.
-You can be better at a sport than some professional players, but that doesn't make you professional.
Edit: I thought we got past that already? I'm just defining the word professional. What I said before when you thought I was calling myself "pr0" was explained 2 posts ago.
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| Re: Hud with building bars [message #369786 is a reply to message #368022] |
Sat, 31 January 2009 18:20 |
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Altzan
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I looked up the word, and it has a lot of definitions. It can mean both of what you guys said.
There isn't much left to argue; whether it is a cheat or not isn't debatable because the admins say it is, and will ban anyone releasing it.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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