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Detecting SBH [message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 06:45

Prulez
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Commander

I don't think this has been asked before, searched for SBH in this forum and didn't come up with this bug. If it has been asked about, my bad, my apologies.

For the ones not knowing this bug, here's a video demonstrating it: Click here

Basically, when you're gdi and have a targetbox in your screen, and you then (accidentally) go with your recticle over an SBH, the targetbox disappears. This allows you to spot SBH's pretty easy if you know how.

Could/Should this bug be fixed? Dont Get It

Dont Get It

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357310 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 07:01

ErroR
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never saw it before, or didn't know it Very Happy

Very Happy

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357313 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 07:16

candy
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fairly easy to do on under or field (maps with a big field and a harvy in the middle of it) if u try to spot stank rushes

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357330 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 09:31

Hitman
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Colonel

nice one posting this out in public... i thought my sbh was found to quickly anyways with all those cheats around, nice now people that dont even cheat can pull a nerd on me to

makes me want to play ren

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357332 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 09:49

gkl21
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I thought I seen this issue in the 'fix list'/changelog... Been around for a long time Wink

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357336 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 10:02

Genesis2001
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I've known about this for a while. We had an issue with a guy over on St0rm's Server where he claimed to use this method of finding SBH's. We proved it to be true, and thus we have to be extra careful about banning for sbh reveal lol. Sad

Sad

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357341 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 10:40

GEORGE ZIMMER
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Clearly, Westwood intended this.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357353 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 11:47

Ghostshaw
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Colonel

It wasn't intended, but then again it sort of was and this means its hard to fix. Currently it just looks for physical obstacles between you and the thing hilighted regardless of wether they are visible or not. We would have to make some sort of workaround to get it too work (cause you don't really want lockon through the glass on Islands for example).

I don't think we should consider this a high priority fix(as its still not very pratical). Sort of something someone might look into after hes out of things to do.

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[Updated on: Wed, 05 November 2008 11:48]

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357357 is a reply to message #357353]

Wed, 05 November 2008 12:05

Jerad2142
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Ghostshaw wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 11:47

It wasn't intended, but then again it sort of was and this means its hard to fix. Currently it just looks for physical obstacles between you and the thing hilighted regardless of wether they are visible or not. We would have to make some sort of workaround to get it too work (cause you don't really want lockon through the glass on Islands for example).

I don't think we should consider this a high priority fix(as its still not very pratical). Sort of something someone might look into after hes out of things to do.

Just shorten the time units stay selected, it would make this "issue" harder to come across, it would also reduce how long you could watch where people were moving on the other side of a wall.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357360 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 12:10

Genesis2001
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I agree with GhostShaw. It's not very practical to use. :\

It takes time to perform right...So, it's not a high priority bug to fix as only a few know how to use it...effectively

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357377 is a reply to message #357308]

Wed, 05 November 2008 12:50

GEORGE ZIMMER
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I was kidding, but, yeah, I'd figure it'd require some time to be reworked. Still, it'd be nice if it would eventually be fixed.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357381 is a reply to message #357357]

Wed, 05 November 2008 13:21

Caveman
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Jerad Gray wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 19:05

Ghostshaw wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 11:47

It wasn't intended, but then again it sort of was and this means its hard to fix. Currently it just looks for physical obstacles between you and the thing hilighted regardless of wether they are visible or not. We would have to make some sort of workaround to get it too work (cause you don't really want lockon through the glass on Islands for example).

I don't think we should consider this a high priority fix(as its still not very pratical). Sort of something someone might look into after hes out of things to do.

Just shorten the time units stay selected, it would make this "issue" harder to come across, it would also reduce how long you could watch where people were moving on the other side of a wall.

Yeah lets not do that... Why should everyone suffer?

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357492 is a reply to message #357308]

Thu, 06 November 2008 02:36

ErroR
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I think "It's one more thing that balances the game" even if it's a bug sbh are already a pain in the ass and gdi has nothing to counter them..

