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Stealth Tanks within 5 years [message #294163]

Thu, 01 November 2007 11:01

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id =490669&in_page_id=1811

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New technology that can make tanks invisible has been unveiled by the Ministry of Defence.

In secret trials last week, the Army said it had made a vehicle completely disappear and predicted that an invisible tank would be ready for service by 2012.

A soldier, who was at the trials, said: "This technology is incredible. If I hadn't been present I wouldn't have believed it. I looked across the fields and just saw grass and trees - but in reality I was staring down the barrel of a tank gun."

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Thu, 01 November 2007 11:22

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Wtf is Jabber? Rofl.

England ftw!

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Re: Stealth Tanks within 5 years [message #294167 is a reply to message #294165]

Thu, 01 November 2007 11:48

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There is still a lot of work to do. They have to downsize the camera/projection equipment and make them smaller and more reliable under field conditions.

Also, this breakthrough will make military industries worldwide to enhance existing IR systems making them better to combat the threat of an invisible tank.

Then there's the challenge of reducing the operating noise of the tank. Then comes the problem of dealing with visual cues (threadmarks). And they have to test it in adverse weather conditions and see how it affects the cloaking technology.

So a lot of work needs to be done so don't expect a fully functional, cost effective, and mass-production ready version until 15-20 or more years into the future.

But nevertheless, it's a fine achievement.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 13:35

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Also, this breakthrough will make military industries worldwide to enhance existing IR systems making them better to combat the threat of an invisible tank.

I wouldn't think they would need a drastic improvement...for todays tanks and armored vehicles the main mode of visual identification of other enemy armor is IR(even in the daytime)...so even if the tank was invisible to our eyes...the tankers would still be able to see it quite clearly.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 13:44

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Thank goodness for radar.

Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 12:48

And they have to test it in adverse weather conditions and see how it affects the cloaking technology.

LOL, a snow flake floats in front of the camera and makes it look like a giant snowflake.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 13:47

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Thu, 01 November 2007 13:56

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Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 14:48

There is still a lot of work to do. They have to downsize the camera/projection equipment and make them smaller and more reliable under field conditions.

Also, this breakthrough will make military industries worldwide to enhance existing IR systems making them better to combat the threat of an invisible tank.

Then there's the challenge of reducing the operating noise of the tank. Then comes the problem of dealing with visual cues (threadmarks). And they have to test it in adverse weather conditions and see how it affects the cloaking technology.

So a lot of work needs to be done so don't expect a fully functional, cost effective, and mass-production ready version until 15-20 or more years into the future.

But nevertheless, it's a fine achievement.

I'm sure they've addressed all of your concerns. A government military (unless they're North Korea) isn't going to come out and give an estimate on when the equipment will be able to see service time and not be able to back it up. I'm sure they know a bit more than you do. I'm not saying that you're wrong because it's very possible they're overestimating their progress, however, I'm sure their estimate of 5 years is much closer than your guess.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 14:02

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wat country is this in? god....think about another 50 years...

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Thu, 01 November 2007 14:03

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wat country is this in? god....think about another 50 years...

I think it's England. They mentioned the Ministry of Defense.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 14:05

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Wow, Red Alert 2 predicted the future. The Allied Mirage tank was rather obviously based on the Challenger.

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I mean, OK, it doesn't exactly work the same way, but if they tested it in front of a tree it would... Wink

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:17

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Heh, I've already been through this, I imagine if you looked through IR goggles or whatever at it, it would just be a huge blur, and draw loads of attention to itself. Still a cool idea though.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:22

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We can't even get our microwaves to melt Cheez Whiz properly, and they want to build invisible tanks?...

There are so many ways that this can go wrong...

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:25

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Why are you trying to microwave Cheez Whiz?

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:34

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Jecht wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 16:25

Why are you trying to microwave Cheez Whiz?

It tastes great on baked potato's, along with spicy paprika, and sliced onion bits.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:40

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nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 16:34

Jecht wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 16:25

Why are you trying to microwave Cheez Whiz?

It tastes great on baked potato's, along with spicy paprika, and sliced onion bits.

Ugh I HATE cheez Whiz. Off topic :V

I wonder if they are going to make a Mammoth Tank :/ But for real...It's too slow and vulnerable to RPG,Missile Fire.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 15:46

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sadukar09 wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 16:40

Ugh I HATE cheez Whiz. Off topic :V

I normally hate it too. But I just got sick and tired of just margarine or sour cream, and it doesn't help that I have had to up my starch intake.

