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| Ladder System Update [message #36029] |
Sun, 03 August 2003 20:49   |
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Crimson
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Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Ok if you don't want me to be so negative then prove me wrong crimson. Tell us what you guys are coming out with and when so we know what to expect. This isn't some little game where u guys keep your secrets from everyone. If something is going to come out that is going to change renegade and you know about it why are you keeping it a secret. Why don't you just tell us so we can plan what were going to do and wether or not its worth it. At least tell us if you know why the ladder is down and when its going to come back up. To be perfectly honest thats the only reason I'm upset. Is because you people know this stuff and you arn't saying anyting. Your keeping it a secret like its a game. If you cant tell us what is coming out you should at least be able to tell us why the ladder isn't working and when its going to be back up. That alone should fall under normal support for this game. Email EA and get no information back, no explaination, you don't even get an email back. It's hard to argue for this game when there is no support for it, and when the support you can provide you don't because you keep it a secret.
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EA legal doesn't want the details released just yet. Once we can tell you something, we will.
I'm the bawss.
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| Ladder System Update [message #36042] |
Sun, 03 August 2003 21:06 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7427
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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possibly... I don't want to lie.
I'm the bawss.
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| Ladder System Update [message #36060] |
Sun, 03 August 2003 22:17 |
FRAMER428
Messages: 32
Registered: March 2003
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hes a clan player, he likes his ladder due to clanwars.cc as do i, i guess if ladder dont get fixed i need to find more free copies of ps
NO MORE PAW PWNAGE!
DOA AND ER ALL THE WAY
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| Ladder System Update [message #39565] |
Fri, 15 August 2003 02:53 |
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Walrus
Messages: 382
Registered: February 2003
Location: Good old England
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I can understand why some people - in my opinion mainly fuckwitts - who care about the ladder and would like to see it reinstated.
I doubt it will happen though.
As for ren being dieing off, the only way to be sure is to get a head count of all the players who are still active, it shouldn’t be too hard to get an accurate picture of the health of this some what beleaguered community.
Moaning about the time it takes for change to occur or flaming and being discourteous to people who worry (,well worry is such a weak word, I would rather say bitch,) about what will and may not happen. This does not help and is rarely constructive.
All we can do is hope that those who lead this community know what they are doing.
I’m off down to pub for a pint.
One Last Time
"England expects that every man will do his duty"
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| Ladder System Update [message #39786] |
Fri, 15 August 2003 23:59 |
olddust
Messages: 45
Registered: July 2003
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I can understand why some people - in my opinion mainly fuckwitts - who care about the ladder and would like to see it reinstated.
I doubt it will happen though.
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Well for me atleast, the ladder did alot of things. For those of you who just go looking for a game and don't care the outcome or whatever, the ladder means nothing to you.
I've been playing C&C games for about 5 years now and the ladder kept things competetive. It made players want to win. What fun is it to win a game when theres no record kept of it. Thats why I bought this and previous C&C games in the first place. They had something that kept things competetive.
You should see how big of a hit this took on the clans. I've only been clanning for about a month, but I could remember getting on and seeing 5-10 people on either playing or setting up a game. Now I log on and see maybe 1 person, half the time that person is AFK. Its totally killed the clan part of this game.
I've already noticed a great drop in players in the bigger games. Sure only ladder whores play in those games but its a hell of a lot more fun then sitting in a 20 player server where the games over in 10 minutes on rush maps because people can't defend.
Its not another game thats going to end up killing Renegade. Its going to be the lack of competetion thats going to drive everyone away.
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| Ladder System Update [message #39874] |
Sat, 16 August 2003 10:02 |
Bearxor
Messages: 137
Registered: February 2003
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I'll throw something in here on the subject of Renegade dieing. You see, in order for something to die, it had to actually really live to begin with. I mean, it's not like Renegade was a smash hit. At this pont, there is just a core group of fans that will play this game until the day comes when we can just no longer actually play it online. Renegade will not 'die' because there will always be the same core group here fighting for it.
EDIT: that didn't come out as eloquently as I thought that it was...
signatures suck
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| Ladder System Update [message #40017] |
Sat, 16 August 2003 17:40 |
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Griever92
Messages: 593
Registered: February 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Okay, then go play Unreal 2003... Like everyone said would kill Renegade.
Wait, no, that was Soldier of Fortune 2.
Wait, no, that was Planetside.
Wait, no, that was Generals.
Wait, no that was... :rolleyes:
It's still here. If you don't want to play, get the fuck out.
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Alex "Griever92" Bracken
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| Ladder System Update [message #40233] |
Sun, 17 August 2003 18:33 |
The Gurm
Messages: 8
Registered: August 2003
Location: Indiana, USA
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Jesus fucking christ on a pole, when will you ladder-haters fuck off and die already? If you don't like it, ignore it. But the lack of one sure as hell isn't going to improve the game any. It added competition, as olddust said, and that is what I love. Pointwhores, love 'em or hate 'em, are *generally* (SEE THAT WORD?) the better players, as I see it. Even it was always fixed, you will probably never see me as #1 in the game, simply because I don't have the time to donate to it (or don't care enough to put forth the time) to achieve such status. It IS nice to attempt to work for a top 50, or higher rank. Competition is what many gamers love, and as olddust also said, that is what will kill this game, rather the lack of it. I still play, and probably will for who knows how long, but I know a lot of players who HAVE left since the ladder went down. And from what I have heard, many have gone to Planetside. The number of GOOD players have dropped dramatically since the ladder went down.
