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So basically, 3 robbers broke into a guys house. The homeowner got a gun, and the 3 guys ran away. As they ran away, he shot 2 of them in the back and killed them.
Here's the fucked-up part - The robber that didn't get shot to death, they charged HIM with murder! Do you think this is fair?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311894,00.html
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LAKEPORT, Calif. — Three young black men break into a white man's home in rural Northern California. The homeowner shoots two of them to death — but it's the surviving black man who is charged with murder.
homeowner Shannon Edmonds opened fire Dec. 7 after three young men rampaged through the Clearlake house demanding marijuana and brutally beat his stepson. Rashad Williams, 21, and Christian Foster, 22, were shot in the back. Hughes fled.
Hughes was charged with first-degree murder under California's Provocative Act doctrine, versions of which have been on the books in many states for generations but are rarely used.
The Provocative Act doctrine does not require prosecutors to prove the accused intended to kill. Instead, "they have to show that it was reasonably foreseeable that the criminal enterprise could trigger a fatal response from the homeowner,"
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297078 is a reply to message #297061] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 03:51  |
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| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 00:52 |
Right, but should the surviving robber be charged with the double-murder of his buddies who got shot?
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assuming he was the one who organised the robbery, yes 100%, if that's the case he put them in the position where their lives were at risk, hope he rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297082 is a reply to message #297063] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 05:10 |
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| Goztow wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 00:35 |
| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 07:52 |
Right, but should the surviving robber be charged with the double-murder of his buddies who got shot?
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If he organised the whole thing... he should at least have shared responsibility for the murder, yes.
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Who said he organized it? It was just 3 potheads looking to steal some medical marijuana and things got out of hand. How is any 1 of the guys responsible for the death of the other two?
Using your logic, I'm driving a car with you and someone else riding along. A truck comes and hits us head-on, killing me and our buddy, and they charge YOU with our deaths...does that make sense?
Like I said in most states you are allowed to shoot and kill trespassers in your home, and I would be fine if he had shot and killed all 3 of them...but it just makes no sense that just because one of them survived, to charge him with the MURDER of his friends. He was running for his life, he didn't murder anyone!
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Fri, 16 November 2007 08:12 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 14:38 |
The surviving robber should be charged with attempted robbery. End of. The honme-owner did nothing wrong, although I personally wouldn't have killed them, just shot them in the leg.
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Agree, that's really messed up, like would YOU end someone else's life because they stole your "property" ? Your stuff can be replaced, not a life. But, if only shot them in the leg, like Carrier said, then it would be ok as a warning. If the robber gets charged and put in prison...wow then US laws are more messed up than I thought. (lol, Canada has a law which you can't buy anything more than 25 Cents all in pennies.  )
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297103 is a reply to message #297089] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 08:26 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 08:38 |
The surviving robber should be charged with attempted robbery. End of. The honme-owner did nothing wrong, although I personally wouldn't have killed them, just shot them in the leg.
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At night, while you have a rush of adrenaline? If you hit their legs, great, but if you're firing at someone who broke into your home, beat up your stepson, and you're scared for yourself and your family, you're going to shoot at them and hit them whatever way you can. What's the easiest to hit? The upper body. Where were they shot? The upper body.
Edit: To all of those who feel that a life is more important than stuff, I agree. However, you forget one thing... the robbers were impeding on someone else's rights by trespassing on their property, they over-stepped their legal boundaries, and a person has the right to do WHATEVER THEY PLEASE to protect their home. While, the government has laid out some restrictions on that, which I feel are wrong, homeowners still are well within legal rights (and rightfully so) to use lethal force when they feel threatened.
I'm glad you people aren't in my country.
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Fri, 16 November 2007 08:28 |
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| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 06:10 |
Using your logic, I'm driving a car with you and someone else riding along. A truck comes and hits us head-on, killing me and our buddy, and they charge YOU with our deaths...does that make sense?
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You're comparing a traffic accident with a robbery? I don't think I have to tell you that that doesn't make any sense.
If you're drunk, yes it does make sense. If you're driving recklessly, either because you think it's fun or you're trying to hit someone, yes it does make sense.
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Not only did you immaturely edit what J_Ball said in your quote. But you fucking got in the irony truck and drove it straight off a cliff.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 23 October 2007 12:04 |
California burns down every year. I think it's part of nature's cycle.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297119 is a reply to message #297082] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 09:18 |
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| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 06:10 |
Using your logic, I'm driving a car with you and someone else riding along. A truck comes and hits us head-on, killing me and our buddy, and they charge YOU with our deaths...does that make sense?
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the "you" in your scenario isn't breaking the law, let alone "rampaging through a house" and "brutally beating his stepson"
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None of that makes sense. I wish every country would just get laws straight....If they are in your home illegally with intent (any intent, whether assault, rape or robbery) you should legally be allowed to do whatever to secure your property and the safety of all those involved.
I disagree with charging someone for murder if that person did not "Pull the trigger" for lack of a better term. Because it isn't by the definition of 1st degree murder, 1st degree murder so why the fuck is he being charged with it? Doesn't matter if he is black, white, pink, blue or green with red stripes.....same thing goes for the "victims"
Some laws both in the USA and here in the UK impeach on basic human rights IMO. 
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297159 is a reply to message #297158] |
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| Jecht wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 13:32 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 07:38 |
The surviving robber should be charged with attempted robbery. End of. The honme-owner did nothing wrong,...
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I agree with this.
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um, and assault?
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...and brutally beat his stepson
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