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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292643 is a reply to message #292608] |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 12:38 |
Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect.
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Are you talking about a hypothetical war in Iran? Or are you speaking of Iraq? Because if we get out of Iraq the few thousands of soldiers that died would have died in vain. We need to stick with it, which we are doing as of right now.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292656 is a reply to message #292648] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 13:40 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:25 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:13 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 12:38 |
Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect.
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Are you talking about a hypothetical war in Iran? Or are you speaking of Iraq? Because if we get out of Iraq the few thousands of soldiers that died would have died in vain. We need to stick with it, which we are doing as of right now.
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Well, the thing is we also need to know if there ever will be peace in Iraq and if the strategy will work out. While it is important to finish what has been started and make the sacrifices of many mean something, we also have to bear in mind the reality of the situation.
I am skeptical of the possibility of a stable Iraq.
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@ Sn1per74 - Was talking about the hypothetical war in Iran. Iraq has been there for 80 years and they were living by their means for that all that time without big johnny america telling them what to do.
@ StarBuzz and Sn1per74 - Everyone said the same thing about Vietnam but pulling out early was the best thing we could have done.. Everyone was bitching that we were leaving before the job was done but in the end their government settled their own crap and in reality our "Police Action" just made thing a hell of a lot worse.
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| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292658 is a reply to message #292656] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 13:50 |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292661 is a reply to message #292658] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 13:58 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer.
Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in.
It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292663 is a reply to message #292661] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 14:07 |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer.
Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in.
It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
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You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated.
The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday.
It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292665 is a reply to message #292663] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 14:12 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer.
Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in.
It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
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You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated.
The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday.
It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society.
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A) Schools were not closed during the depression.
B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college.
C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292668 is a reply to message #292665] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 14:19 |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:12 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer.
Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in.
It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
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You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated.
The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday.
It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society.
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A) Schools were not closed during the depression.
B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college.
C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam.
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You need better info.
Just because low ASVAB slackers APPLY to the military, that doesn't mean they make it through training. And if they do, they CHANGE.
When they come home talk with them and see the difference in them. You'll understand.
During the depression, children were kept home to help with the farms and work in factories to put bread on the table. There was no PTA, Truancy board and certainly kids weren't CHOOSING to stay home. Life was hard and people died. Education was a luxury to the rich.
Do I seem like a bumpkin? Because when I joined I was EXACTLY what you describe. Now I'm an analyst for a fortune 500.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292708 is a reply to message #292691] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 17:20 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:00 |
Alot of British people always talk bad about us, why? We like yall and we think you guys are a great ally. Why not like us too?
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Remember when I said this?
| BartGg wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 18:04 |
LOL you faggot man.. you care about spelling way to much.. people have typos.. Whoop tee fucking doo... kinda shows your a geek.
You " A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S " are so fucking dumb
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Point proven.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292712 is a reply to message #292668] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 17:34 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:19 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:12 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 17:07 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:58 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:50 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 15:40 |
| KIRBY-098 wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 16:31 |
| Surth wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 21:17 |
who says that you wont loose some 1000 more soldiers, if you stay?
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We will. But that's their job and they volunteered for that exposure to the possibility of death to help others.
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Thats very true but eventually they will run out of people from Alabama/Backwoods and they will start looking at us and a draft reinstatement.
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Excuse me? Your assumption of the military as backwoods uneducated bumpkins with no hope for a real job is 100% incorrect and insulting.
Those people are the best moral spectrum of our society, and understand the concept of sacrifice to make life better. The very concept that you being drafted is an upgrade is ludicrous.
Without us bumpkin lowlifes you retarded "elite" children wouldn't be leisurely typing away "sharing your wisdom". You'd be speaking russian/japanese/german and working a labor camp.
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The average front line soldier in WW2 had a third grade reading and writing level. Everyone else was put to use as an engineer/strategist/officer.
Regardless of education in the event of another WW the only test that will be conducted is an XRay. If your bones show, your in.
It's not a matter of whom joins and what their background is...I'm just talking statistics.
