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| Re: Political Compass [message #338030 is a reply to message #338025] |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 17:03 |
| GoArmy44 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 12:01 |
it is a paradise on earth.
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Especially for those that are forced to bear the weight of the poverty stricken. They just love having to not only support themselves, their families, but others, be it by their own fruit or an unfortunate consequence.
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Why do those people have to suffer? It's not their fault THEY couldn't get a job BECAUSE big corporations COULDN'T provide them with jobs, people drift to get work, but there's none, since people have to cut back to survive. (Then again, Canada had a Conservative government, who didn't even bother to help the people very much.)
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338034 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 09:26 |
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Yes, capitalism sucks. Socialism, communism, and so on suck even more. I'd rather go with what sucks the least.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338035 is a reply to message #338034] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 09:29 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 11:26 |
Yes, capitalism sucks. Socialism, communism, and so on suck even more. I'd rather go with what sucks the least.
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Socialism is the best if it works out, too bad it never does.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338038 is a reply to message #338036] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 09:33 |
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| Surth wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 11:30 |
Surthalism is definitely the best.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338051 is a reply to message #338034] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 09:52 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 12:26 |
Yes, capitalism sucks. Socialism, communism, and so on suck even more. I'd rather go with what sucks the least.
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Nah, Capitalism isn't perfect, but I love it nonetheless. The fact that consumers get to change the market is awesome. Plus, Capitalism rewards entrepreneurs. Socialism and Communism doesn't. In a Capitalist society, technology booms. In a Communist society, technology stays at a standstill because there is absolutely no incentive to increase productivity and produce technologies.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338055 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 10:03 |
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Is that why the Soviets sent the first man out to space? And Sputnik?
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338092 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 13:14 |
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This test is fundamentally flawed; it lacks several incredibly important issues such as free speech, the right to keep and bear arms, eminent domain, and the spread of bureaucracy- among other things. It cannot be sufficiently accurate without taking at least a majority of current issues in society into account. Additionally, the wording of some of the questions is somewhat ambiguous.
I would self-describe as a libertarian centrist. Whether I lean right or left depends heavily on the issue at hand, and my opinions are fairly evenly divided- which almost always lands me right smack in the middle of the road.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338133 is a reply to message #338130] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 17:47 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 11:52 |
In a Communist society, technology stays at a standstill because there is absolutely no incentive to increase productivity and produce technologies.
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 21:52 |
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Is that why the Soviets sent the first man out to space? And Sputnik?
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1. They had competition... America.
2. Soviet nuclear missiles were big and clunky, and they needed more powerful rockets to launch them, so it wasn't too hard for them to adapt their big rockets for space exploration.
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If you don't know, then don't post.
What you said before only applies to Communism in theory: if the basic need is fulfilled, then there is no need to immediately improve it. But Communist leaders Lenin and Mao each adapted their policies to better work with the environment they had. Nothing can be applied right from the text book. Your first quote applies only to theoretical Communism...it cannot be applied to the Communism practiced by the Soviet Union.
Your second post is total BS...atleast attempt to learn history. The Soviet Union had a successful military and space program in place while the United States was still hunting after Nazi rocketery engineers to fill it's own ranks with the secret Operation Paperclip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
How the heck do you think the US even came close to motivating the Soviet Union to push ahead?
National Interest/Project 63 - "Project to help former Nazis obtain jobs with Lockheed, Martin Marietta, North American Aviation or other defense contractors during a time when many American engineers in the aircraft industry were being laid off."
So it was the other way around! Sputnik 1 stunned the West especially America. It was only then the US took noticed and hurried along. By that time, the former Nazi scientist under Adolf Hitler, Wernher von Braun, was already working for America making missiles.
He (a German ex-Nazi) was the one who was head engineer of the American Saturn V rocket that took Americans to the moon.
And your knowledge of Soviet missile technology...even basic rocketry...sucks so bad I am not even going to honour it with a educated reply.
| GoArmy44 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 19:26 |
What did the Soviet Space Program create that helped the ordinary populace?
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Why don't you ask what did the Soviet space program create that helped and helps the whole world today? lol? The rest of your post is prejudiced, ill-informed BS.
The Soviet space program sent space vehicles to Venus and taking photographs.
The Soviet space program was the first to send data to and from outer space to a Soviet-made satellite in orbit. The Soviets pretty much are responsible for the advancement of communicaion sattelites that now circle the globe braodcasting TV, radio, and cellphones signals because they proved it can be done. Talk about your BS, man!
They also developed the first 24/7 manned space station (MIR). Soviet/Russian experience in building space stations serve very well today with the International Space Station.
| Cabal8616 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 19:10 |
I think about the only thing that the Soviet Union contributed positivly was maybe competition for the USA, so we'd work a bit more towards various things. Otherwise, I really don't see too many SUPER DUPER AWESOME HOLY SHIT amazing things that have come out of it.