As for the people who continue with the "wait and ye shall recieve" bullshit, give me a break. A good strategy is suspense, but unfortunately this will only take you so far before the general public stops caring. To prolong the time before said line is reached, one would give updates, no matter how miniscule, to keep interest peaked. However, on a message board that not everybody who plays Renegade attends, with talk from people who have no public connection with the official company, the line is quite subjective and should be treaded on lightly.
As far as I'm concerned, and until I see any definite proof, any and all who talk like they know more than the common gamer are full of shit. I DO NOT mean this as an insult, but as a personal opinion(albeit a harsh one) which has just been made public. One can continue to talk about the update until it comes, and say "I told you so", or until the game all but dies and nobody can call them on it. It appears to be a win/win situation.
Perhaps I'm a bit late on this particular topic, but I've been lurking a while, and have got just a *tad* sick of people who claim to know more than the common gamer, but conveniently can not share any information as proof.
If you are willing to, or even can, answer me these questions:
1. Do you work for EA?
A. If not, do you know somebody who works for EA?
a. If so, what is his/her name? (Revealing your friends IS NOT breaking any kind of moral code. I did not ask if said person leaks information to you)
B. If so, what is your name?
a. What is your job at EA?
People who think they know everything are an annnoyance to those of us who do.
WOL: TheGurm
Clan: TBYT
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| Ladder System Update [message #40247] |
Sun, 17 August 2003 19:06 |
olddust
Messages: 45
Registered: July 2003
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Hmm, well said TheGurm. Tuesday looks like the deadline for a fair amount of players. Something doesn't happen soon I will probably be looking into something else to play. The lack of support EA has given this game with the lack of information Crimson is giving us has combined into a bunch of bullshit.
Crimson, you want people to continue to play this game you better start supplying some type of information. How can it be such a secret of when the ladder will be fixed IF it is going to get fixed? The word I've heard was that it would be fixed in 2 weeks, and Monday that 2 weeks will have expired. So lets see whats really going to happen, eh?
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| Ladder System Update [message #40331] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 07:46 |
Homey
Messages: 1084
Registered: February 2003
Location: Canada
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It went down after ws was down ( for some people ) a month ago.
Homey
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| It is just a lack of respect for thos that purchase [message #40378] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 11:17 |
VicerBorg
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Canada
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What would have shown, by EA, that they cared about the users who buy the product would have been for them to have made a post. They should reply to the posts and they should keep the players informed.
Despite all of you who say that Ren is nothing, well there were 50,000 users names so hmm do the math. 50,000 by $60.00 is a big chunk of cash.
Even EA should have enough brains not to tick off 50,000 people.
The point is they should have informed the community the ladder system was going down, they should inform the community when it will be back or what exactly their plans are with it.
Some suit way up there that does not play games and only has love for the boats and cars we the players bought for him made a decision. Someone with half a peanut in thier head at EA should be smart enough to not let their buying public sit in limbo. It does nothing but make me shop elsewhere for product.
Not all things seen are real, not all things real can be seen.
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| Ladder System Update [message #40380] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 11:39 |
The Gurm
Messages: 8
Registered: August 2003
Location: Indiana, USA
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50,000 people buying a game is nothing.
People who think they know everything are an annnoyance to those of us who do.
WOL: TheGurm
Clan: TBYT
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| Ladder System Update [message #40431] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 16:55 |
x50c3nt
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Registered: August 2003
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Patch and Olddust are right. The ladder is what keeps this game going. ACK your saying ppl will still play? Nobodys gonna play this game just to earn wins without the record being kept. When ladder was up, there would be 3 or 4 clans in chats looking for a clanner. Now theres nothing - all cuz ladders down. Crimson holding back information is nonsense. Thats as if ignoring part of the "renengade community". Halo for PC and Savage might be the death of renegade, right now i kno of bout 2 major clans going to savage and another going to Halo. Mind you, these are about the only 3 major clans even still in renegade, all waiting to know whats up with the ladder. But as olddust stated, this wont be enough to keep us all here. ACK your right tho, ppl have said that certain games will kill renegade, and none did. But theres a difference between then and now - there was a ladder system up then, but now theres nothing. If Halo or Savage have a proper ladder system dont think most clans will stay around to play a game without any. And this, cant tell anything yet, honestly i doubt whether Crims has any intell at all.
Proud _FC_ Member
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| Ladder System Update [message #40441] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 17:37 |
olddust
Messages: 45
Registered: July 2003
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Alright, well has now been two weeks since the email I got that said the ladder would be up. Today was supposed to be the day, but nothing has changed. I, myself, will probably give EA until September 2nd for my own reasons, most people are leaving as we speak. -LT- has totally fallen apart, the other top ranked and most active clans are also falling apart rapidly. When I do leave, if I do leave for the lack of a ladder system, I wouldn't mind having something I would consider fun and the rest of you would consider a nightmare, if you get my drift. 
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| Ladder System Update [message #40457] |
Mon, 18 August 2003 19:02 |
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npsmith82
Messages: 525
Registered: February 2003
Location: England, UK
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To be honest, i couldn't give less of a shit if there was a functional ladder in Renegade.
Personally, i play online simply for the *boinks* and *booms* of battling.
Every background statistic that happens outside of gameplay, really doesn't bother me.
The only stats i look forward to are the end game results table if your team wins.
However, i can completely understand that the clan peeps would be a little concerned on this issue. To which i can give you some advice - if you really enjoy renegade, don't leave just because of some ladder downtime.
The game is worth more, much more.
WOL: npsmith82
For RenAutoComplete, RenSkirmish, RenBuddyList and RenWOLstatus please visit (IE) TheCodeSmith.com
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