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This is hardly getting anywhere. Still at the same spot as page one...
Put the entire point fix on.
Let the servers' "programmers" deal with their own adjustment schema. The give_money routine is there, use it.
That is basically what it came down to (even with the "half-pointfix" ideas, let them (their servers) deal with it). Win for TT (and EA part of it), and win for making unique / own server changes....
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342676 is a reply to message #342618] |
Wed, 23 July 2008 17:26 |
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Nobody that I know of has tried the pointsfix on a marathon server though. Adad seems to be OK with it, if he could just get his paws on a copy...(I spoke with him on MSN), also perhaps Yrr is running it on his marathon server...
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342687 is a reply to message #342568] |
Wed, 23 July 2008 20:51 |
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| Orca wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 06:57 |
what are you supposed to do in a situation when both teams have no Ref and you have like 20 people repairing a building getting hit by 1-2 tanks, you get like 10 credits every 5 minutes.
Of course Spoony will say something like you aren't helping your team or go rush their tanks with a flametrooper or some stupid shit like that, he can't help it he's British/gay but I still love him.
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and indeed, why wouldn't I say that? look at all the stuff you can do if you don't have credits... fix your teammates, attack light vehicles/infantry with a soldier, heal buildings, go sneak, or try to grenade/flame/remote the tanks.... oh no, you've gotta do the one thing which doesn't achieve anything and you weren't supposed to get money from, eh?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342725 is a reply to message #342676] |
Thu, 24 July 2008 06:58 |
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| =HT=T-Bird wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 01:26 |
Nobody that I know of has tried the pointsfix on a marathon server though. Adad seems to be OK with it, if he could just get his paws on a copy...(I spoke with him on MSN), also perhaps Yrr is running it on his marathon server...
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rencom marathon uses point fix, still gets a lot of players. It doesn't even has the best host nick
Imo point fix doesn't affect the amount of players... most of the time the host nick does. When I select a server I usually go on player numbers rather than what I know of the server modifications.
Tbh I would rather not have pointfix on cw servers but I really don't care that much to kick up a fuss about it.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342726 is a reply to message #342725] |
Thu, 24 July 2008 07:31 |
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| NuneGa wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 08:58 |
| =HT=T-Bird wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 01:26 |
Nobody that I know of has tried the pointsfix on a marathon server though. Adad seems to be OK with it, if he could just get his paws on a copy...(I spoke with him on MSN), also perhaps Yrr is running it on his marathon server...
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rencom marathon uses point fix, still gets a lot of players. It doesn't even has the best host nick
Imo point fix doesn't affect the amount of players... most of the time the host nick does. When I select a server I usually go on player numbers rather than what I know of the server modifications.
Tbh I would rather not have pointfix on cw servers but I really don't care that much to kick up a fuss about it.
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Thanks for pointing that out Nune. I'll see about dropping by there 
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342727 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 24 July 2008 07:41 |
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| Rocko wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 23:01 |
comparing the 2 versions of the game is like comparing pancakes and shit, i would not like to be forced to eat shit
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lmfao.
Anyways, I really hope TiT sticks with to their guns and makes this pointfix mandatory. Don't bow down to a couple stubborn Server Owners who have no good argument whatsoever of why to not implement. Please don't make pointfix an option... its already been tried in the Clanwars.cc league. If you give people the option, nobody will even try to use the pointfix because they're afraid of change/having to adjust their tactics. Make it mandatory, and I guarantee the bitching/crying/excuses will stop in about a month or less.
Remember that the version of the pointsfix that people have been using doesn't even have the 'jump out of tank' exploit fixed yet. Once that is fixed, you will be receiving more credits/points, since even if the person jumps out of that tank before it gets destroyed, you will still get the proper credits/points.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342762 is a reply to message #342725] |
Thu, 24 July 2008 12:59 |
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| NuneGa wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 08:58 |
Tbh I would rather not have pointfix on cw servers but I really don't care that much to kick up a fuss about it.
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if you're talking about the clanwars.cc league, it's going to be mandatory as soon as the vehicle-alignment modification is available with it.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342944 is a reply to message #342762] |
Sat, 26 July 2008 04:47 |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 20:59 |
| NuneGa wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 08:58 |
Tbh I would rather not have pointfix on cw servers but I really don't care that much to kick up a fuss about it.
