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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339162 is a reply to message #338046] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 07:51   |
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Goztow
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Why should i allow you to use my nickname when I'm not playing, tbh?
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339179 is a reply to message #339171] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 10:43 |
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Goztow
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| Caveman wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 18:46 |
The last time I saw RR it only allowed verified serials from GSA/DC. I assume RR is going into this patch. So you will beable to ban via serials anyways.
Gozy I did say, if its not already taken...If you're that worried about your nick being used on servers then goto that server and register your nick.
If you do this the way you have your server currently setup.. Where DCers have to put a password and that password gets leaked to the public.. You will be back where you started.
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Not all server allow for registering your nickname and servers continuously change. So you find it easier for me to go register my nickname on a good 50 servers than for you to stick to max 9 nicks...
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339197 is a reply to message #338046] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 11:50 |
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Goztow
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That's not the point. If someone uses my nickname to cheat on a server or to let's say verbally abuse some moderators on that server, then people will not know it isn't me. Especially people that are less involved in the community.
And i just timed it: it takes me exactly 20 seconds to join my favorite server via xwis (from desktop to in server). I'm sure that's not much slower than gamespy, cause gamespy needs you to load its adds; though it might be a bit slower than dc.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339206 is a reply to message #338046] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 12:39 |
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You're going to be installing this patch, unless you want version mismatch. 
I think having a system by which the server regulator (BR, NR etc) requires a password per person who wishes to use DC. Given that those using DC will be settled into their community(s) and therefore will be on the appropiate IRC channel at least once, I think this is the best way forward. All you'd have to do is (Once, and once only) type something like "!registerdc Caveman YOURPASS" in a PM to the bot. Then, when you used DC, the client would have that pass in the command line option and give a hash to the server, so that the server can check it's really you. So long as no one gets your pass, your nick's safe, and the spoofers can't get it either (Qkick if not ID'd, and ban if they repeat the offence?)
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the hell is that?
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339262 is a reply to message #338046] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 14:39 |
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The existing DC mechanism is a total piece of crap anyhow. If at all possible, it should be reworked so that it works through XWIS (directly jumping to that server's channel and showing the prejoin screen if possible) instead of bypassing it completely. This will goof up those who use DC/GSA to bypass the XWIS nickname restrictions (is the 9-char limit on nicks WOLAPI's fault or the XWIS Server's fault?), though.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339295 is a reply to message #338046] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 15:13 |
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Goztow
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My guess is that it won't be changed because it'll be too hard to please everyone.
I'm gonna drop this discussion now, 'cause if people start saying adding an extra 15 seconds isn't worth their time to stop a lot of cheaters and nick spoofers, then I'm out of arguments against those people, really...
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339441 is a reply to message #338046] |
Mon, 07 July 2008 01:01 |
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Goztow
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@Caveman: I think I did see your point perfectly well. All you'd need to do is change your mIRC script to add something to it, which would take you 20 seconds one time.
I do agree, though, that as little as possible should be changed to the way people login, as it could cause more people to leave this game because they do not understand what's going on. So if changes were to be made, they should be introduced as gently and transparantly as possible.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339447 is a reply to message #338046] |
Mon, 07 July 2008 01:39 |
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From a player's point of view the only benefits of DC are saving like 30 seconds of your time and choosing any nick you want.
From a server admin's point of view letting players choose any nick they want every time they join is completely retarded and at the moment a major problem because of all the dumbass cheaters evading bans.
If it wasn't for the many people who are too damn lazy to log into xwis it would have been blocked a long time ago.
I've never understood the point of GSA either... Why download a 3rd party program when the game lets you join servers with the default installation? Seems pointless to me.
I've been informed by several people that I'm banned from a bunch of servers I have either not played on or have never even heard of. For me this isn't a problem, I don't care about my "reputation" and I play on very few servers; but, for people who play on various servers "namehackers" are a big problem for them.
I don't mind DC users and I'm not saying they should be blocked, but the current situation we're in isn't very good. There needs to be more limitations to who can use nicknames and a way to make serial banning a little better than useless.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339451 is a reply to message #339441] |
Mon, 07 July 2008 03:13 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 09:01 |
@Caveman: I think I did see your point perfectly well. All you'd need to do is change your mIRC script to add something to it, which would take you 20 seconds one time.
I do agree, though, that as little as possible should be changed to the way people login, as it could cause more people to leave this game because they do not understand what's going on. So if changes were to be made, they should be introduced as gently and transparantly as possible.
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Yeah all I need to do.. Im quite capable of editing the script I made to do this, However, I have people that use GSA/ASE etc.. where it doesn't have the option to add extra command lines so I would have to try and explain to them who could very well be computer illiterate like my brother how to edit the game exe path to add the extra code.. I don't fancy trying to do this to a complete computer newb. So now i've got a choice, either spend my time explaining to these people or lose my player count.
Make this DC blocker configurable so it can be turned off.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339460 is a reply to message #339451] |
Mon, 07 July 2008 06:20 |
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A possibility could perhaps be that when you use the "normal" (current) DC that you get a password screen just before you hop ingame. This system would automattically try to log you in at XWIS, without showing serverlistings etc. If your name is already taken, then you should just choose a different nick, no problem. Once done that, you can login easily with your name and pass either by changing your Directconnect to have a +password included, or by typing your password in.
This also ensures us serverowners that the serials are real, and a valid method of banning. And since they are real, there is no/less need for IP/nick banning, which can atm cause false bans.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339659 is a reply to message #339460] |
Tue, 08 July 2008 04:42 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 09:20 |
This also ensures us serverowners that the serials are real, and a valid method of banning. And since they are real, there is no/less need for IP/nick banning, which can atm cause false bans.
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I'm not really familiar with how GSA checks serials, if at all; would this block them from joining?
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339660 is a reply to message #338046] |
Tue, 08 July 2008 04:45 |
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The FDS used to check GSA serials, however the GSA database didn't get update anymore after 2003 (or something like that), so server owners had to patch the server to stop verifying serials for GSA players.
The xwis database IS updated, hence why it would be better to check serials of all players that join with that database.
This also stops the argument of "GSA if needed for people without a valid serial": GSA access was never ment to not verify serials.
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| Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339661 is a reply to message #338046] |
Tue, 08 July 2008 04:49 |
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So if I understand correctly, EvilWhiteDragon's method would cross-check GSA players' serial with the XWIS database to make sure it's valid?
If that's right this could solve so many problems we have 
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