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Re: Stealth Tanks within 5 years [message #294243 is a reply to message #294233]

Thu, 01 November 2007 17:48

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so if we get stanks we must be Nod.... its all falling into place, Kane must also be British as all the best bad guys are always British. WOOHOO to the brotherhood of the UK

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Thu, 01 November 2007 18:26

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The IR systems don't really matter that much. It would still take someone with a keen eye or automated systems set up to cover your position from all angles to see it coming. I doubt they're even shooting for tanks they can park in the woods and never find again.

Then you have to think about who these tanks will be combatting. It's been over 60 years since two superpowers faught each other. The liklihood of these being used against an enemy with any sort of sophisticated equipment is low. The taliban can't shoot RPGs at what they can't see.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 20:04

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nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 17:22

We can't even get our microwaves to melt Cheez Whiz properly, and they want to build invisible tanks?...

There are so many ways that this can go wrong...

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Thu, 01 November 2007 20:10

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A mirage tank is much more realistic than a stealth tank. Which is what this tank sounds to be like.

However, putting this technology on a tank, although cool, and could benefit an army, I believe it would be better suited for infantry use.

Or maybe just sniper use. It would be cheaper to make, seeing as you would only need to have it invisible from the front side. Snipers would be able to stay in one spot for longer, and also be able to get close to enemies without being seen.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 20:18

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razorblade001 wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 22:10

A mirage tank is much more realistic than a stealth tank. Which is what this tank sounds to be like.

However, putting this technology on a tank, although cool, and could benefit an army, I believe it would be better suited for infantry use.

Or maybe just sniper use. It would be cheaper to make, seeing as you would only need to have it invisible from the front side. Snipers would be able to stay in one spot for longer, and also be able to get close to enemies without being seen.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 20:34

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Wtf is Jabber? Rofl.

jimmyny wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 18:48

so if we get stanks we must be Nod.... its all falling into place, Kane must also be British as all the best bad guys are always British. WOOHOO to the brotherhood of the UK

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Thu, 01 November 2007 21:06

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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 14:56

I'm sure they've addressed all of your concerns.

Usually in the military world, the term "addressed" translates to having a fully functional prototype that "addresses" or solves most concerns that were raised during concept stage. So, in that regard, your statement is not true. However, it is completely logical to think that the engineers have carefully thought out the challenges they will face as the project matures.

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A government military (unless they're North Korea) isn't going to come out and give an estimate on when the equipment will be able to see service time and not be able to back it up.

Picking on North Korea definitely highlights your deep insightful knowledge in military technology. Sarcasm

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No offense cheese.
EVERY nation in the history of modern warfare has had delays in some of the most prestigious military projects. Cost overruns, design stalemate, political opposition are some of the factors that cause delays. In most cases, they are eventually overcome but that does not mean it will be a "walk in the park." And this British project will most surely experience those.

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I'm sure they know a bit more than you do.

Agreed. But do you agree that someone who has been closely and enthustically following military developments in Western nations is slightly more knowledgeble than the general population?

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I'm not saying that you're wrong because it's very possible they're overestimating their progress, however, I'm sure their estimate of 5 years is much closer than your guess.

I did not guess. My educated estimate is based on recent military development history.

Look nowhere other than the prestigious American Land Warrior program! Here was a concept that stood to utilize futuristic electronics and gadgets making a single soldier into a well-informed cyborg. You know what happened to the utter shock of the military community?

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So there you go...you NEVER know when a problem will arise and when it does, especially in the military-industrial complex, you better have the time, the money, the patience of the military, and the politicians (politicians = money) on your side.

The Land Warrior program is the best and most recent example of the massive challenges involved in developing and mass producing new concepts and technology.

To say that the British invisible tank will be a 5 year walk in the park hinges on blind ignorance.

Either way, we will see who is right in 5 years. I bet 15 years minimum. Thumbs Up

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Thu, 01 November 2007 21:10

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nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 01 November 2007 18:22

We can't even get our microwaves to melt Cheez Whiz properly, and they want to build invisible tanks?...

There are so many ways that this can go wrong...

Try Velveeta, It will melt properly....and stay away from cheese in a can.

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Thu, 01 November 2007 23:03

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if britain actually uses this people will just call em stealth n00bs
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