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if you're talking about the clanwars.cc league, it's going to be mandatory as soon as the vehicle-alignment modification is available with it.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344168 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 31 July 2008 19:56 |
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Sorry to bump a slightly old topic, especially for a post asking people to assist me in being lazy, but... I've read a few pages total (not consecutively) of this thread, and I can't really see a compelling arguement for not making it optional. The deflection that there's no reason NOT to make it mandatory makes no sense - I don't see why anyone would ever want to take away a persons ability to choose anything, and the few people I can think of that have ever done so... well, they weren't good people.
Anyone care to give me the good reason(s) not to in a nutshell, please?
Thanks,
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344200 is a reply to message #344168] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 00:45 |
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| Gladiator wrote on Fri, 01 August 2008 04:56 |
Sorry to bump a slightly old topic, especially for a post asking people to assist me in being lazy, but... I've read a few pages total (not consecutively) of this thread, and I can't really see a compelling arguement for not making it optional. The deflection that there's no reason NOT to make it mandatory makes no sense - I don't see why anyone would ever want to take away a persons ability to choose anything, and the few people I can think of that have ever done so... well, they weren't good people.
Anyone care to give me the good reason(s) not to in a nutshell, please?
Thanks,
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For that, you'll need to read all 8 pages, tbh.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344245 is a reply to message #338417] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 07:50 |
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I agree with the idea of turning it off/on, that would be server side (maybe fds, ssgm, who knows), but basically if the server is setup to report to the newer BHS renladder (hosts->ip), then it is very easy for the ladder to refuse of accept information being directed to at, depending on whether something like Points_Fix = is set to 1 or 0.
This way the server wouldn't be forced to run it, but in any case I think they have to be given the choice. But because of that choice, they then decided whether or not they want their server ladder to report to the official bhs one, which is a fair compromise. And marathon servers give out toooo much ladder anyway, so fair is fair.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344601 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 03:01 |
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It's pointless, end of story. They no best, we don't. We're only the people who play in the server every day, representing the views of the regulars who play in there every day.
But hey, what the fuck do we know? We just get shit shoved down our throat, and told to like it..
Well when EA want to gauge the support of the patch, I hope they see this topic. We have more than enough support to lodge an argument.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344609 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 05:07 |
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What argument? All I see is about marathon games, and that could be fixed by getting x2 credits per point or add a +1 credit per second even on a dead refinery.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344620 is a reply to message #344601] |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 05:01 |
It's pointless, end of story. They no best, we don't. We're only the people who play in the server every day, representing the views of the regulars who play in there every day.
But hey, what the fuck do we know? We just get shit shoved down our throat, and told to like it..
Well when EA want to gauge the support of the patch, I hope they see this topic. We have more than enough support to lodge an argument.
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Wow..so your saying your community will attempt to block a MUCH NEEEDED patch for everyone, by creating problems at EA (who is already iffy tbh), just because 1 aspect of the patch doesn't appeal to you? Pretty cool jelly, never would have thought you'd say something like that, but times have changes I guess.
Ive seen marathon games last 6 hours, with the winners leaving with 1000 ladder points, im sure you've seen even higher, there's no way you can convince me that is what was intended to happen, I'd even go so far as to say thats exploiting the server setup..
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344625 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 06:59 |
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You're completely missing his point. He's saying we're being told what to think and how we want to play, and we have no say in it.
Like I said, there's utterly no reason not to make it optional.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344626 is a reply to message #344620] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 07:05 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 09:20 |
| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 05:01 |
It's pointless, end of story. They no best, we don't. We're only the people who play in the server every day, representing the views of the regulars who play in there every day.
But hey, what the fuck do we know? We just get shit shoved down our throat, and told to like it..
Well when EA want to gauge the support of the patch, I hope they see this topic. We have more than enough support to lodge an argument.
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Wow..so your saying your community will attempt to block a MUCH NEEEDED patch for everyone, by creating problems at EA (who is already iffy tbh), just because 1 aspect of the patch doesn't appeal to you? Pretty cool jelly, never would have thought you'd say something like that, but times have changes I guess.
Ive seen marathon games last 6 hours, with the winners leaving with 1000 ladder points, im sure you've seen even higher, there's no way you can convince me that is what was intended to happen, I'd even go so far as to say thats exploiting the server setup..
