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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346334 is a reply to message #346314] |
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Heh, I'm surprised you're the first one to bring that idea up.  I actually think it's a good one though along with the one-sided-PT fix (btw, can you walk up to the side of a PT and use it?).
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346337 is a reply to message #346299] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 05:30 |
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| Chuck Norris wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 00:40 |
| Nune wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 12:36 |
Thats utter bullshit, 2v2 cw, ur agt goes down so now you need someone to camp, there best camping vehicle on field vs infantry is the apc, nod will use the loss of base defences to their advantage and thus probably use a sbh nuke, especially if they have already killed weapons factory. If you both move out with no agt a tech will kill a building, if you camp and they are having trouble killing a further building they may ensue the sbh tactic. On field the gdi ref is very easy to kill and thus if this has happened you won't want to waste money on a mobius when you can camp with a much cheaper apc + hotty, also you can use the hotty for mining so you have a better chance of survival.
Without using the outside pt behind barracks a half decent sbh will kill your hotty and with no refill you will only have 2 remotes, if he gets close to you you cannot remote him as now he has hit you down to 150 hp whilst you are running down the narrow area behind barracks where you cannot dodge well, if you do remote you may kill him whilst killing yourself and then it comes down to luck as to whether you get that perfect front of barracks spawn.
+ what about maps like canyon where the gdi harvester is much slower than the nod harvester.
If outside pts are taken eventually someone will make a rule :
'No sbh nukes in certain spots...' - which is just dumb, but only way to balance games in certain situations.
p.s you roll out with a mammouth on field with me having an arty @ my base entrance, lets see how far you get.
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All of this is based on 2v2 games? Not to degrade clan wars, but I think Renegade was made with more than that in mind. I look at about 5v5 as the base minimum.
Secondly, all of what you just wrote basically equated to "they were beating me so I should have this exploit to stop it". That's the only thing that's bullcrap here. I think the way the game was intended is pretty balanced, but some of this crap like outside PT access and points errors, though they may be small themselves, alter gameplay too much from what it's supposed to be. Yes, it will alter gameplay, but the gameplay we have as a result of this is NOT the gameplay that is INTENDED, so that's a moot point.
As for the Mammoth versus an Artillery, what does that have to do with anything? I was simply saying if it's two versus one, and you two can't find a way to overcome that one, then you deserve to lose. I was using the Mammoth Tanks as as example, and a teched Mammoth will beat that Artillery, because remember it's 2v1 if the other Nod person is a SBH (why would they be a SBH in a clan war on a map with base defenses, and if defenses are down, then you're losing anyway...).
Oh, and by the way, I also use this at times, but that does not mean I don't want it fixed.
BTW, I don't think saying "omg you are retarded" or acting elitist to everyone who disagrees with your opinion is going to further your argument any (this is to blly, not you Nune).
Back to square one, and this goes for all bugs, not just this one being discussed here, a bug is a bug and should be fixed, regardless of how it's changed the game up until now. Hearing jonwill say what he did gave me faith in what Tiberium Technologies is going for, so I hope that is backed up. How it is SUPPOSED to work is how it was INTENDED to be by Westwood, and I think we should do our best to have it that way. Just because a few of these bugs have gotten some of us liking the exploit and making gameplay changes around them is NOT a reason for keeping them. We'll have to get used to doing without if they are corrected. People will complain. Tough shit for a while, but you'll get over it, and it will be as it was intended, and I dare say better as well (I think the coders who made the game knew what was best).
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sorry bro but u might get a 5v5 in this dead game once in a million years so stfu already
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346350 is a reply to message #346314] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 06:51 |
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blly, nunega, what's all this crap about the PT-through-walls-fix making clan games unfair? sorry, what? I see you condescendingly act as though you're some masters of how clanwars work, but it sure doesn't seem that way.
nobody uses nukes in clanwars anyway precisely because they're underpowered; they're too expensive considering the likelihood they will be disarmed, which is high.
they're used perhaps one game in 100, and more often fail than succeed.
if anything, making PTs unaccessible through walls will mean there's a damn point buying an SBH nuke in a clanwar - there currently is not.
as for the flame tank, sorry but you don't need to right click to rape infantry with a flamer. I've always found it damn easy to kill infantry with the flamer jets if I can get close, long before I knew about the right-click thing.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346351 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 06:52 |
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Exactly, even with a teched mammy rolling towards my base on field, with me having a arty ur tech will die from splash resonably quick and then it will be 1v1.
You argue that if they have killed ur agt then they deserve the win, however when I play against players that I admit are just better than me then I will try to get lucky and succeed at agt walk in order to even the odds. By pulling off this technique I have managed to beat players who are far superior to me in skill.
Outside pts is a glitch that effects renegade in a positive way.
In regards to adding pts to the outside of buildings... dam thats gonna look ugly on the barracks.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346357 is a reply to message #346350] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 07:12 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 08:51 |
blly, nunega, what's all this crap about the PT-through-walls-fix making clan games unfair? sorry, what? I see you condescendingly act as though you're some masters of how clanwars work, but it sure doesn't seem that way.
nobody uses nukes in clanwars anyway precisely because they're underpowered; they're too expensive considering the likelihood they will be disarmed, which is high.
they're used perhaps one game in 100, and more often fail than succeed.
if anything, making PTs unaccessible through walls will mean there's a damn point buying an SBH nuke in a clanwar - there currently is not.
as for the flame tank, sorry but you don't need to right click to rape infantry with a flamer. I've always found it damn easy to kill infantry with the flamer jets if I can get close, long before I knew about the right-click thing.
