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Re: Gun control [message #338786 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 03 July 2008 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eh, vigilante justice is a... uneasy discussion.

Its the real love-hate relationship, and a gamble. Under the right situations, it can be useful and right. However it is a very fine line between righteous vigilante justice and misplaced justice.

Did thieves deserve the death penalty? I don't think so. I do not believe Mr. Horn was right or just in his execution of the two thieves. This would be a great example of "vigilante justice" gone wrong.
Re: Gun control [message #338800 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 03 July 2008 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From Mr. Horn's accounts, he only shot at them once they started coming towards him.

Re: Gun control [message #338832 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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After he went out there looking for a fight.

He purposefully put himself into a dangerous situation, then used that as an excuse to fire.

The court may have excused the action, but it doesn't make it any less of the "bad" kind of vigilante justice.
Re: Gun control [message #338851 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They still came after him. So if an old lady is getting mugged, you can't step in and shoot the guy if he turns on you, then? How would that not be justified?

Re: Gun control [message #338854 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rescuing someone from danger is far different than rescuing items from theft.

However, if you wait until AFTER the mugging and go search for the people and confront them, then no - its just simply you putting yourself into danger when there is no dire need for it.
Re: Gun control [message #338873 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Personally, I see no difference in terms of one's life and one's property. As far as I'm concerned, they're one in the same in law. A crime is a crime, and all rights need to be upheld.

Re: Gun control [message #338876 is a reply to message #338873] Fri, 04 July 2008 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 15:18

Personally, I see no difference in terms of one's life and one's property. As far as I'm concerned, they're one in the same in law. A crime is a crime, and all rights need to be upheld.

i once killed a man for trying to steal my ipod.

the second amendment was put in place so that my people could wipe each other out


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Re: Gun control [message #338878 is a reply to message #338876] Fri, 04 July 2008 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rocko wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 16:38

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 15:18

Personally, I see no difference in terms of one's life and one's property. As far as I'm concerned, they're one in the same in law. A crime is a crime, and all rights need to be upheld.

i once killed a man for trying to steal my ipod

If this were true, I wouldn't see you as a criminal.


Re: Gun control [message #338879 is a reply to message #338873] Fri, 04 July 2008 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 14:18

Personally, I see no difference in terms of one's life and one's property. As far as I'm concerned, they're one in the same in law. A crime is a crime, and all rights need to be upheld.


So kill everyone who commits a crime?

edit: I highly doubt someone would agree to the RIAA sending hitmen after everyone who downloads a copyrighted song...

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Re: Gun control [message #338886 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Internet = Neutral. TYVM.

Re: Gun control [message #338925 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, I see...

So child pornography is ok with you.

Re: Gun control [message #338926 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it okay with me? Of course, it isn't, but you should know by now that my personal convictions don't have any bearing on my political views.

On the Internet, it's hard to want to say "yes" to allowing child porn, but the Internet is a neutral ground. It's like international waters. It's unfortunate that these things occur, but it's the price we pay for liberty.

I quoted this in the 'most hated' thread, but this certainly applies here now, "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson, of course.



Re: Gun control [message #338932 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 04 July 2008 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh, that's unfortunate.

Though people would love you in power. Identity theft, Copyrights/trademarks/patents theft, defamation etc. are all fair game for you so long at it takes place on the internet.

No such thing as crime, as long as it is on the internet... I love it!
Re: Gun control [message #340044 is a reply to message #337389] Wed, 09 July 2008 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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your typical gun owner

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Re: Gun control [message #340092 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 10 July 2008 05:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, AliG found a redneck in Arkansas. HE'S GOOD. Sarcasm

Re: Gun control [message #340131 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 10 July 2008 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, that's EXACTLY what EVERY gun control owner looks like, huh?

Just like how, y'know, every black person likes chicken and watermelon and never contributes to society.

I mean, I might aswell jump on the bandwagon of stupidity and generalization while we're at it, eh?


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Re: Gun control [message #340149 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 10 July 2008 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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show me someone who proudly brandishes their gun around who isn't a redneck and/or retard.

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Re: Gun control [message #340163 is a reply to message #337389] Thu, 10 July 2008 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Show me a black teenager that doesn't have saggy pants and likes the bullshit one calls "hip hop" and "rap".

Re: Gun control [message #340165 is a reply to message #340163] Thu, 10 July 2008 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 16:36

Show me a black teenager that doesn't have saggy pants and likes the bullshit one calls "hip hop" and "rap".


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Rocko wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 15:50

show me someone who proudly brandishes their gun around who isn't a redneck and/or retard.


Generalizing is bad man


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Re: Gun control [message #340327 is a reply to message #340163] Fri, 11 July 2008 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 22:36

Show me a black teenager that doesn't have saggy pants and likes the bullshit one calls "hip hop" and "rap".


Show me a American who isn't Christian and not patriotic.


Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
Re: Gun control [message #340329 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 11 July 2008 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not Christian, and what do you mean by "patriotic"? If you're talking about nationalism, then I'm not nationalist.

Re: Gun control [message #340333 is a reply to message #340329] Fri, 11 July 2008 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:26

I'm not Christian, and what do you mean by "patriotic"? If you're talking about nationalism, then I'm not nationalist.


I do think u care too much about flags and countries...otherwise you would not be nitpicking on honour.

Nationality and patriotism (lols) is based on where your parents did the deed...lols...sure does not mean you should be h8ing your country but you should not forget how you got there (parents deed lols).

On the Christian side though.,..can't imagine life as I know it without God...He keeps ME going.

I edited post.

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Re: Gun control [message #340337 is a reply to message #337389] Fri, 11 July 2008 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On the Christian side though.,..can't imagine life as I know it without God...He keeps ME going.

Religion is "parents deed" too O.o
Re: Gun control [message #340351 is a reply to message #340337] Fri, 11 July 2008 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Surth wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:51

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On the Christian side though.,..can't imagine life as I know it without God...He keeps ME going.

Religion is "parents deed" too O.o


Nope...even if no one told me about it, eventually I will figure out what gods to worship. It may not be the same God I worhsip nowm but some god. Sure, WHAT religion I am in now is based on parental influence. Not that hard to figure out...that is why ancinet people worhsip the sun and other natural things...they figured something must be there greater than them.

Of ALL of recoreded history, every human tribe under the sun worhsipped something...so your statement of "religion is parents deed" goes flying out the window lololsololol...! unless ofcourse, if it means specific religion.

It maybe chemicals in our brain that make us worship something but still the perfect symmetrical, SELF-SUFFICIENT design of our bodies is surely not the aftermath results of some big bang bang lmfao....

As for me, I am perfecttly ALLRIGHT with worhsiping God just as a Muslim is perfectly ALLRIGHT with worshiping Allah.


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pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:55

Surth wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:51

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On the Christian side though.,..can't imagine life as I know it without God...He keeps ME going.

Religion is "parents deed" too O.o

Of ALL of recoreded history, every human tribe under the sun worhsipped something...so your statement of "religion is parents deed" goes flying out the window lololsololol...! unless ofcourse, if it means specific religion.


yeah ok lol. Ignorant tribesmen and wild savages are the kind of people you would want to associate with as the type of people who find religion. I'd bet a million dollars that now because of true education and science that more people than before are atheist or agnostic.


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