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lol...I can go on. Just lower your arrogance, read some history, and respect your enemy.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338134 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 18:00 |
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How can that not apply to the Soviet Union? IT FUCKING HAPPENED. Perhaps I'll send to you, in a PM, the chapter of Neal Boortz's book that talks about his trip to soviet Russia. Talk about low productivity and lack of interest in improving.
Oh, and tell the Cubans they're at the forefront of technology.
Why don't you actually try to fucking understand what I was talking about in terms of having the US as competition? I didn't say America forced them to hurry up. I was merely remarking on the fact that two world powers emerged from the ruins of WWII. That was America and Russia. With Stalin running the country, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to see that he forced his scientists to produce new technologies to stay ahead of America, in order to be the largest super power. The new technologies weren't created out of a Communist society. They were created out of desperation to not be killed by Stalin.
Don't honor (you're an American, you smug asshole, spell like one) my "lack of" understanding, then.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338140 is a reply to message #338135] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 19:54 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
How can that not apply to the Soviet Union? IT FUCKING HAPPENED. Perhaps I'll send to you, in a PM, the chapter of Neal Boortz's book that talks about his trip to soviet Russia. Talk about low productivity and lack of interest in improving.
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Did he meet the highest minds of the Soviet state? He talked to the well guarded space engineers and scientists? Civil engineers? We are talking about the brightest minds in Russia who were enslaved under the centralized command economy and that kept them from doing what they wanted.
Communism (in Russia) allowed all invention and innovation from it's engineers and scientists but it (the Communist Party) had the final say in what they wanted to be implemented. They controlled the funds and they controlled the lives.
So, it was not like they were all lazy sloppy rats who were content with what they had. They had most things on the table but only the innovation the state wanted was allowed to progress to a protoype stage. This is why you see a massive influence in Soviet military R&D. That was the prime concern of the state; defense. You will also see that more technological strides were made after Stalin's death.
But they applied regular communist idealogy when it comes to dealing with their citizens. For example the Lada cars. A imported/bundled up car that was worse than a donkey (atleast did not crap) but it fulfilled the needs to getting from point A to point B and therefore did not need to be improved. If they were not being uptight like that, we would have seen more advances in the civilian sector.
Look at what Russians are capable of (and were always capable of) when all the rules and bans in imagination was lifted:
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/03/lada_c_geneva.JPG
They could and would have done the same under Soviet times as they always had the talent but the state was not interested in fancy things.
No wonder Boortz came back with a stark report...probably saw the hopeless citizens who was working at the same factory for 30 years with no change to their pathetic lives.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
Oh, and tell the Cubans they're at the forefront of technology.
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The Cubans were, are, and will be rats. They never had and never will get access to any resources nor do they have a productive infrastructure to showcase their talents (if they got any).
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
Why don't you actually try to fucking understand what I was talking about in terms of having the US as competition?
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I did not see it in any other way.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
I didn't say America forced them to hurry up.
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But you said, or atleast pressed the point that American pressure (competitive or otherwise) made them to churn out new technologies.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
I was merely remarking on the fact that two world powers emerged from the ruins of WWII. That was America and Russia. With Stalin running the country, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to see that he forced his scientists to produce new technologies to stay ahead of America, in order to be the largest super power. The new technologies weren't created out of a Communist society. They were created out of desperation to not be killed by Stalin.
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The Soviets always saw themselves as the leaders of Europe. They had ambitions to extend Russian territory to the Atlantic (a lofty dream).
Stalin wanted Soviet Russia to become the greatest power in Europe. Don't forget the guy was paranoid to a degree that had affected no man before and after him. The loss the Soviets suffered was great during the war...he wanted to make sure the Soviets would never suffer like that again at the hand of the enemy. The land the Soviets grabbed was key to creating protective buffer states.
To protect and most importantly, keep control, over these new buffer states, the Soviets had no choice but to increase their already big military...in case to crush oppositions. Then the Cold War came because 2 giants realized to themselves that another giant as big as itself lived nearby...hence the invitable rivalry.
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 20:00 |
Don't honor (you're an American, you smug asshole, spell like one) my "lack of" understanding, then.
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I threw that in deliberately.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338142 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 20:04 |
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I never was doubting Russian ingenuity. My whole problem with Communism is that it stifles productivity because once you have the bare necessities, you don't go any further without any incentive, and to give the people any monetary or materialistic incentive would then upset the equality.
I just like the idea of reaping what I sow. I should be able to have the option to work 3 jobs, bring in a 6-figure income, and spend that money as I please.
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| Re: Political Compass [message #338144 is a reply to message #337925] |
Sun, 29 June 2008 20:10 |
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I've had the misfortune of driving post-Glasnost Lada.
Drive one yourself, and it'll be easy to see why Communism sucks.
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