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You're talking out of your ass. Remember that the entire population at that time was coming out of the depression era and the population as a whole was uneducated.
The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector. Military leadership traits at all levels are highly desired and employers prefer veterans over video game playing slackers anyday.
It takes FAR more than an XRAY to get in. I recommend going through the fitering process and boot camp and see if you aren't whining by day one. These soldiers are tough, smart and valuable to society.
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A) Schools were not closed during the depression.
B) Every person in my Highschool that signed up with the military was either about to flunk out or didn't have the grades to get into college.
C) Was a social commentary on the WW2 medical exam.
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You need better info.
Just because low ASVAB slackers APPLY to the military, that doesn't mean they make it through training. And if they do, they CHANGE.
When they come home talk with them and see the difference in them. You'll understand.
During the depression, children were kept home to help with the farms and work in factories to put bread on the table. There was no PTA, Truancy board and certainly kids weren't CHOOSING to stay home. Life was hard and people died. Education was a luxury to the rich.
Do I seem like a bumpkin? Because when I joined I was EXACTLY what you describe. Now I'm an analyst for a fortune 500.
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I see. Since you are one of the exceptions to the usual then all people who join the army must be secret geniuses who wouldn't even need to join the military, just that they wanted to.
and bartG wow are you a retard.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292721 is a reply to message #292464] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 19:19 |
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That's a lie, Iran supported the coalition that toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan and told it's allies in the region to do so.
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Well Bush will soon be out of office and hopefully the next person in charge will not allow this or recall it if the war was already in affect.
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Not going to happen, the neo-conseratives have been pulling the strings since Ronald Reagan.
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Well, the thing is we also need to know if there ever will be peace in Iraq and if the strategy will work out. While it is important to finish what has been started and make the sacrifices of many mean something, we also have to bear in mind the reality of the situation.
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It's going to take at least a decade for the US to install a puppet government functionally enough to make it look like it can stand on it's own without US support.
The neo-cons could hardly care about their troops sacrifices, all they care about is building a war base in which to bully other European countries to enrich their fatass pockets, they don't care about Iraqis at all.
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I look at a Soldier as being a better citizen than I. It doesn't matter if I have more education or not.
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Except now there are gangs in the military.
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The military in a peacetime volunteer role is a BETTER educated force than the populace at general, and quite frequently use the military to get education to move into the private sector.
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Not right now, the army's taking anyone they can get their hands on because they're streched to the breaking point in Iraq.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292722 is a reply to message #292464] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 19:20 |
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| prasp wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 22:09 |
The White House keeps on changing the reason on why the want to attack Iran. First they said Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons, even though Iran doesn't have the necessary infrastructure to support the development of a A-bomb. Now they're saying that Iran is supporting insurgents attacking it's troops in Iraq, even though last year it was generally agreed on that the US is caught in a civil war in Iraq and Iran is responsible for only about 4% of the attacks on its troops.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2184077,00.html
The really reason why it wants to invade Iran is because Israel is afraid of Iran replacing it as the superpower in the Middle East.
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Well, that is what they are saying. The real reason is because the US is trying its best to be the world's "International Peace Keepers."
Of course many people would like the US to pull out of the war like that *snaps fingers*, but that just wont happen. Do you realize how bad that would make the US look? To go in, mess around with the government, help in a war, and then just pull out without finishing things? It doesn't matter if there is any more positive gain for the US now, the point is we can't pull out until the job is done.
That is like borrowing money from someone, then while earning money to pay them back, you just quit and don't give them back what you borrowed... you just can't do that.
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| Re: Why the US really wants to go to war with Iran [message #292725 is a reply to message #292464] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 19:30 |
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Well, that is what they are saying. The real reason is because the US is trying its best to be the world's "International Peace Keepers."
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The last tried they tried that, corpses of dead American soldiers were abused in Mogadishu.
Believe me, with the new-imperialist president reject (that bought his way into the White House with daddy's money) and his advisors with him, peace is the last thing that is on the government's mind.
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