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sbh nukes are used in more games than that, but its ok i know you are exaggerating to try and proove a point. if you're talking about sbh nukes then you're just wrong, if you're talking about nukes in general, then you're completely wrong. im not gonna bother explaining the normal nuke part, but sbh nukes are kinda a good buy.
islands, we somehow lose wf and strip, and all vehicles. gdi will try to rush thru the tunnels, cos thats how they roll. gdi also will have a hottie camping. nod gets a sak sbhnuke sak camps till sbh is in base, sbh nukes side bar, sak moves up and its gg.
i also wasnt trying to sound as though i speak for the cw community (ignoring the lack-of-skill shot) i play clanwars though, which you cant vouch for, so i would say that i do have some mastery of clanwar tactics, even though i dont do em all that well.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346365 is a reply to message #346357] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 07:44 |
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| blly wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 16:12 |
islands, we somehow lose wf and strip, and all vehicles.
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BINGO!
it only happens when all other options are exhausted. that's how underpowered they are. when you've got a choice between a tank or an SBH nuke, nobody ever gets the SBH nuke and ends up winning because of it.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346368 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 08:13 |
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and you're trying to say that since people cant switch out that they will use nukes more often? nukes dont work because usually there are 2 people there, 1 with a hottie 1 with a vehicle/hottie, thats why they dont work. im fine with the pt on the outside though but it will be REALLY UGLY. maybe make them building coloured?
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346370 is a reply to message #346030] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 08:30 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 05:17 |
| jonwil wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 19:16 |
If something can be identified as a bug in renegade, I for one intend to do everything I can to get it fixed, even if its not necessarily all that big.
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that's fine, but does that mean i am forced to play with your changes? it's like you've made the decision for me with me having no say in it, and that doesn't seem fair at all
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noone forces you to install the patch. and if there are no oldpatchservers up maybe you're the only one don't want that stuff so we could safely ignore your wishes. Not nice, but democratic.
Thanks.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346374 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 08:48 |
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As far as nuking goes...everyone associates the nuke on Nod's side with the SBH. However, it is far more deadly when covered by Artillery shelling or a Light/Stealth/Flame Tank (or even an APC)!
So: nukes have their place, especially when the opposing team is repairing a building heavily, as the presence of the beacon will often cause that support to break up (in my public play experience, I don't run around asking for pathetically small CWs). However, it is often NOT with an SBH.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346388 is a reply to message #346380] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 09:27 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 12:06 |
Indeed. Can all those CW.CC players going "OMG MY CLANWARS WILL FAIL!!!!" please remember there are people who play in public servers (and don't start your normal prejudiced atitude about publics, before I challenge you (just you) to take on a whole team of random public server players, for lols) and those who play in publics are easily the majority, even if we're less vocal, for the most part.
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don't make the mistake of assuming blly and nune actually know what they're talking about when they say a particular change will make clanwars 'fail'...
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346390 is a reply to message #346388] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 09:33 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 18:27 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 12:06 |
Indeed. Can all those CW.CC players going "OMG MY CLANWARS WILL FAIL!!!!" please remember there are people who play in public servers (and don't start your normal prejudiced atitude about publics, before I challenge you (just you) to take on a whole team of random public server players, for lols) and those who play in publics are easily the majority, even if we're less vocal, for the most part.
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don't make the mistake of assuming blly and nune actually know what they're talking about when they say a particular change will make clanwars 'fail'...
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yeah because you've played so many games in the past months.
in pubs too, get a sbh to nuke bar on walls fly on back corner farthest from pp and have an apache come in and its gg.
but you guys arent listening.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346393 is a reply to message #346390] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 09:38 |
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| blly wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 11:33 |
yeah because you've played so many games in the past months.
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and what does that prove? I've still got a better idea of how strategies in clanwars work than... pretty much anybody.
| blly wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 11:33 |
in pubs too, get a sbh to nuke bar on walls fly on back corner farthest from pp and have an apache come in and its gg.
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yes, I suppose that would be gg if GDI was dumb enough not to have any orcas or havocs.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346407 is a reply to message #346370] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 10:24 |
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noone forces you to install the patch. and if there are no oldpatchservers up maybe you're the only one don't want that stuff so we could safely ignore your wishes. Not nice, but democratic.
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first off you're wrong because the patch will autodownload when i try to get on xwis
that means the 2nd part of your post also makes no sense since everyone online will have the patch and a server not running it would neither exist nor be open for me to join
and renegade is a democracy? really?
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346409 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 10:25 |
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thats beyond retarded..
the PT on outside of buildings is one of the most obvious glitches in this game
isnt this a patch, to fix glitches
Wtf is that going to change in gameplay idiots?
GDI has always had the advantage to lay nukes at the end of strip ( a good walk, hard as hell to disarm), now nod can lay them at the back of barracks, and gdi actually has to walk for a tech instead of just refilling behind it
the only playesr i've seen complaining are complete idiots (except TD), this patch is trying to help this old ass game.. not hurt yuor gameplay
you'll all figure out new tactics, but to say you shouldnt fix the PT's on the outside of a building is fucking RE-TARDED, as its one of the biggest problems/glitches in renegade
right up there with bluescreening
GKl nailed it,.. the better players will still win the games.. you might have to SLIGHTLY adapt your tactics in a few situations, quit fucking flipping out over it
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346421 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 11:18 |
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Anyone who wants glitches to remain is only concerned with their own self-interest, and is therefore, a table-scrap pilfering grab-ass.
I find it hilarious how much opposition some people have against these fixes... it's a video game for Chrissake. If someone is actually half-decent at Renegade, they'll adapt to these changes.
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