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The entire basis of c&c is basekill. Anyways his point is if this patch is for the renegade players they should be the ones that have a say and not simply be ignored. Yeah it's only one aspect of the patch so why is it so hard to compromise? Spoony is the only one who is listening imo.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344630 is a reply to message #344620] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 07:15 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 09:20 |
| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 05:01 |
It's pointless, end of story. They no best, we don't. We're only the people who play in the server every day, representing the views of the regulars who play in there every day.
But hey, what the fuck do we know? We just get shit shoved down our throat, and told to like it..
Well when EA want to gauge the support of the patch, I hope they see this topic. We have more than enough support to lodge an argument.
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Wow..so your saying your community will attempt to block a MUCH NEEEDED patch for everyone, by creating problems at EA (who is already iffy tbh), just because 1 aspect of the patch doesn't appeal to you? Pretty cool jelly, never would have thought you'd say something like that, but times have changes I guess.
Ive seen marathon games last 6 hours, with the winners leaving with 1000 ladder points, im sure you've seen even higher, there's no way you can convince me that is what was intended to happen, I'd even go so far as to say thats exploiting the server setup..
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You can get up to 700 ladder in a 40 min game on a 50 player server, in 40 mins. Add that up to the time you'd be in a marathon game. You'll find it's pretty much even.
I'm not saying we'd attempt to block the patch, why the fuck would we do that? I said we'd lodge an argument against the points fix being mandatory. Seeing as we have the biggest contingent of marathon players..
I'll re-word it shall I?
We offered to compromise by trialing the half points fix idea, we were willing to meet half way. The TT team decided to just throw that one out of the window and stop talking to us.
So, with the that in mind, and a complete unwillingness to meet us half way, and the fact we love the server how it is, why would we just sit down and get walked over?
Answer is, we won't. However we are still willing, and very interested in trialing the half points fix idea, and working with the TT team 100% if they choose to do so. I left the ball in their court..
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344647 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 09:14 |
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I can't speak officially for the TT team but from the discussions I had with some people from the team, I understood that they will probably go for a server side patch removing the point fix for that server, a bit like we currently have a server side patch instoring the point fix.
So to make that idea clear for everyone: the Ren FDS 1.038 would have point fix but you can install a .dll they will provide seperately which will allow you to inverse the effects of the point fix.
So officially the point fix will be in the TT patch for everyone but the server owner can decide to disable its effects through a .dll.
Even though there's no official statement on this yet, it's the most probable compromis.
I also don't like people taking the underdog position while they clearly have major advantages in the Renegade community that others don't have.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344651 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 10:13 |
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I've no idea what the underdog statement is about, pretty poitless really in the current situation.
It boils down to this, we love the server how it is. We want our server on the ladder. As it stands we're told that isn't possible. So we agree to trial an idea put forward by Spoony, which is rejected, and everything goes quiet.
We don't want to change gameplay in a very popular server, we have people that love how the games are played out as they are, what is so wrong with that?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344654 is a reply to message #344651] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 10:34 |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 19:13 |
I've no idea what the underdog statement is about, pretty poitless really in the current situation.
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It's the whole "they are forcing it upon us and we aren't listened at" which frankly isn't true: we've had 8 pages of people listening and trying to solve this problem either in an alternative way (alternative solutions) or by propositions of making this optional / server side changeable.
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It boils down to this, we love the server how it is. We want our server on the ladder. As it stands we're told that isn't possible. So we agree to trial an idea put forward by Spoony, which is rejected, and everything goes quiet.
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I got the impression that there is an opening for allowing server to not havet he point fix. You said yourself that it wouldn't really matter if those servers don't count or count differently for the ladder then:
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I still fail to see why it has to be mandatory, if a server owner wants to keep the game how it is, let them do so. If that then raises the question of servers being calculated different as regards to the main ladder, then add a stipulation that non-points fix servers will not count towards the ladder.
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We don't want to change gameplay in a very popular server, we have people that love how the games are played out as they are, what is so wrong with that?
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Nothing. A server side patch would make this possible, no?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #344655 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 10:39 |
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I'll break it down, again.
It has become evident that there could be a compromise on the issuse. We would like the server to stay on the ladder, of course. We thought that wouldn't be possible at first, hence the original comments about not competing. Since that point, things come to light, hence the potential change in direction.
That is still the case, as I've stated a few posts back. The general opion is we'd like the server on the ladder if possible. If not then OK. But we would be willing to try the half points fix.
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