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357539 is a reply to message #357381]

Thu, 06 November 2008 08:51

Jerad2142
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Caveman wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 13:21

Jerad Gray wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 19:05

Ghostshaw wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 11:47

It wasn't intended, but then again it sort of was and this means its hard to fix. Currently it just looks for physical obstacles between you and the thing hilighted regardless of wether they are visible or not. We would have to make some sort of workaround to get it too work (cause you don't really want lockon through the glass on Islands for example).

I don't think we should consider this a high priority fix(as its still not very pratical). Sort of something someone might look into after hes out of things to do.

Just shorten the time units stay selected, it would make this "issue" harder to come across, it would also reduce how long you could watch where people were moving on the other side of a wall.

Yeah lets not do that... Why should everyone suffer?

I don't see how making it so you can't follow where people are moving on the other side of the wall makes everyone suffer, if anything it just reduces the chances of that one person hopping out from behind the wall and n00bjetting you.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357549 is a reply to message #357539]

Thu, 06 November 2008 10:00

Caveman
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Yeah and it also help with tanking.. When they're retreating back to base to repair you can work out when to fire as they come out of the base. Why should I not have that ability just because it can be abused with SBHs.

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357556 is a reply to message #357308]

Thu, 06 November 2008 11:10

nope.avi
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Colonel

Also target boxes are usually the only thing to fire at with tanks when you can't see through the explosions.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357569 is a reply to message #357308]

Thu, 06 November 2008 13:24

DrasticDR
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Commander

removing the target box will screw up the game for me. i find it a lot harder to hit someone who is standing infront of a building or tank because the target box keeps switching.

im hoping the target box will be included in renegade x otherwise i probably wont play it.

[Updated on: Thu, 06 November 2008 13:25]

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357597 is a reply to message #357308]

Thu, 06 November 2008 17:25

Xpert
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Prulez wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 08:45

I don't think this has been asked before, searched for SBH in this forum and didn't come up with this bug. If it has been asked about, my bad, my apologies.

For the ones not knowing this bug, here's a video demonstrating it: Click here

Basically, when you're gdi and have a targetbox in your screen, and you then (accidentally) go with your recticle over an SBH, the targetbox disappears. This allows you to spot SBH's pretty easy if you know how.

Could/Should this bug be fixed? Dont Get It

Dont Get It

That's how I use to spot SBH back when LTROUSH CTF was up. Now I'm exposed ;x

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357664 is a reply to message #357597]

Fri, 07 November 2008 09:40

Starbuzzz
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Don't mess with the target boxes.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357670 is a reply to message #357308]

Fri, 07 November 2008 10:41

Jamie or NuneGa
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Colonel

this bug rarely affects gameplay. and is also very rarely exploited. Unless the stank is staying still which it should never do it will have moved by the time a tank shot reaches it.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357677 is a reply to message #357664]

Fri, 07 November 2008 11:44

ErroR
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pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 07 November 2008 18:40

Don't mess with the target boxes.

"We don't rebalance and change the game" altho agt uses the target box to shoot you nad expose ur possition threw wall Sneaky

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357701 is a reply to message #357308]

Fri, 07 November 2008 17:07

StealthEye
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We won't touch the target box. If anything we'll make it ignore stealth vehicles, but as said that's probably not easy and it will not be a high priority bug to fix.

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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357719 is a reply to message #357308]

Sat, 08 November 2008 01:50

jonwil
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Actually, we DO intend to change the target box. We intend to fix some issues where the target text scales but the target box does not properly scale. And possibly also some issues with the reticle not scaling properly in widescreen resolutions. (i.e. being stretched horizontally)

Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
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Re: Detecting SBH [message #357720 is a reply to message #357719]

Sat, 08 November 2008 01:53

Starbuzzz
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jonwil wrote on Sat, 08 November 2008 02:50

Actually, we DO intend to change the target box. We intend to fix some issues where the target text scales but the target box does not properly scale. And possibly also some issues with the reticle not scaling properly in widescreen resolutions. (i.e. being stretched horizontally)

I think I am OK with that just so as long as the target box time limit is not altered. Thanks for clarifying it for us.

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